No One Should Ever Use Simplisafe

Author: Ari Erenthal, Published on Dec 12, 2016

Simplisafe, the upstart DIY intrusion alarm system, is increasingly Public Enemy Number One in the alarm business.

Recently, Security Sales ran an article from Jeff Zwirn ripping SimpliSafe apart and concluding that essentially no one should use SimpliSafe:

The business of security is a serious one, and no one should ever be sold a product that provides a false sense of security or does not fully comply with nationally recognized industry standards and best practices.

The detail critique covered at least 10 different aspects including:

  • Product Design Objections - that the product is badly designed and thought out
  • Missing Certifications and Codes Conformance
  • Lock In

Inside, we examine each one assessing their accuracy and application, contending that the criticisms are overdone, reflecting the industry's desire to protect RMR.

**********, *** ******* *** ********* ***** ******, ** ****************** ***** ****** ***** *** ***** ********.

********,******** ***** *** ** *************** ************ ********** ***** *** ********** **** *********** ** *** ****** use **********:

*** ******** ** ******** ** * ******* ***, *** ** one ****** **** ** **** * ******* **** ******** * false ***** ** ******** ** **** *** ***** ****** **** nationally ********** ******** ********* *** **** *********.

*** ****** ******** ******* ** ***** ** ********* ******* *********:

  • ******* ****** ********** - **** *** ******* ** ***** ******** and ******* ***
  • ******* ************** *** ***** ***********
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******, ** ******* **** *** ********* ***** ******** *** ***********, contending **** *** ********** *** ********, ********** *** ********'* ****** to ******* ***.

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Simplisafe **********

***** *******, ** ***** ********** ********* ******* ********* ** ***** ***** professional ******* *** ****** ******** ****** ** ****** *** *******, like ** ****** *** ******* ****** *********.

*******, ********** ***** ** *********** ****** ** *** ***** ********, as **** ***** *****-** ***** ********** ******* ** ******* ***** into ********* ********* ****** **** **** ********* *********.** ******, ******* *** *** **** ******* *** ***** ******* marked ** ******* ******* ********** **** **** ****** **** *** incumbent ****** ***** **** ***** ************ **** ** ** **** ** ***** ********* ********** *****.

*** ****** ***** ******** ** ******** ** ********* ******* ******* (RMR) ** *** ***** ***** ** ***** *******'* ********* ** based ****** ******** ** *** **** ********* **** ********** ********* they **** ******. ** ********** ******* *********: "*** ** ** ***** *******’* **** ***** *** ** significantly **** ********* **** ** ***** *******’* ***** *****."

******* ************** *** ***** ***********

***** ********** ********** *** ******* *********** **** **** ***** *** certifications, ********* **** **, **** **, ** **** *** ** 985.

"*** ******** ****** ** *** **** ******; **** ******* ** required ** **** ** *** *** ******** *** ****-****** ******** of *** ****** **** ********."

*** **** ** **** (********** ********** ******* **********) ******* ** simply *** ********** ** **********. **** ******** ****** *** ************** have ******* **** ** *** **** ** ** ***** ***** and ******* **** *** **** ******* ********** **** ******* ** these *********. *******, ***** ***** *** ***** ****** *** ******** or *** ******** *** *** ******* **** ** *********** ************.

"***** ** ** ******* ** *** ******* ******* *** ********** requirements, ******* *** ********** ******* ******** ** ** **** *** UL ***."

** ********* ****** ****** ************ ** **********. ** **** ** ******* *** panel ***** ******, ***** ********** ** ***. ***** *** ************ available ******* ****** **** ** *** ******* ** ** ****, such ** *** ********** **** ******. ** *** ** ***, that ** *** ****** ***** ****** ** ******. ** ****** out ********** *** *** ********** ** ** *** **** ************ grade ***** ********* **** *** ***** ** ***** *** ***** Alert ** *** ******* ** ** *** ** ******.

"*** ******** ********** ***** ** *** ******** ********** *** *** listed, **** *** ******’* **** ******* *** *** ******* ******* do *** ******* *** ******* ****** ** *** **** *****."

** ****, *** **** ** ******* *** ****** ******* ** this ** *** ****. ************ ******** ****** *** ********* ************** *************** ****.

