IFSEC 2018 Final Show Report

Author: IPVM Team, Published on Jun 20, 2018

IPVM attended the IFSEC show for the first time this year.

The Chinese took over the show, centered on Hikvision, flanked by Dahua, Huawei and a legion of other Chinese manufacturers.

IFSEC is much smaller than ISC West, with about 50% fewer exhibitors and notable large absences, making it most comparable to ASIS, though without ASIS educational component but with significant more traffic.

In this report we cover:

  • Chinese Front and Center
  • Hikvision Long Booth
  • Dahua Confused And Surprised
  • Face Recognition
  • GDPR / ICO Complaint Against Show
  • Booth Centered Around a Bar
  • Celebrity AI
  • Live Hacking a Fingerprint Lock
  • Avigilon Big Advertising Spend
  • Huawei "Care More"
  • Dahua - AI Adding Value?
  • UK Startup Hardware Developer / Manufacturer
  • EU Made Positioning Cameras
  • Hikvision Flashlight Camera
  • Interesting People Detector Demo
  • Stands Grouped By Segment
  • Access Control Stand Video
  • Hikvision Parking Space Detector
  • Competitor to Ambarella and Huawei / Hisilicon
  • Live Attacks
  • Live Drones
  • LTS In the UK
  • Show Me How?
  • Education at IFSEC
  • Certified Techs
  • IFSEC Competitor - The Security Event
  • ASIS Competitor
  • Hanwha Marketing Shirt Move
  • Axis Marketing
  • Show In A Mall
  • Bosch Invests In Facial Recognition
  • Pansonic Disappearing
  • 3 Big No Shows (At least)
  • Impressive Keynote Area
  • Milestone Regular
  • Genetec Surrounded
  • Huawei Software Defined Cameras
  • Huawei: Who's Axis?
  • Face++ Showing
  • FLIR racecar
  • Anixter's PSIM Displayed
  • Owl gimmick
  • Happiness analytics
  • UK Built Servers
  • Milestone / Hikvision Servers
  • Steps All Over
  • Mobotix Moves to Varifocal, IR and PTZs
  • Worst Wireless

Chinese companies were front and center, with literally most prominently showing off facial recognition.

Hikvision has, by far, the largest booth, it is extremely long as this walk-through video shows:

Dahua had basically the same booth and same marketing slogan from ISC West:

And in fairness to Dahua, unlike ISC West 2018, Dahua did not mistake a camera display for a young woman.

This time, Dahua displayed various people as being 'surprised' or 'confused'. Judge the accuracy for yourself:

Does Dahua do any QA? Does anyone at Dahua check these things and say 'hey this does not look right'? This is a $3 billion revenue company with 6,000 'engineers'. It's amazing what happens when the PRC government blocks out foreign companies in a space.

Also, Dahua's clothing recognition regularly mistook someone's skin color for their clothing color, as in the example below:

Also, note, in the example above, within 2 seconds, Dahua switches from saying the person has blue slacks to brown ones and from not having a bag to having one.

(Note: We masked out the face since it is not relevant to the example/analysis and was rather close up.)

And these guys are now manufacturing cars. Think about taking Dahua's quality approach to that.

Other notable central China company booths included UNV / Uniview:

JF Tech, better known as the product arm of botnet propagator Xiaong Mai:

While mostly an OEM in North America, TVT had a larger booth:

And ADI W-Box OEM provider Sunell had a big booth, across from Dahua on the main aisle:

Another smaller Chinese company with a sizeable booth:

Face recognition was widely demonstrated in the show. Indeed, IPVM filed a GDPR / ICO Complaint Filed Against IFSEC Show Facial Recognition arguing that this does not conform to GDPR regulations.

The images below show a sample of the sheer number of companies using biometrics at IFSEC 2018:

Here is something different. UK manufacturing has been overwhelmingly replaced with OEMing or Chinese brands.

