SIA Lobbyists Working On House Bill Ban of Dahua and Hikvision

By: IPVM Team, Published on Jul 10, 2018

While SIA is most known for ISC West, SIA maintains the industry's most significant lobbying organization to influence US government action. Last year, their lobbying succeeding in removing Buy America protection for IP cameras by arguing that an IP camera is a 'DVR with a lens'. Now, they are working on the House Bill Ban of Dahua and Hikvision.

In this note, based on feedback from SIA, we examine SIA's approach to the House Bill Ban, what concerns they are raising, how their large members, including Dahua, Hikvision, and their OEMs, are impacting their approach, what IPVM is doing with SIA and what you can do to influence SIA's lobbyists.

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Comments (16)

I for one and glad to see John on a SIA committee.  I hope next is ASIS (GSX) and then ONVIF. 

With ONVIF, you have to pay $10,000 to $20,000 per year (see membership levels) to have any influence. I am not sure that's worth it.

But I am not against participating in ONVIF or ASIS, just would need to figure out what objectives to pursue.

I also look forward to getting feedback from John on this.  Currently I view SIA by their description above as a group made up mostly of representatives of manufacturers looking to forward their own agenda for profit.  Call me a pessimist, but their claim to want to give the "industry" a voice by lobbying political bodies seems to be more in their (the manufacturers) own best interest and not that of the "industry".  Just my two cents.

 

but their claim to want to give the "industry" a voice by lobbying political bodies seems to be more in their (the manufacturers) own best interest and not that of the "industry".

 

I agree about that. SIA has a tendency to talk about speaking for the 'industry' but it often really reflects the interest of the largest companies, which can be at odds to those of the average integrator or end user.

On the plus side, their structure, from what I have seen, is fairly open to outsiders. So let's see what happens.

I do think government action / involvement in video surveillance will increase, especially with the rise of AI that creates far bigger ethical and legal questions than traditional video surveillance which 99%+ of which was never looked at or analyzed.

John,
Have you seen Hikvision and Dahua using their substantial resources to combat this effort with lobbyist as well?

I agree. These organizations seem to be a way to use advocacy to push the agenda of their larger members to kill their competition.

 

 

One thing various SIA staff have emphasized to me is the importance of SIA not being used to harm competitors.

To the extent that SIA advocates what it does, I think it more reflects who participates. We'll see. We'll participate and report back our experiences.

You guys really walk the walk.  Joining the SIA - whoda thought?  Well played!

Wouldn't you be more valuable as part of the Standards Committee, John? 

They are not mutually exclusive. But what standards do you want us specifically to contribute to? OSDP? Rhodes would be best for that. Other thoughts?

The most pressing need I can think of right now is a standard for wide-angle, panoramic, and multi-imager cameras. These types of cameras are not covered in the Digital Video Quality Handbook (a document that is actually very well written and holds up surprisingly well, even today). 

I think that handbook is from DHS, not SIA? Related: DHS.gov Digital Video Quality Handbook

It is a DHS publication, but it was authored by the SIA digital video subcommittee. I believe Steve Surfaro was the lead author of that document. He is listed as the lead author of the Appendix, at least, and the subcommittee lists it as one of their accomplishments.  

Good to know, I'll talk with our guys about who is best to be on that committee.

I would imagine this is a significant event considering how much marketing money from Hikvision and Dahua dump into ISC West and other SIA events.

I don't think it's that big overall. While Dahua will (bizarrely) have the biggest ISC West 2019 booth (see floorplan) along with (Dahua OEM) Honeywell, there is quite a diversity of manufacturers at ISC West (800 / 1000 / however many manufacturers). Indeed, Axis and Hanwha, who I can only imagine are not against the ban, also have big booths.

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