"** *** ********** ******, ** ****** *** ****** ****** ** tested ** * “*********” ********** ***** ***** *****, ***** **** from ******* ******** ** **** **. *******, *** **** ******* of ****, *** ***** **.*.*, ******** ****** *******. * ***** the *** *** **** ***** **, ******* *** ***** *** consumer ****? ***** * **** ** **** ** ***** ******* to ******* **** ****? * *** ******* ** *** *** that *** ***** **** ******* ***** ** **** ****."

*********** ****** ********* ** *** ********* ******* ****, ** ** is *** **** ** *********** ** **** **** *** **********.

Product ****** **********

"*** ***** ********** **** ******* ** ******** ** ** ******* in *** ****** ****. ****, ** ** **** *********** ** physical *********** ** ** ********, ***** ***** ****** *** ****** nonfunctional *** *******."

*************, * ***** ** *** ****** ********* ******. *** **** because ** *** ** ********* **** *** **** ** **** be. *** **** ******* **** *** **** **** * ******** product, ** ***** **** ** *** ********. *** ***** **** to ** ******** ******* *** ********** *** **** ******* ** the ******** ******* **** ** ***** **** *** ***** ** look *** **.

******* *** ***** ** * ************* ********** **** ** *** that ******** * ********. *** ****** ** ******** *********** **** mount * ***** ** *** ***** *******, ***** ****** *** keypad, *** *********** **** **** ****** ** ** ********* **** no ******** ** ***** ******* ****. ** **** ** **** likely **** ** ******** **** **** *** ******* ** ***** panel ** * ***** ******* **** ***** ***** **** ** find * ***** **** ***** **** * ******* ** *********.

"*** **** *******, ***** *** * **** ***** ** **, is *********** ** ** ******* **** * ******. ** *** unit ***** ** ********** ** ** ******** ** ****** ** nonfunctional."

**** ** **** *********** ** *** ***** ****** ********** ********* a **** ******, * ******** ** *****. ** ********, **** our ********** **** ** ******** **** ****** *** **** ******* or **** ** ******* ** ** **** ***.

"***** *** **** ** ****** ******** ** *** ** *** wireless ************. **, ** ** ******** ******** ***** * ***** window **** **** ********* * *******, ** ***** ****** ****** the ***** ** *** *********** ** **** ****** ** *** internal *******."

**** ** * ********* *********. *******, ******** **** ** ****** are *** ********, **** ** ************ *****, ***** *** ******** **** ******, ** **********, ***** *** ** ****** ** ***. ** *** ****, standard ****** ********** **** *** ********, ************ ****** ** ********. Since *** ********** *** ******** * *** ** **** ** door ********, ***** ****** ******* *****. **** ** ** ******** were ** ****** *** *******, **** ***** ** ******** ** the ***.

"*** ****-** ******* ** *** ******’* *********** **** ******** ** the **** ******* ** *** ******** ** ******* *** *********** means, ** ** *** ****** ** *********, ************ ** *********."

** ****, ********** ******** *** **** **** **** *****, * blinking **** *****, *** * ****** ************ **** *** ****** switches **** ** ******** ******* *** **** *** ******* **** low. ** *** **** ******* ** *** *** * ********** plan, *** ****** **** ****** *** **** *** **** **** the ****** ******** ** ******* ***** *** **** ** ******** back ** ******* *****. ** ****, **********'* ******* ***** ********** to * ************** ********* ******.

"********** ********** *** ***** ******** ***** ** *****. *******, ***** the ***** ** ****** ********, *** ** ********* ******** ** the **** *******, * ***** ** ** ** ******* ****** activations. *** ********, ***-********** ***** ** *********** ** ********** ** be *****."

** ******* ** **** ******** ** *** *******. ** * 1200 ****** **** ****** ***** ****, **** ******* ** ******** the *** ** *** ****, ** ***** **** *** ***** in ***** **** ** *** *****. ** ********* ** ***** on **********'* *******, ************ ** * ***** ** ***** **** nothing ** *** ** **, ***** ****** ***** ** ******** to ******** *** *****.

***** ** ** ******* ** *** ********** ****** ** ******** the *** **** ***** *** ********* ********** ** ** *** life-safety *******. ** ****** **** ** ***** **** *** **** station *** ** ******* ***** ********* ************* *.** ****** ** diameter ********** **** *** ******.

