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Comments (52)
Undisclosed Manufacturer #1
I find it hard to believe that Hikvision would be able to put police force / court against IPVM employees and even if they can, it would be a much larger PR crisis and huge backfire on themselves.
Hardly a successful company would harm one's own business just to 'retaliate'. Let alone the uselessness of this 'retaliation' and even if they want, they can't.
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Undisclosed Manufacturer #3
I don't think the implication that was meant (at least I hope not) was that Hik would have an arrest warrant put out on IPVM staff. I think what would be more likely would be the government would do so of their own accord due to the criticisms, but that would probably only be when someone at Hik tipped them off. The government has pretty big fish to fry already and IPVM is just a small minnow. Even though I'm sure the staff have their names on a list somewhere now, as all of us probably do.
I think the possibly of them being picked up would have been extremely low. But with even a 1 out of 20 chance of being picked up, in a foreign country with a far different viewpoint of due process than we have, is an understandable concern.
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Undisclosed Integrator #4
If Undisclosed Manufaturer #1 is Undisclosed how does John know who wrote what. Not so undisclosed after all......
Hikvision and Dahua had the same size booth going by the floor plan. Fact
Hikvision booth highlighted in Red (1 of only 3 in Hall 1 others being Seagate & 3onedata). Note Dahua not highlighted on the CPSE 2017 Guide Map. Fact.
Hikvision banner by far the biggest banner hanging from the hall roof. Dahua didn't even have one as far as I could see. Fact.
Unable to see much of Hikvision's booth it was so jammed packed ALL the time. Fact.
Donald Trump and his Fake News must be spreading
waiting, waiting, waiting
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Undisclosed #5
Please tell me that’s the aspect ratio, not the price!
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Undisclosed Integrator #4
Sorry to those that told me not to post you were right.
Facts are facts but only If not wearing USA glasses
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Undisclosed Distributor #6
I went to the show to both see existing suppliers & look for new products. Both parts of the trip were OK. A few things
1/ Booth babes, booth babes everywhere
2/ Loud - so many stands blasting music etc
3/ A lot of consumer orientated products.
4/ Trip hazards everywhere, have they not heard of overhead power leds
5/ Did anyone else notice the chained closed fire doors?
6/ AI & facial recognition were the 'themes' of the CCTV hall
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Undisclosed Manufacturer #7
Here are a few few photos of the show floor. I would say, for me, that the single most impressive (and surprising) thing was the SCALE and incredible attendance of the show.
Another poster mentioned that he thought the Dahua booth was bigger than the HIKVision booth - I have no idea how he could tell once on the show floor. They were both massive booths. And it was practically impossible, at least in the first 2 days, to spend any kind of quality time inside those booths without being shoved and pushed around by the sheer number of visitors.
If we compare to ISC West in Vegas, the major difference is in the number of visitors: 130,000 for CPSE and 30,000 for ISC West.
If you cram all those people into approximately the same number of booths (1100 for CPSE and 1000 for ISC), then you can understand what you see in these photos:
This is inside the Dahua booth. It was as busy outside the booth:
This is outside the HIKVison booth. It was as busy inside the booth:
This is the corridor you faced as you entered the show floor. HIK, Dahua and Uniview were all in this corridor. It was uncomfortable walking in this crowd, there were simply too many people:
These are a few photos from the top of the escalators leading to the 2nd floor:
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Undisclosed Manufacturer #8
I wonder what is the ratio between people who waste the manufacturer time to people who actually can generate business or what is the quality of the crowd.
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Undisclosed Integrator #4
At different booths I went to that I had dealt with before I asked other than Chinese what Nationalities was the most real interest from they basically all came up with the same top 3 being Indian, Russian and American in varying orders. Yet I didn't notice them as standing out in the crowd.
All the real demonstrations and deals are done after the show on Wed afternoon, Thursday and Friday when they invite you to their factories. All the Chinese companies use JIT ie "Just In Time". They rarely carry stock. It is made to order.
Rarely do they have samples at the show to purchase. They will make it and hand it over when you visit their factory or deliver to you at your hotel a few days later.
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Undisclosed Manufacturer #9
1) I am working for a North American manufacture based in China. Hardly believe IPVM did not go to China due to Hikvision or the Chinese government? Any evidences?
2) I just cannot believe someone said "HIK Vision is upset with IPVM = Chinese Govt is upset with IPVM." I am not a big fan of Hikvision or Dahua and I have been living in China for over 30 years and I just cannot believe Westerns know very little about China. Please come and see by yourself not just imagine; I think most of IPVM members never visit China but said very bad things about China just because the products made in China are too good?
