IFSEC 2018 Final Show Report

By IPVM Team, Published Jun 20, 2018, 01:03pm EDT

IPVM attended the IFSEC show for the first time this year.

The Chinese took over the show, centered on Hikvision, flanked by Dahua, Huawei and a legion of other Chinese manufacturers.

IFSEC is much smaller than ISC West, with about 50% fewer exhibitors and notable large absences, making it most comparable to ASIS, though without ASIS educational component but with significant more traffic.

In this report we cover:

  • Chinese Front and Center
  • Hikvision Long Booth
  • Dahua Confused And Surprised
  • Face Recognition
  • GDPR / ICO Complaint Against Show
  • Booth Centered Around a Bar
  • Celebrity AI
  • Live Hacking a Fingerprint Lock
  • Avigilon Big Advertising Spend
  • Huawei "Care More"
  • Dahua - AI Adding Value?
  • UK Startup Hardware Developer / Manufacturer
  • EU Made Positioning Cameras
  • Hikvision Flashlight Camera
  • Interesting People Detector Demo
  • Stands Grouped By Segment
  • Access Control Stand Video
  • Hikvision Parking Space Detector
  • Competitor to Ambarella and Huawei / Hisilicon
  • Live Attacks
  • Live Drones
  • LTS In the UK
  • Show Me How?
  • Education at IFSEC
  • Certified Techs
  • IFSEC Competitor - The Security Event
  • ASIS Competitor
  • Hanwha Marketing Shirt Move
  • Axis Marketing
  • Show In A Mall
  • Bosch Invests In Facial Recognition
  • Pansonic Disappearing
  • 3 Big No Shows (At least)
  • Impressive Keynote Area
  • Milestone Regular
  • Genetec Surrounded
  • Huawei Software Defined Cameras
  • Huawei: Who's Axis?
  • Face++ Showing
  • FLIR racecar
  • Anixter's PSIM Displayed
  • Owl gimmick
  • Happiness analytics
  • UK Built Servers
  • Milestone / Hikvision Servers
  • Steps All Over
  • Mobotix Moves to Varifocal, IR and PTZs
  • Worst Wireless

Chinese companies were front and center, with literally most prominently showing off facial recognition.

Hikvision has, by far, the largest booth, it is extremely long as this walk-through video shows:

Dahua had basically the same booth and same marketing slogan from ISC West:

And in fairness to Dahua, unlike ISC West 2018, Dahua did not mistake a camera display for a young woman.

This time, Dahua displayed various people as being 'surprised' or 'confused'. Judge the accuracy for yourself:

Does Dahua do any QA? Does anyone at Dahua check these things and say 'hey this does not look right'? This is a $3 billion revenue company with 6,000 'engineers'. It's amazing what happens when the PRC government blocks out foreign companies in a space.

Also, Dahua's clothing recognition regularly mistook someone's skin color for their clothing color, as in the example below:

Also, note, in the example above, within 2 seconds, Dahua switches from saying the person has blue slacks to brown ones and from not having a bag to having one.

(Note: We masked out the face since it is not relevant to the example/analysis and was rather close up.)

And these guys are now manufacturing cars. Think about taking Dahua's quality approach to that.

Other notable central China company booths included UNV / Uniview:

JF Tech, better known as the product arm of botnet propagator Xiaong Mai:

While mostly an OEM in North America, TVT had a larger booth:

And ADI W-Box OEM provider Sunell had a big booth, across from Dahua on the main aisle:

Another smaller Chinese company with a sizeable booth:

Face recognition was widely demonstrated in the show. Indeed, IPVM filed a GDPR / ICO Complaint Filed Against IFSEC Show Facial Recognition arguing that this does not conform to GDPR regulations.

The images below show a sample of the sheer number of companies using biometrics at IFSEC 2018:

Here is something different. UK manufacturing has been overwhelmingly replaced with OEMing or Chinese brands.

One UK startup, Bluebox Video has designed, developed and is manufacturing their own streaming video walls. Below is a picture of their CTO, James Doolin, who said he designed the PCB board shown in the center himself, next to 24 Full HD cameras output from their BB appliance:

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Comments (49)

John Honovich

IPVM | 06/19/18 05:35pm

More to come on day 2 and 3. If you have requests, make them here.

One big topic we are tracking - GDPR and facial recognition - easily 20 booths had facial recognition, even random companies. Question - does this violate GDPR? If not, why not? If yes, what to do? We've asked this question formally to show management and will post that, if they respond. Anyone with thoughts?