** **** **** ** ** ** ******** ********** *********, *** we ***** *****'* ******* ** **** ***. ********** ****** ****** let ***** ***** **** ** **** ***** ****** ** **** sure **** **** *** **** *** ***** ******** ** ***** bedroom, **** **** *** ***** ******.

"** * ******* *****, ***** *****, ***** ******** ** ** detector *********, *** ******’* ***** **** *** **** *** ********* capability ** ********** ***** **** **** *** ******** ***** ************ among *** ******* ** ********* ******."

**** ** *** ****** ** ********* *******, *** *** **** SimpliSafe ******* ******** ****** ****** *** ***** ******** ** '********* only' ********* **** ***, ******, ** ****. ** *** **** unable ** **** * ******************* ***** ******. ***** ***, **** ******* *** *** ******** even ** ************ ******* ***** ********** ********.

Lock ** ** ******* *******

"*********, ** ******, ********** ***** *** ********* ******* *** ** you ******, *** ****** ****** ** ********* ** *** ***** central ******* (****)."

**** ** * ****** ************ ** *********** ****** ****** *** board. *** *******, *** **** *** ******* ****! ******.

"**** ***** ********* **** ***** *** ******** ** ******** **** another ******* ******* ** *** ********** ** *** ********** ********."

** *******, **** ** *** ******** ****** ******** ********. *********** large *** ***** ******* ***** ***** ****** **** * ******* code, *** ********* ****** ** ******* ** ** *********, **** at *** *** ** ***** *********. ********* *** ****** ***** monitoring **** ***** ******* *******, *** ******* ******* ** ******* a *** ***** ********, ** ****** ***** **********.***************************************************************************************(***** **** **** ** * *** *********).

The **** *****: ****** ** ***

*** ***** ******** ****** ******** **** ********* ********* *** ****** code ********. ***********, **** ***** *** **** ********* *********** *********, *** ******* ******** ** ** *********** ** *** ***** industry's *********** ********* *** ********** ** ***** **** *********. *** arguments ******** ***** **** ***** *** *** ****** ** *** very **** ****** *** *****, ********* *** ****** ** ******* the ********.

** *** ************ ******* ****** **** ******* *** *********** **** **** ********* ******** ** *** **** ** ****** a *** ****** **** ** **********.

Comments (39)

Keefe Lovgren

IPVMU Certified | 12/12/16 04:36pm

******* **** ****** **** *** **** * ****** ****** ******* it ** * ******** ******, ** ******** ***** *** **** the ******* ** ****** * ******* ******* ********** *** ****** first.

** *** ****, ******** ****** ********** **** *** ********, ************ layers ** ********- ** **** ****, *** ****** ******* ****** up ** *** ***. **** ** ** ******** **** ** bypass *** *******, **** ***** ** ******** ** *** ***.

** *** ****** ********* **** **** ********** ** "******** *********" and ****** *** ***** ** "**** ****" ***** ****** ********* would ****** *** ********. *******, ** *** ***** **** * battery ** ******* *** ****** ***** **** ****** ** **** a ******* ********* ********** "**** ** ** ***********" **** **** sensor **** ** **** *** *****-**/*********. **** *** *** ****** fast ****** ** **** ********* ********** **** ** *******.

**** **** ** *** **** **** ****** * *** *** product ** ******* **** **********. * **** **** ****** ** find *** *********** ** ** ***** ****.

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Ari Erenthal

In reply to Keefe Lovgren | 12/12/16 05:20pm

****'* ******** ** ********* *****. ** *** ** * *** tell, ********** **** *** **** *** ******* ** ****** ******** followers. ** **** **** * **** *** **** ****.

Jack Sink

IPVMU Certified | 12/12/16 06:39pm

****'* ***** *** **** ** ***** ******** ***** *** ******** alarm ******* ***** *** * ****** ****** ** *********** ***********-******* integrators. ** * ******** ****** ******* *** *** ****** ******** I ***** ****** ******* **** **** ***.

