IPVM now pays $4,000+ to members, per quarter, whose peers who recognized their comments.
IPVM has a novel feature that rewards members who receive votes on their comments with IPVM membership credits.
Voting Key Points
Here's how it works. Any member can vote on the comments submitted by other members. At the bottom of each comment, there is a series of options, simply click as appropriate. Here is an example of the voting options:
Here are some best practices on voting:
If you already know what that commenter is posting and think it is valuable, choose 'agree'. If you did not know it, but you learned something, choose 'informative'.
Use 'unhelpful' when the comment is off topic / unrelated to what is being discussed.
You cannot vote for your own comments nor can you agree and disagree on the same comment.
Vote For Your Colleagues
You should vote for your colleagues as not only does it recognize their contributions, each of your votes effectively 'pays' / 'rewards' those members with membership credits.
How the Payout Works
Each 'informative' counts as 2 votes, each 'agree' or 'funny' counts as 1 vote each. Each 'unhelpful' is -1 votes. Disagree is neutral as we do not want to penalize members for saying something that others may disagree. Informative has double weight since we want to reward / emphasize informative comments.
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The net number of votes is used to credit member. Each vote is worth 35 cents, so a member with 10 net votes, would get a $3.50 member credit, one with 100 net votes would get $35 member credit, etc.
Pay Every Quarter
Every 90 days, IPVM does an automatic payout, sending emails to each member and crediting their IPVM accounts.
2020 Payout Results
We are paying out $4,000+ per quarter. Now, 34 members are getting $100 or more per year with 16 of them getting more than $200 per year, completely paying for their membership.
2019 Payout Results
In 2019, we are paying out $4,000+ per quarter. Now, 25 members are getting $100 or more per year with a dozen of them getting more than $200 per year, completely paying for their membership.
2018 Payout Results
In 2018, payouts increased to $4,000+ per quarter. Now, 28 members are getting $100 or more per year with 16 of them getting more than $200 per year, completely paying for their membership
2017 Payout Results
In 2017, payouts have increased to $3,000+ per quarter. Now, more than 30 members are getting $100 or more per year with a dozen of them getting more than $200 per year, completely paying for their membership.
2016 Payout Results
We are now paying out $2,500 per quarter (at ~$10,000 per year rate) for commenters. For example, ~20 members are getting $100 or more per year in IPVM member credits for their comments, paying for half or more of an annual IPVM membership.
Goal - Pay More
We want to pay more. We want members to be rewarded for commenting. This is valuable to IPVM because the more recognized commenters feel, the more good comments we get, which makes IPVM more valuable to everyone.
Being a smaller integrator (don't call me a trunk slammer!), these credits are very valuable to me. It helps keep my cost of access down to the best resource I have found. Could I afford to pay for IPVM? Sure. Is it better to contribute and defray the cost? Absolutely!!
Yes, credits are given when a person posts undisclosed.
Yes, credits will be given on any votes given during a quarter, even if the comment itself being voted on what posted 6 months, 1 year ago, etc. Given that most posts are read in the first month after publication, it won't likely make a huge difference but votes count on any comment, regardless of comment's age.
Are there plans to add the commenting system to the mobile version of the site? When viewing on my phone, I tend to choose to view the full site even though I must pinch and zoom. I have also found that the full site runs better on my phone than the mobile version.
And now looking back at my original comment, the new responsive site is up and is probably one of the best forum interfaces I have seen especially on a mobile device. I can be on a job site, remember reading something on IPVM and quickly reference it in a search all without having to click "desktop version" anymore. Your email blasts are also some of the best I have seen and one that I check but have never marked as spam. Thankfully it's not sent everyday unless I subscribe to a thread. Thanks again for the ease of access and quality of engagement.
Ok, I will stick out my neck and say I do not see any value to this for a paid subscription type forum or web site. Please look at this as positive feedback as I have been very satisfied with the forum and website to date.
At my age, and having been in the security industry for a long time, this jumps out at me as a red flag. An incentive to participate on a paid forum just seems odd. This would have played a large factor on my decision to subscribe because I spent a lot of time vetting the site, prior to subscription, looking at the potential downside. I am not saying it should be a factor, only that it would have been a factor in looking for a professional site.
I don't think that an incentive to comment portrays a very professional image either. Discussions and comments should be driven by the quality of the content.
The first thing that jumped out at me was this is a marketing technique to drive up subscribers and thus advertisers, and causing a negative effect on the quality of the content by attracting unknowledgable contributors. Why not give the incentive back to subscribers in the form of a rebate on their fees?
The advantage is that I want frequent commeters to feel that we respect their contributions. This is one way to do so.
Btw, when I say promote, I mean educate / inform members to vote more. If someone like you makes a good comment (like you did above), I want other members to vote it up and to know that voting it up helps recognize your contribution to the site.
Outstanding idea then. I, probably like a lot of members, don't always contribute to the community. Time is one issue but having to reinvent the wheel everytime a new application comes along is time consuming as well.
I just read the Tri-Ed article and am glad to see it is not just me. Unfortunatly, I see this across our industry. The thought of a camera package, sold as a kit to security professionals, really iritates me. If it is sold in a big box store one knows what they are getting but to market that crap to the industry itself.