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Undisclosed Distributor #2

In reply to John Honovich | 06/19/18 06:23pm

Walk in front of a random booth that is advertising facial recognition analytics, stop and ask that they produce all video content of you so that it may be disposed of.

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John Honovich

IPVM | In reply to Undisclosed Distributor #2 | 06/19/18 06:38pm

stop and ask that they produce all video content of you so that it may be disposed of.

Good one! I am trying to determine how much time they have to respond. They might simply say, "We'll dispose of it at the end of the show." Anyone know how the process works? I am checking with Charles on our side.

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Jonathan de Chateau

In reply to John Honovich | 06/26/18 12:11pm

You have 30 days to answer the request. Maximum data retention is 28 days (or in case of an incident, until the incident has been handeled).

Nice litte loophole

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Charles Rollet

In reply to Undisclosed Distributor #2 | 06/20/18 09:42am

Under the GDPR, you should be able to do this: article 15 gives data subjects a right to their own data, article 17 a clear right to be forgotten.

However, the company running the booth does not have to comply immediately - as stated in article 12, they have one month to respond and can extend that an additional two months if more time is needed. (So three months total.) They also have a right to ask for additional information so that your request can be fulfilled.
 
 
And while the GDPR demands a response to the request, that doesn't mean the request must be fulfilled. According to article 12 again, if the request is too vague and the end user “is not in a position to identify the data subject” it is not obligated to comply. 
 
 
Companies can also deny or charge fees for requests that are “manifestly unfounded or excessive.” Finally, end users are also not obligated to comply if the data was collected in the public interest.
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Undisclosed Distributor #2

In reply to Charles Rollet | 06/20/18 01:28pm

Very informative information about the details of GDPR.  Seems as though it's a lot of empty threats and sabre rattling where, if you look closely, then it actually is worthless.  I'm sure it will be held onto in order to slap a massive fine on some huge company, but from the 10 lines above I see where it can be completely ignored.

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Undisclosed #1

In reply to Charles Rollet | 06/20/18 03:23pm

"as stated inarticle 12, they have one month to respond and can extend that an additional two months if more time is needed."

What is the average retention time for recorded video in the UK?

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Charles Rollet

In reply to Undisclosed #1 | 06/20/18 03:28pm

I don't know that, however we noted in our GDPR guide that this caused a potential loophole:

"Since most video surveillance data is kept for less than a month, this means many requests for video surveillance data will likely be impossible. The one month period is also a potential loophole that end users can exploit to deny information requests. Exploiting such a loophole may be risky since it could be interpreted as violating the spirit of the GDPR, but that has not stopped some we have spoken to from saying they plan on using it."

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Undisclosed #1

In reply to Charles Rollet | 06/20/18 03:33pm

Thanks!

...and sorry I didn't read the GDPR guide before I asked that leading question.  You saw it and chopped me down - nice work.  :)

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Charles Rollet

In reply to Undisclosed #1 | 06/20/18 03:36pm

no worries, I'm always happy to answer questions and reading that guide is definitely not a prerequisite!

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Undisclosed Manufacturer #5

In reply to John Honovich | 06/20/18 05:02am

Thank you John for the great insights.

How about Trassir? Anything interesting news about their VMS, or about their analytics?

All the best!

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John Honovich

IPVM | In reply to Undisclosed Manufacturer #5 | 06/20/18 08:01am

No, I grabbed a picture of their booth as I was gathering examples of various companies doing facial recognition:

I don't know much about them (Trassir / DSSL). Can you provide a little color on them and where they compete?

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Undisclosed End User #7

In reply to John Honovich | 06/20/18 11:51am

 

 

John , Can you cover the following if any exhibitor has

Analytics on cloud offering

Drone based surveillance
Multi camera edge plus cloud offerings
Face Recognition on EDGE

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Phil Stewkesbury

In reply to Undisclosed End User #7 | 06/20/18 12:28pm

GeoVision should be showing their VD8700 dome camera which offers in-camera facial recognition

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John Honovich

IPVM | In reply to Undisclosed End User #7 | 06/20/18 07:22pm

There are some companies do analytics in the cloud, see our Directory of VSaaS / Cloud Video Surveillance Providers. And I am sure there are more coming, e.g., Dahua and Hikvision are marketing, developing and/or releasing cloud AI? How soon it is available overseas I don't know.

Very few drones at the show, added a picture in the day 2 post with the drone area.

"Muli camera edge plus cloud offerings" Can you elaborate? You mean multiple imagers with edge analytics? 

As for facial recognition on the edge, I think most companies are doing it server side. There's at least 1 Hikvsion camera with Intel Movidious that is edge based, available in some regions, not available in others (e.g., US). In general, I think you're much safer with non-edge facial recognition, given the processing power and options available.