** **** ******* ** ** ************ * ********* * ********** system ** ******* ***********, ******** *** ***** *** ** *** insight. ********* **** * *********** ***** **** *****, *** **** of ************ *** ************* (** ***) *** ******** ** ***** to ** ****** *********.

***** ** *********** ******** **** *********** ********* *** ***** **** don't **** ** ** **** ******* ** * ***** **** iron **** ******** ** *** *** *** ******** **** **** desire ** * ****** ********* *****. *** *********** ***** ******** has ******* **** ** ********* *** * *** ** ** having *** ********* ** ******* ******* *** ********-******** ************.

***, ***** ******* *** **** *** ********* **** ********** *** an ********** $*/***** **** ***** ******* *********.

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Ari Erenthal

In reply to Jack Sink | 12/12/16 06:44pm

**** **** **** ****** **** *******.

Keefe Lovgren

IPVMU Certified | In reply to Jack Sink | 12/12/16 08:41pm

***'* **** ** ** **** ******* ** * ***** **** iron **** ******** ** *** *** *** ******** **** **** desire ** * ****** ********* *****

**** ****** **** *** ***** **** *** *** ********** ********* department :)

***, **** ** * ***** ******* *** ********** ******* ** neutralizes

** *** ******** ***** * ** *** ******** ** ***** systems ** ****** ***** ******** ******* **** ****** ********* ** a ******* *** ******* *** *** ********. **** **** ** take ************* **** **** *** ******* *** **** **** ***** opportunities ** *** ****. ***** ** * *** ** **** to ** ******, * ***'* **** * ******* **** **.

** **** ** * **** ** **********, *** ****** **** decide **** ** ******** *** **** ***** **** *** ******* to ***. * **** ******** *** ********* ***** *** ***** into *** ********, ** ******** ************* ***** ****** *** ****** about *** *****.

Jack Sink

IPVMU Certified | In reply to Keefe Lovgren | 12/12/16 09:22pm

*****,

****'* ***** ** ******. :-)

*** ** *** **** ***** **** *********** *********** **** ** the ***** *** **** *** ****, **** ******* **** *****'* a *** ********. ********* *** ** ***, *** *** ******** has ** *** ** **** ** ***** ****** *** ****** monitoring ******* ****. *** ******** ** ****** ** ***** ** DIY *********** ******* *** ***** *** ******* ******* *********** *******, doing **********/*************/************ ******* **** ** ****'* ** *******.

** **** **** ** * ****** ** *** * **** from *** ** ** *********** ******* ********* **** * *** a ******* **** ********. **'* *** **** ** *** *** more ******** *** *********** ****** ********* *** ******* *** ***** nationals ** ***** **** ** *** **** ** ***.

Undisclosed #1

12/12/16 07:46pm

******* **. ***** ** **** ** * **********, *********, **** a ****:

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Ari Erenthal

In reply to Undisclosed #1 | 12/12/16 07:59pm

**** ****!

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Ethan Ace

IPVM | In reply to Undisclosed #1 | 12/12/16 08:02pm

***** **** **** ** ********* **** ** "********"? (*:**)

* ***** ********** ** ******** *** ******** ***** *****. *** vague ********** **** **** **** ** ***** **** ****'** ******* quality. ******* ** ********** *** ********** * ******** ******, *** intrusion ****** **** **** **** ****.

Undisclosed #1

In reply to Ethan Ace | 12/12/16 09:41pm

*** *** ******* ****** ******* ** *** ********* ****** ** considered ********?

John Honovich

IPVM | In reply to Undisclosed #1 | 12/12/16 08:24pm

****'* ********* **** ** * * ***** ****** *** ********* / *********:

Undisclosed #1

In reply to John Honovich | 12/12/16 09:38pm

*** ********** ******* ****** ******* ***********, *** ********* *** *., shown **** **** *** **** ******.

John Honovich

IPVM | In reply to Undisclosed #1 | 12/12/16 10:09pm

*** **** ************ *** '******** ** *********, * ***** ***, they **** **** ****** ** **** ** *** *********'?

*** ** ********* *** ****** * *** ********* ***?

Undisclosed #1

In reply to John Honovich | 12/12/16 11:26pm

*** **** ************ *** '******** ** *********'?

*** ********** **** *** ** ** ;)

*****, ** *** ***** ****, *** * ********* **********:

****** ** **ordinary ********, I recently purchased a SimpliSafe package in order to forensically investigate if claims about its products...