I love thermal technology too but when FLIR bought Digital Watchdog [IPVM Editor: FLIR bough Lorex/Digimerge] and now advetise an 8 camera kit, I lost all faith. Maybe they had to stay alive.
Keep up the good work. I am on board 100% and at your service.
IMO, I think this will provide incentive for people like myself that would normally sit at the front of the class and remain quite while attempting to avoid the spit balls from the back of the class. Really how much extra time do we have available to spend writing comments?
I just join IPVM and I am thrilled with this new features.
Once joined, I looked through the Articles and Discussions to find answers for my current situations and problems.
But some content lacked responses from the community.I believe with this, there will be more constructive information from the ground for me as people will see the incentives to help others with their expentise and knowledge.
Update: Commenting and voting is way up in the last 10 days.
Voting is easily up 100%. We had in the range of ~4000 votes for first three months. On the current pace, it should be over 10,000. I am glad to see that, hope it encourage more participation and rewards more members.
John, a suggestion in light of the 20 some unhelpful votes given in the space of just a few underlying comments and one underlying issue, in the 'what to test' thread.
Similar to other voting sites, perhaps we should change the system, at some future point, so as to tax a non-admin voting 'unhelpful' with the smallest but non-zero ding to their own total. This is not done to discourage the voting, rather just to cause some reflection upon it, and thereby reduce the retaliatory systematic down voting of multiple comments that can ensue.
More importantly, this actually strengthens the power of the 'unhelpful' since it accords the weight of 'I felt compelled to express this' to any 'unhelpful' vote that one does see.
The motivation behind it is to put emphasis on up-voting or not voting at all. This way, down votes will carry more weight and it will also prevent users from abusing the system by down-voting excessively. According to what Jeff/Joel discussed on the SO podcast, they wanted to find a way to discourage users from down-voting for less legitimate reasons (say a pro-Java developer down-voting everything remotely related to .NET or the like). Edit: I have to admit, it definitely puts it into perspective to compare how many points you gain for other activities vs. the 1 point you lose for a down vote. It is effectively the smallest penalty that the Stack Overflow scoring system will permit.
Not sure about how the math should work. But it seems as though people are often using it as 'strongly disagree' button, which I did not think was your intent.
In all seriousness, do you see any valuable applications of a watch for video surveillance? Perhaps alarm notifications? Show a picture or video clip of the suspect? Quicker to review and respond?
It makes one wonder what the objection might have been here? Or could it have been simply a non-native speaker thinking it meant something like "Was this article helpful or not?". Anyway here is an easy suggestion which should help improve the usage in all cases.
Simply have a confirm box display when voting Unhelpful, which says something to the effect that Unhelpful votes are intended for <insert guidelines>. This would help clarify the usage, at the expense of slowing down Unhelpful voting, which shouldn't be a problem. You could even include a feedback memo that goes to the admins if you wanted.
If you are that scared of retalitory votes, just post anonymous adn hopefully they won't catch on. I'm not sure if I have ever post anonymous before myself, but I could see people doing that more often in order to keep retaliation to a minimum.
However, you won't get street cred for your awesomeness!
Good morning, dear. I bear witness and testimony that the votes for the comments listed as informative Okay, fun, remunerate users, while also can choose to vote being in neutral and indicate that the comment is not attached to the user's discretion Which makes the review of whether it serves them or not, the comment, giving the option to leave without a vote or give it that it does not help (Unhelpfull). I thank the IPVM team for the remuneration received and use this commentary in English and Spanish to clarify, guide or guide Spanish-speaking IPVM users.
Sample of current balance, product that provides valuable comments to the IPVM community. Its existing balance is one (1) dollar with 14 cents. Your existing balance of $ 1.14
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Muy buenos dias, estimados. Doy fe y testimonio de que los votos por los comentarios catalogados como informativos, De acuerdo, Divertidos, remuneran a los usuarios, mientras que tambien se puede optar por votar quedando en la neutralidad así como indicar que dicho comentario no se apega al criterio del usuario que hace la revision de si les util o no, el comentario, dando opcion a dejarlo sin voto o darle un de que el mismo no ayuda (Unhelpfull). Agradezco al equipo IPVM las remuneraciones recibidas y hago uso del presente comentario en ingles y español para clarificar, orientar o guiar a los usuarios de IPVM hispanoparlantes.
Muestra de balance actual, producto de que aporte comentarios de valor a la comunidad IPVM. Su balance existente es de un (1) dolar con 14 centavos. Your existing balance of $1.14
Greeting from Hong Kong, and I think it is a good reward system for all of us to leave comments. Not just act like a CD-ROM (READ ONLY), and able to act like a DVD-R (READ AND WRITE). Also, myself will share my experience work at SI, Consultant and Sole Distributor in this great platform.
Each day in every topics and comments that the members are posting, there is a some lessons to learn. This keeps us fresh in our industry. I should be appreciating the effort of every single member. This is what makes a strong community.
I'm not sure that a "disagree" counts for less than an "agree".