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Undisclosed End User #7

In reply to John Honovich | 06/21/18 07:46am

Thanks 

>"Muli camera edge plus cloud offerings" Can you elaborate? You mean multiple >imagers with edge analytics?

Yes Multi imagers as well as camera cooperation between cameras 

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Matthew Rice

06/19/18 05:44pm

Right on point! I would love to hear peoples take on GDPR.

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Undisclosed #1

06/19/18 06:15pm

Any robotics?

 

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John Honovich

IPVM | In reply to Undisclosed #1 | 06/19/18 06:21pm

I was not run over by a Knightscope robot! :)

That's a good question. I did not see any robots though I was not particularly looking for them. Searching through the IFSEC exhibitor list for some notable names (Knightscope, Cobalt, SMP, Sharp, etc.) returned no exhibitors. There is also no category for robots in the list filters.

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Undisclosed #3

IPVMU Certified | 06/19/18 06:31pm

Huawei had a big booth, with maybe 1 person who spoke fluent English and knew anything, promoting a software defined camera...

All hat, no camera.

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Brian Rhodes

IPVMU Certified | In reply to Undisclosed #3 | 06/20/18 01:47am

Idiom score = 7.5/10

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Undisclosed #3

IPVMU Certified | In reply to Brian Rhodes | 06/20/18 05:15am

Only “North” Texans and maybe Jim Hall would appreciate...

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Ari Erenthal

Chesapeake & Midlantic
In reply to Undisclosed #3 | 06/20/18 12:51pm

I miss Jim.

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Undisclosed Manufacturer #4

06/19/18 06:32pm

Correction: Wonwoo is a Korean company, not a Chinese company

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John Honovich

IPVM | In reply to Undisclosed Manufacturer #4 | 06/19/18 06:36pm

Removed, thanks.

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Undisclosed #3

IPVMU Certified | 06/19/18 06:54pm

Bidders, you only have 10 days left to beat the $10 million bid and own Arecont.

Related, is that a new tag line?

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John Honovich

IPVM | In reply to Undisclosed #3 | 06/19/18 06:58pm

Own your own camera company!

What do you say? Would you dust off the old pocket protector to take over Arecont?

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Undisclosed #3

IPVMU Certified | In reply to John Honovich | 06/20/18 01:26am

Would you dust off the old pocket protector to take over Arecont?

Not unless the deal included a time machine.

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Phil Stewkesbury

06/20/18 12:01am

Recent article from the UK's Surveillance Camera Commissioner (17th May) - The Regulation of Face Identification Technology

No mention of GDPR.

Other mentions he has made of AFR

 

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David Delepine

AA Security Systems LLC
IPVMU Certified | 06/20/18 01:45am

“It said Honovch was 0% happy, so it seems highly accurate...”

Reading this while taking a breather at a jobsite is literally the high point of my day so far

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Luis Carmona

IPVMU Certified | In reply to David Delepine | 06/23/18 04:04pm

John was understably unhappy being embarrassed he knew so little about Axis' analog camera history. 

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Undisclosed #6

06/20/18 08:53am

Hi John

will you be looking at other elements of the show? Access control, intruder, etc. 

IFSEC and the industry are more than cctv. 

 

 

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Brian Rhodes

IPVMU Certified | In reply to Undisclosed #6 | 06/20/18 06:17pm

Hello Und #6:

What specifically would you like to see show coverage on?

Thanks,

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Undisclosed #6

In reply to Brian Rhodes | 06/20/18 07:22pm

Hi Brian

a conversation that does not include cctv. At times, the portal seems to be exclusive to video. 

It would be interesting to hear about the all industry

 

 

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IPVMU Certified | In reply to Undisclosed #6 | 06/20/18 07:53pm

At times, the portal seems to be exclusive to video.

Video is their middle name ;)

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Simon Lambert

IPVMU Certified | 06/20/18 10:01am

Hi John,

Thanks for my photo. Front and centre at the Milestone booth!

Are you guys there Thursday too? It would be great to catch up in person.

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IPVMU Certified | In reply to Simon Lambert | 06/21/18 07:29am

Front and centre at the Milestone booth!

Are you guys there Thursday too? It would be great to catch up in person.

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Daniel Gelinas

IPVMU Certified | 06/20/18 01:48pm

"Question - does this violate GDPR?"

I guess my question is more about the specifics of GDPR. Maybe Charles could answer. How does GDPR square with the idea that in public there is no reasonable expectation of privacy from surveillance?