****'* ******* ******* ***** ***** ***** ******, ***** ***** ******** says '*********' ** *** ******* ****, ******* **** ****** "************ ******.", *** ******** **** ** *** ******* **** ******** of *** '*********** ** *********'...

** *** ***** ***** ***** **** ** *** ****** *********? My ***** ** **** *** ****** **** **** ****** *** product **** *** ******* ****... ***** *******...

** **** *** *** *********** ** *********?

** ***'* ** **** ** ***** *** *** **** ******* if

  1. *** ***'* **** ********* **
  2. *** ***'* **** **** **** ***** **
  3. *** ***'* **** **** **** *****
  4. **** ******* **** ***** ** *** ** ****** ****
  5. *** ******** ****** **** ** **** *** ******* ** *** detectors.

*** ***** * ** ***** *** ******* ******* *** ******'* stop ****** **** **********. *** *** *** ** ****, *** the ********** ***** ** "*** ****** *******".

*** ** ******, ***** ******* '***********' *** **** ****** ** that ********* **** **** *** ******* ** ***** ******.

*** ** **** **** ******, **** ***** **** ***** *** small **********:

*. *** ***** *** *** ** ***** ** *** ** the * ** ********* ** *** ******** ***.

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Ethan Ace

IPVM | In reply to Undisclosed #1 | 12/12/16 11:31pm

*********/********* ***'* *** ** *********. **** *** *.** *******-*** *********. You ***'* **** ***** ********* ** *** ********.

Undisclosed #1

In reply to Ethan Ace | 12/13/16 12:09am

*********/********* ***'* *** ** *********.

******** **** **. ** ** **************** ****** **** ** *** **** ** *** ******* *** the *******.

******, ****** ** **** ***, ** **** **** ** * pain ** *** ****.

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Ethan Ace

IPVM | In reply to Undisclosed #1 | 12/13/16 12:30am

*** ********* *** ************. ** **** **** ***, * ***** you ***** * *** ***** ******** *** ***'** **** ** business. * ********* * **** ***'* ********* **** *** **** once ** ***'* **** *** *** **** ** ****** *****.

*** ***, ** ** * **** ****** *** ************ ** means **** **** ******, *.* *****. *** ******** *** ******* referred ** ** ******. * **** * ***** **** ****** flashlight **** ***** **** ****.

Undisclosed #1

In reply to Ethan Ace | 12/13/16 01:24am

*** ***, ** ** * **** ****** *** ************ ** means **** **** ******, *.* *****.

* *** **** ***** ** **** **** **** ** ***** video:

****** **** * *** ** ** ******* * * *********, I ***** ****** * **** ******'* ** ** ******* * battery *****.

*** ****'* ** **** **** * ******.

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Sean Nelson

Nelly Security | 12/12/16 09:35pm

** **** ***** ***** *** ** ***** ****** ** *********** business *****.

*** ** **** *** **** **** *********? *** **** ****** licensed ** *** ** ****** *** ******* ******* **********. * know ** ******** *** ******** ** ******* ******* ******* ********** to ********* ****** *** *** ******** **** *** *****. ** course **** ***** *** **** ** ******* ********** *** ********** for *** *** ******* ******* ** ******* ******** *******, ** I ** ******** ** *** ********** *** **** **** ****.

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Brian Rhodes

IPVMU Certified | In reply to Sean Nelson | 12/12/16 09:44pm

********** ********* *** **********. *** ********, *** * **** **** of *** **, ********** *****.*.*.*.(** ******* #***).

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Sean Nelson

Nelly Security | In reply to Brian Rhodes | 12/12/16 09:47pm

*** **, ******!

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Sean Nelson

Nelly Security | In reply to Brian Rhodes | 12/12/16 09:51pm

*** **** * ***** ***** ****, **** ** ***** ********* contract *** *** ********** *****? ** *****, *** **** ********** get **** **** **** *** *** *** ***** ********* ******* a ******* ******. ** ** ******* *** **** ********* ** the **** *****? ** ** ***** **** ****.