One UK startup, Bluebox Video has designed, developed and is manufacturing their own streaming video walls. Below is a picture of their CTO, James Doolin, who said he designed the PCB board shown in the center himself, next to 24 Full HD cameras output from their BB appliance:

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Comments (49)

John Honovich

IPVM | 06/19/18 05:35pm

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Undisclosed Distributor #2

In reply to John Honovich | 06/19/18 06:23pm

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John Honovich

IPVM | In reply to Undisclosed Distributor #2 | 06/19/18 06:38pm

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Jonathan de Chateau

In reply to John Honovich | 06/26/18 12:11pm

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Charles Rollet

In reply to Undisclosed Distributor #2 | 06/20/18 09:42am

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Undisclosed Distributor #2

In reply to Charles Rollet | 06/20/18 01:28pm

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Undisclosed #1

In reply to Charles Rollet | 06/20/18 03:23pm

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Charles Rollet

In reply to Undisclosed #1 | 06/20/18 03:28pm

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Undisclosed #1

In reply to Charles Rollet | 06/20/18 03:33pm

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Charles Rollet

In reply to Undisclosed #1 | 06/20/18 03:36pm

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Undisclosed Manufacturer #5

In reply to John Honovich | 06/20/18 05:02am

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John Honovich

IPVM | In reply to Undisclosed Manufacturer #5 | 06/20/18 08:01am

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Undisclosed End User #7

In reply to John Honovich | 06/20/18 11:51am

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Phil Stewkesbury

In reply to Undisclosed End User #7 | 06/20/18 12:28pm

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John Honovich

IPVM | In reply to Undisclosed End User #7 | 06/20/18 07:22pm

***** *** **** ********* ** ********* ** *** *****, *** our********* ** ***** / ***** ***** ************ *********. *** * ** **** ***** *** **** ******, *.*., Dahua *** ********* *** *********, ********** ***/** ********* ***** **? How **** ** ** ********* ******** * ***'* ****.

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Undisclosed End User #7

In reply to John Honovich | 06/21/18 07:46am

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Matthew Rice

06/19/18 05:44pm

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Undisclosed #1

06/19/18 06:15pm

*** ********?

John Honovich

IPVM | In reply to Undisclosed #1 | 06/19/18 06:21pm

* *** *** *** **** ** * *********** *****! :)

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Undisclosed #3

06/19/18 06:31pm

****** *** * *** *****, **** ***** * ****** *** spoke ****** ******* *** **** ********, ********* * ******** ******* camera...

*** ***, ** ******.

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Brian Rhodes

IPVMU Certified | In reply to Undisclosed #3 | 06/20/18 01:47am

***** ***** = *.*/**

Undisclosed #3

In reply to Brian Rhodes | 06/20/18 05:15am

**** “*****” ****** *** ******** ********* **********...

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Ari Erenthal

Chesapeake & Midlantic | In reply to Undisclosed #3 | 06/20/18 12:51pm

* **** ***.

Undisclosed Manufacturer #4

06/19/18 06:32pm

**********: ****** ** * ****** *******, *** * ******* *******

John Honovich

IPVM | In reply to Undisclosed Manufacturer #4 | 06/19/18 06:36pm

*******, ******.

Undisclosed #3

06/19/18 06:54pm

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*******, ** **** * *** *** ****?

John Honovich

IPVM | In reply to Undisclosed #3 | 06/19/18 06:58pm

*** **** *** ****** *******!

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Undisclosed #3

In reply to John Honovich | 06/20/18 01:26am

***** *** **** *** *** *** ****** ********* ** **** over *******?

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Phil Stewkesbury

06/20/18 12:01am

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***** ******** ** *** **** ** ***

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David Delepine

AA Security Systems LLC | 06/20/18 01:45am

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Luis Carmona

IPVMU Certified | In reply to David Delepine | 06/23/18 04:04pm

**** *** *********** ******* ***** *********** ** **** ** ****** about ****' ****** ****** *******.

Undisclosed #6

06/20/18 08:53am

** ****

**** *** ** ******* ** ***** ******** ** *** ****? Access *******, ********, ***.

***** *** *** ******** *** **** **** ****.

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Brian Rhodes

IPVMU Certified | In reply to Undisclosed #6 | 06/20/18 06:17pm

***** *** #*:

**** ************ ***** *** **** ** *** **** ******** **?

******,

Undisclosed #6

In reply to Brian Rhodes | 06/20/18 07:22pm

** *****

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** ***** ** *********** ** **** ***** *** *** ********

Undisclosed #3

In reply to Undisclosed #6 | 06/20/18 07:53pm

** *****, *** ****** ***** ** ** ********* ** *****.

***** ** ***** ****** **** ;)

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Simon Lambert

IPVMU Certified | 06/20/18 10:01am

** ****,

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Undisclosed #3

In reply to Simon Lambert | 06/21/18 07:29am

***** *** ****** ** *** ********* *****!

*** *** **** ***** ******** ***? ** ***** ** ***** to ***** ** ** ******.

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Daniel Gelinas

IPVMU Certified | 06/20/18 01:48pm

"******** - **** **** ******* ****?"