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Charles Rollet

In reply to Daniel Gelinas | 06/20/18 03:05pm

Hi Daniel, good question! So first of all, the "does this violate GDPR?" question was referring to firms touting facial recognition. Facial recognition, as a form of biometric data, is considered one of the highly sensitive "special categories of personal data" under article 9 of the GDPR. Processing this is generally prohibited by the GDPR with important exceptions.

The main exception which would apply to these vendors would likely be, as explained in our GDPR guide, what the GDPR calls "reasons of substantial public interest." That means things like crime prevention and law enforcement.

So these vendors could sell facial recognition equipment to UK police and still be abiding by the GDPR. It's also possible that facial recognition used by private actors for specific reasons deemed to be of "substantial public interest" (like catching known shoplifters) would also be GDPR-compliant.

As to the broader question of how the GDPR squares with ubiquitous surveillance, I think it does an OK job of it. As seen in my first comment, the actual process of obtaining your own data, for example, takes quite some time and is not an automatic process which is going to flood businesses with ridiculous requests they must comply with.

Because the GDPR itself is actually pretty vague - it contains no references to any particular industry, like video surveillance or social media - a lot depends on how it's interpreted and then how strictly it's implemented.

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Luis Carmona

IPVMU Certified | In reply to Charles Rollet | 06/23/18 03:59pm

Makes me think GDPR is in "beta" stage and like beta software, their letting societal feedback in the general shape future revisions.

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Undisclosed Integrator #8

06/20/18 06:03pm

I noticed one VMS at ifsec named Videonetics showcasing their VMS with AI and deep learning as standard. 

How good is the product? 

They claim to have airports and a large slice of the Indian market and many major awards for the system?  

Have you guys at IPVM tested the product, I am interested in AI and deep learning part of the VMS over standard VMS that require you to buy additional modules or third-party applications for the same functionality.

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06/20/18 06:04pm

Thank you for the report, this is useful.

so does this mean I won't catch John lurking behind me at ESX in Nashville?

What about BSIA?  What about the British/european video surveillance standards.  Were those represented?  (Pre-GDPR thing)

 

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Andrew Tierney

06/20/18 07:03pm

John - come and say hello tomorrow.

Pen Test Partners stand F520. Should be there from 1030-1600.

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John Honovich

IPVM | 06/20/18 07:26pm

Noteworthy contrast - the Hikvision UK team was cordial and informative today and then RT'd and liked our show post update:

By contrast, Hikvision USA will fire anyone who talks to us and continues to block us on Twitter.

Oh, I met Tim Pickles, Hikvision dealer commenter extraordinaire, at the Hikvision booth, he was very nice.

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Tim Pickles

Mitie Fire & Security Systems
In reply to John Honovich | 06/21/18 07:41am

Pleasure meeting you too, John. Surprisingly for some, we have more in common than that which divides us.

I'm wondering if I should change my job title to HDCE though?

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Ronnie Allan

06/20/18 08:54pm

As usual I reluctantly attended and said a few Hellos - mostly talked about the England game the day before and put on my blinkers as I strolled through the stands. 

Had an update on Avigilon which I think we’ll start to offer, had an interesting conversation with DeDrone and Senstar and left feeling it was actually productive.

 

Surprised you came this far!

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Undisclosed Integrator #9

06/21/18 03:42pm

Bars are a growing trend in booths but this is the biggest bar we have seen. The benefit is that even if you do not want to talk about products, you can sit down, have a drink and socialize with them. Waste of space or a good idea?

I've been to so many trade shows full of nothing but Hikua rebrands lately that the only value left in the show is these little bars.  One can only stop by so many booths showing off their OEM'd "products" that match the "products" in every other manufacturer's booth.  Even former greats are increasingly glorified label printing or camera reskinning companies. 

Hanwha does not fall under the OEM/label printing so this criticism is not leveled at them.

The real issue is these bars may pose a temptation for recovering alcoholics.  As such someone in such a scenario may not step into the booth.

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Undisclosed Distributor #10

10/21/18 08:17pm

LTS in UK is actually a franchised company and owned by local British. Those Asian ladies in the booth are from LTS's Chinese headquarter(Brovision) and they're kinda competing with LTS UK because the HQ feels those British guys didn't aggressively approach customers like their China coworkers. 

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Undisclosed Integrator #11

In reply to Undisclosed Distributor #10 | 10/22/18 03:24pm

Aggressive seems to be LTS's forte here in the US. It wasn't until I tracked down their local head in Miami did they finally stop telemarketing me. They were calling me sometimes twice a week, and never headed requests to stop calling.

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