** *** ** *************, **** ******* ******** ***** ******** ** provide ********** ** ****** ***** **** ******** **********

Jack Sink

IPVMU Certified | In reply to Sean Nelson | 12/12/16 10:09pm

*** ********* **** ***** ** ******* ********* **** *********, ************* or ********* ********** ********* *** ******* ******** *** ************. *** end **** *** ******* ***** *** ********* **********, ** **** SimpliSafe ** *********, ******* * *******.

******* ******** **** ******* ********** *** ********* ****** ******** **** wish ** ***** *** ***** * ****** ** ***** *** I ****'* **** ** *** *** *********** ******* ******* **** served *** *** **** *******. **** ******** *** *** ***** is ******* ** ******* ***** ***** ********* ***** **** *** monitoring.

** ** *********, *.*.*.*. ** ******** ** ***** *****. **** also **** *********** ********** ** * "*****" ******* ******* ** backup *** **** ************* **** *** ***** **** ******* * "local" ********** ******* ** **** ** ******* **** ******* **** relayed ** *** ***, *** ******** ******* ******* ********.

Undisclosed Integrator #2

12/27/16 05:17am

******* ***** ** ******** * ****** ** ******** ******* *** a ******* ****** ******** ********** ********* **** **********, ********* *********, motion *********, ***.

**** ** **** ** *** ***-*** ***, **** ********* ***** Videofied ******* *** *** *** ****** *** *** ********** ** the **** ** ****** *** **. **** ***** *** ***** and ****'* ******...**** ****. ** ************** ******** *** ***** *** products ** ******* $** *******!

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Mark Jones

02/21/17 05:36pm

******** ****** *** *** *** *** * **** **** ** our ******, ** ** ***** **********. * *** *** *** alarm ******* ** *** **** ***** ** *** ***** *******. Not ** *** **** ** *********, * ***'* ******** *** video ** ** ************ ************. ** **, *** *** **** part, * ******** *********** ******, *** **** **** ************* **** a ***** ******** ******. **** ****** ********, *** * ***'* mean ** ** **. ** *** ** *** **** **** ridden ***********, ***** ** ** *** ****** ** *** **** world...there ** * **** *** ***** **** ***. *** ******** wants ** *** ****** * ****** ** ** ******.

***** ***** *****, *** ***** ******* *** *** ************ ********* detection ******* *** ****** ** ****** **** ** ****. **** are ** **** ******** ************ *** ** ** **********, **** unreliable, ******** *** ****** ******* ** *** ********* ******.

* ***** ***** ******** **** ****, *** *** *** **** DIY ********* *** *** ********* ******* ** ****. **** ** not *** *** ******* **** ** ********* *** ** **** cases *** *******, ***** ********* ***** *** ******** * ******** system. * ** *** ******* * *** ** ******** ** the *** ******, *** ** * **, ** ** ******** I ****** ***'* **** ******.

*** ***** * ** **** ********* ** ** *** ******* is *** ******* **** *** ****** ********. **** ** ******* merit ** ******* *** ****** **** * ***** ***** ***** is ********* * *** *****. ***** ** ***, *** ** just ** ******* **** **** ******** ***. * ***** ******* of *** ********* *** ********, *** *******. ******, ********** **** cost ***** *** **** ** *** ***** *******. ******* ******** are ******* ** * *********** ** *** ******** **** ***** than *** ******* *** ********* ********* ****** ********** ***** ****** budgets. ***** ***** ** * *** ** ********** ** * Central *******, ***** *** ***** ****** ***** *** ***** ****** expect ** *** ****. **** ******* * **** ********* ******* in * ************ ****** *** **************, *** ** *** *** out **** ** ** *********. ******* ******** **** ***** ** do *** ** ****. ** ***** **** *** ******* *** install *** ******** *** ******. *** ********* *** **** *** installing *******. **** *** *** ******* ******** *** ** ** monthly. ** * ***** **** ****, * ****** ** ** paid *** ****. ** ** **** ****. * ** *** a **** (*** ***** ****** ******** ***). ** **** ******** equipment *** ******** **** ***** *** ***, ** * ****-****** economy, *** **** *** ****** ****** ** *** *** ********. They **** ** **.