3) In 5 years, China manufactures will dominate the CCTV market worldwide no matter you agree or not. We will see.
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Rumen Palmov
The exhibition was really HUGE, both in terms of size/exhibitor companies and also attendees. Surely one of the reasons is because so many companies working in the CCTV field are based in the Shenzhen and Guangzhou area. As a result this show is becoming a leading trading event for the security systems business.
There were 9 halls in total where exhibitor companies were grouped by the type of systems and/or vertical market applications they offered. Roughly speaking some 60% of the exhibition was focused on CCTV, 25% - access control, 10% - home automation/alarm/consumer electronics, 5% - police equipment, drones and others.
Hall 1 was the main international/oversea area for CCTV where all major players had booths with Dahua having probably the biggest area, followed by Hikvision, Uniview, TVT and others:
As others pointed out - AI was definitely the main theme with most of the companies showing deep learning products, face recognition, LPR, classification, etc. Both Hikvision and Dahua exhibited a complete lineup of such products:
TVT was showing a face recognition IP camera + NVR combo:
Others were demonstrating software solutions:
Hikvision and Dahua were also emphasizing on the non-video products - video intercoms, access control, UAV and others:
Portable Speed Measuring Radar
Doorlocks with embbeded biometric reader:
Deep learning Dual lens traffic camera:
Second tier Chinese companies tried to make their presence noted as well:
JuFeng/XM:
Hall 9, 6 and 7 were home to smaller manufacturers producing all kinds of CCTV accessories, gadgets, strange type of industrial cameras (laser pan-tilts, Ex-proof), network PoE switches, converters, power supplies, brackets etc.
Hall 9 overview:
Various strange interesting products could be found:
And also some quite useful gadgets and accessories:
4-in-1 TVI/CVI/AHD/CVBS converters video-over-fiber:
4-in-1 TVI/CVI/AHD/CVBS modulator being able to transmit 2 video signals over 1 coax cable:
Various network appliances suited for CCTV use like industrial PoE switches with ring capability; Ethernet over coax; Ethernet + PoE over fiber products:
Hall 7 overview:
Hall 3, 4 and 5 were dedicated to access control systems and there were all kinds of products including IP access control systems, biometrics, parking systems, barriers, bollards and others:
At many booths visitors could buy samples or get bargain on "hot" products, big commercials were present in many places - like this poster at the entrance advertising a PoE switch for merely 109 RMB (roughly 17 USD):
There were many other specialized product offerings like UAV/drone systems, video wall appliances, structured cabling systems. The main halls were packed with people almost all of the time making it difficult to talk in details with the exhibitors. Nevertheless, the sales people were making their best to meet and give proper information to the booth visitors, especially upon seeing an international oversea visitor going to their booth. A full and effective visit of this event requires 3 days in my opinion. I missed the first day and I also had some pre-arranged meetings with existing suppliers and other people from the CCTV industry in China which I personally know, which made time for me even less. The visit though is definitely worth it, the scale and variety of products are amazing and this is really a primary source for insight of the things to come in the following years.
After the show I flew to Beijing for a meeting and factory visit of another partner - there I could understand why the CCTV market in China is getting so huge - where else can you find a single metro entrance point or a street pole with PTZ cameras overlooking each other :)
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Undisclosed Manufacturer #8
If one wants to fly to China to looks for products and just tour the factories.
What city in China host most of the security industry factories?
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John Honovich
Update: One other important reason we did not go to China, and something we can now disclose, was that the WSJ was working on and now has released an investigation into Hikvision.
We did not know when it was going to be released or what exactly would make it into print but we knew they were asking about government ownership and cybersecurity issues, so we were concerned that if it was to be released while we were in China that this could increase security concerns and place us in a bad situation. Now that it has been released and it did go into the government ownership and cybersecurity as well as citing us, the risk remains for us. I would not say we would never go but we would certainly be very cautious about going.
Now, China-based IPVM members, please let us know if we are overreacting.
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Franky Lam
11/14/17 01:48am
About your concern, if the report has or maybe ready to release. Most of the action PRC will only not allow you to get into our country. Because you or your colleague's name might put in on the watch list or black list.
So, I can't say you are over react, but I understand your concern of your thought. Keep up the good work and stay in touch.
Greeting from Hong Kong, CHINA...:-)
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