We could all sit here bloke smoke up populist posts and agree with each other and cash in. The lemming theory pays.
Whilst Jon suggests that IPVM "do not want to penalize members for saying something that others may disagree", this is exactly what the disparity between "agree" and "disagree", results in.
Hikvision is an obvious subject. Anyone can say something negative and the lemmings all pile in with agrees and the OP gets paid per click, with the effect that subscribers are financial encouraged to post negative comments on the likes of Hikvision - thus IPVM have created click-bait environment.
I would have thought that rewards should relate to contributions rather than just posting something that will attract as many "agree" clicks.
But like most minorities, anyone countering the status quo is disadvantaged - which is a shame.
To me Agree, Disagree and informative should all be 1. Unhelpful is fine at-1 but should be monitored to prevent trolls targeting posts that they may disagree with but can do more damage with an unhelpful vote.
Tim, for IPVM members, the #2 top voted commenter is Sean Nelson, who is a rabid Hikvision proponent. The #6 top voted commenter is Jon Dillabaugh, a Hikvision dealer.
with the effect that subscribers are financial encouraged to post negative comments on the likes of Hikvision
We pay $0.35 for each upvote. I have not seen anyone really want to waste their time making money by posting comments on IPVM. People may dislike Hikvision or love it (Hi Sean!) but business professionals are generally too busy and have better ways of making money than trying to get IPVM member credit.
Team, I'm putting together a proposal for a hotel with three basement floors with lift access on each basement floor. The lifts are categorized into banquet or hotel guests. The architectural design is such that banquet lifts can only access up to third floor including the basement floors while hotel guest lift may access all floors. The client is interested in using technology to control movement of pedestrian and vehicular traffic within the hotel without inconveniencing their guests either for banquet or hotel guest floor access. I had thought of deploying access control into the lift cabins with a central access card processing point at the lowest basement floor and the ground floor. The client also thinks of using technology to achieve complete lock-down for basement access/exit should need arise. For this, I had thought of achieving by putting in access control rules onto the management software for lift access while also deploying K-Rated bollards for vehicles at the ground floor to control access to basement floors for vehicular access.
My challenge is that human pedestrian can easily jump over bollards should there be a lock down requirement if lifts are controlled to and from the basement floors. Is there an electronic technology available that may achieve a complete lock down both for pedestrians as well as vehicular. Any ideas shall be highly appreciated.
I have worked in this in the electrical engineering field for 26 years, in that time I have seen keypads rule the world and fall into disgrace, supervised door camera rise and level out, cards touted as the end of all security needs hacked, hacked card credentials selected by owners due to price concerns, James Bond iris readers become reality, and both a business man and an actor become president of the USA. Don't ever be surprised at what technology can do now, instead what it be doing in the future?
Quite a few of my government customers are wondering about the latest updates regarding the upcoming proposed Aug 2020’ "Blacklisting" regulation that is related to the NDAA.
I would appreciate guidance from IPVM and the IPVM member audience regarding the following questions:
Will blacklisting only effect vendors who continue to sell the banned products?
We are a State & Local agency, if we purchase any of the banned equipment, could our agency also end up being placed on the "blacklist"?
What does "blacklisting" mean? How is it related to agencies that receive Federal grants? What are the repercussions? Who will enforce the “blacklisting”? How will blacklisting be enforced?
If a product contains the Huawei "HiSilicon" chip, no matter what product it is, is it also included in the "banned" list?
If a company sells the banned products to government agencies (State & Local) up until the moment the Aug 2020’ blacklisting takes effect will there be any repercussions? Repercussions to the vendor? Repercussions to the STLG agency that took receipt of the banned equipment?
How would one know if the product they are buying contains the Huawei "HiSilicon" chip?
How would one know if the equipment they are buying is a relabeled Dahua/Hikvision banned piece of equipment?
Besides Dahua and Hikvision surveillance cameras does the equipment ban also include Dahua and Hikvision thermal cameras since the NVR’s/DVR’s they are typically connected to contain the banned Huawei “HiSilicon” chip?
I just joined IPVM a week or so ago. I am quite impressed! And now, I see that you have a system that rewards positive, helpful comments—what a great way to keep people engaged and prevent unnecessary chatter. I already had some questions about Point to Point wireless links and have received excellent comments back.
My only comment to IPVM is that I just learned about your service. I wish I would have learned about it years ago.
Thank you for a great platform and for the help I already received. I will go back to my discussion question and mark the comments as informative now!
This is in the wrong thread, but I tested Uniview years ago with a varifocal camera and a little 4-channel unit. The camera is still operational at my shop. I never used the NVR in the field, but the software wasn't bad. I don't really care for NVR software and generally find it terrible, but sometimes that is what's affordable compared to a VMS.
I may start moving more to Uniview cameras, but I did find their offerings very limited in comparison to Dahua and Hikvision. They seem to be starting to catch up with more product offerings, but I still feel they have a ways to go.
What is the best practice to store video for long period say for one year. This is for a special case, our standard backup is 30 days which is consuming 250 GB per camera. How can I implement video aging (Grooming after the standard 30 days period) and how much storage space can be saved per month.