** *** ******* *****, ** ***'* *** ****. *** ******** owns *** ****** (** ***'* ***** * ******* ***** **** includes *** *********). * ***'* **** * ******** **** **** not **** ** ** ****. *** *** **** **** ******* you **** **. ** **** ** **** ** ***** ********* every ***. * ***'* **** * *** ******* **** ******* codes ** **** ** *** ****** ** *** **** ***. Once ******* ** ********, ***, ** ****** ** ******** - for ****.

*** ***** ******* ******** ****** ** ********* (** ***'* *** I ********** **** * *** **** ***'*). *** ********* **** to *** *** ********* *** *** ********* *** ******. *** contract ** **** ***** **** *** * ***** *********** ** liability ****** ** *** ******* ********. ********* *** ********** ********* in *** ********* ***********. **** **** ****** ****** ******* *** owners ************** ** ****, *** ******** ** ******* ******, **** do **** **** **************.

** *** ** *********** *** *********, **** ** ********* *** same ********** **** ***** ** ******** **** ** *******; **** want **** ** ***** ***** ** ** **** **** ******* out ********* ** ******. **** **** * ***, *** **** on ***** *****, ***** ***** ***. **** ***** ***** ***** TV ** ****** *********** *** **** ** ***** **** ******* out ** * *** **** ** ****** ****-**-****. * **** millennial ******** *** * **** ****, *** **** *** *** always ***** ******.

***** ** * *** ***** ** ********: (**% ** **** customers ******* **% ** **** *********). **** ******** *********** **** honestly **** *** **** *** ****** *** *** ** **** lowest ********** ********* ********. ** **, ** *** ******** *****, that ** *** ***'**. *** ***'* **** ***** *** ***** had. **** ** ********.

John Honovich

IPVM | In reply to Mark Jones | 02/21/17 05:43pm

****, ********** ********, ******!

** *** **** ******* *****: "*** ***** * ** **** ********* ** ** *** ******* is *** ******* **** *** ****** ********." **** ** **** specifically ***:

*** ***** ******** ****** ******** **** ********* ********* *** ****** code ********

Jeff Zwirn

01/11/18 04:19pm

** ***:

* **** **** **** **** ***** ** ****'* ******* *** the ********* ** ****. ***** ****, * **** ** ********* my ********* ***********. ** *** ******, * ***** **** **** will ****** ** ** **** * *** ** ***** ** same ** **** ****, ***** * ******** *** *******.

************ ********

******* *. *****,********* ********** ************, ********* **** ********** **********, ********* ***** ********, Fellow ** *** ******** ******* ** ******** *********, ********* ** Homeland ********-***** **, ****** *********** ********** ***** ** ********* ** Fire **********, ********* ******** ************, ****** ******* ***** **********

Jeff Zwirn

01/11/18 04:34pm

** * ****** **, *** **** *****, * **** * would **** **** ******* ** *** **** ******* ** **** time, **** * ***** **** ********* ******. ** *** *****, I **** ** ********** *** ******* ***** ** * **** disconnect ******* **** **** ****** **** ***** *** *** ******** code ************ ***** *** ********* ************* *** ******** ** ****** with; ********* *** **** *******, *** ******** ********** **** ( NEC), ** **** *** **************** ****** *** *** ******** *******.

********* **** ** *** ******** ****** *** **** ********* ** well.

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Undisclosed Integrator #3

01/11/18 04:35pm

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Jeff Zwirn

01/11/18 06:56pm

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Undisclosed Integrator #4

In reply to Jeff Zwirn | 01/11/18 07:45pm

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Brian Rhodes

IPVMU Certified | In reply to Undisclosed Integrator #4 | 01/11/18 07:49pm

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Undisclosed Integrator #4

In reply to Brian Rhodes | 01/11/18 07:50pm

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Brian Rhodes

IPVMU Certified | In reply to Undisclosed Integrator #4 | 01/11/18 07:53pm

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Undisclosed #1

In reply to Jeff Zwirn | 01/12/18 05:39pm

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Greg Karpinsky

01/12/18 05:04am

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Jeff Zwirn

01/12/18 11:38pm

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Undisclosed #1

In reply to Jeff Zwirn | 01/13/18 12:00am

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*** **** *** *********** *** **** **** ** **** ****?

Jeff Zwirn

01/13/18 12:02am

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