* ***** ** ******** ** **** ***** *** ********* ** GDPR. ***** ******* ***** ******. *** **** **** ****** **** the **** **** ** ****** ***** ** ** ********** *********** of ******* **** ************?

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Charles Rollet

In reply to Daniel Gelinas | 06/20/18 03:05pm

** ******, **** ********! ** ***** ** ***, *** "**** this ******* ****?" ******** *** ********* ** ***** ******* ****** recognition. ****** ***********, ** * **** ** ********* ****, ** considered *** ** *** ****** ********* "******* ********** ** ******** data" ************ * ** *** ****. ********** **** ** ********* ********** ** *** **** **** important **********.

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Luis Carmona

IPVMU Certified | In reply to Charles Rollet | 06/23/18 03:59pm

***** ** ***** **** ** ** "****" ***** *** **** beta ********, ***** ******* ******** ******** ** *** ******* ***** future *********.

Undisclosed Integrator #8

06/20/18 06:03pm

* ******* *** *** ** ***** ***** *********** ********** ***** VMS **** ** *** **** ******** ** ********.

*** **** ** *** *******?

**** ***** ** **** ******** *** * ***** ***** ** the ****** ****** *** **** ***** ****** *** *** ******?

**** *** **** ** **** ****** *** *******, * ** interested ** ** *** **** ******** **** ** *** *** over ******** *** **** ******* *** ** *** ********** ******* or *****-***** ************ *** *** **** *************.

Rodney Thayer

06/20/18 06:04pm

***** *** *** *** ******, **** ** ******.

** **** **** **** * ***'* ***** **** ******* ****** me ** *** ** *********?

**** ***** ****? **** ***** *** *******/******** ***** ************ *********. Were ***** ***********? (***-**** *****)

Andrew Tierney

06/20/18 07:03pm

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*** **** ******** ***** ****. ****** ** ***** **** ****-****.

John Honovich

IPVM | 06/20/18 07:26pm

********** ******** - *** ********* ** **** *** ******* *** informative ***** *** **** **'* *** ***** *** **** **** update:

** ********, ********* *** **** **** ****** *** ***** ** us ************ ** ***** ** ** *******.

**, * *** *** *******, ********* ****** ********* **************, ** the ********* *****, ** *** **** ****.

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Tim Pickles

In reply to John Honovich | 06/21/18 07:41am

******** ******* *** ***, ****. ************ *** ****, ** **** more ** ****** **** **** ***** ******* **.

*'* ********* ** * ****** ****** ** *** ***** ** HDCE ******?

Ronnie Allan

06/20/18 08:54pm

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*** ** ****** ** ******** ***** * ***** **’** ***** to *****, *** ** *********** ************ **** ******* *** ******* and **** ******* ** *** ******** **********.

********* *** **** **** ***!

Undisclosed Integrator #9

06/21/18 03:42pm

**** *** * ******* ***** ** ****** *** **** ** the ******* *** ** **** ****. *** ******* ** **** even ** *** ** *** **** ** **** ***** ********, you *** *** ****, **** * ***** *** ********* **** them. ***** ** ***** ** * **** ****?

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Undisclosed Distributor #10

10/21/18 08:17pm

*** ** ** ** ******** * ********** ******* *** ***** by ***** *******. ***** ***** ****** ** *** ***** *** from ***'* ******* ***********(*********) *** ****'** ***** ********* **** *** UK ******* *** ** ***** ***** ******* **** ****'* ************ approach ********* **** ***** ***** *********.

Undisclosed Integrator #11

In reply to Undisclosed Distributor #10 | 10/22/18 03:24pm

********** ***** ** ** ***'* ***** **** ** *** **. It ****'* ***** * ******* **** ***** ***** **** ** Miami *** **** ******* **** ************* **. **** **** ******* me ********* ***** * ****, *** ***** ****** ******** ** stop *******.

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