Manufacturers And Reed Speak on Planned July 2020 ISC West

By John Honovich, Published Mar 11, 2020, 10:56am EDT (Info+)

Last week, the drama of the March 2020 ISC West cancellation transfixed much of the industry. Now, with the planned July 2020 edition, many are wondering what will happen.

IPVM gathered extensive feedback from Reed Exhibitions, the show's organizer and from 200+ manufacturers about what they expect in July, including:

  • Projected show attendance from Reed and from manufacturers
  • Key drivers helping and hurting a planned July 2020 show
  • What happens to manufacturers who cancelled already for ISC West
  • Possibility of credits or refunds for exhibitors to future shows (e.g., 2021)
  • Concerns over how the cancellation / postponement was handled
  • What manufacturers think about the planned July 2020 show
  • Potential for cancelling the July 2020 show

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Comments (64)

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Brandon Scott

Esentia Systems, Inc.
03/11/20 03:05pm

I think July is a horrible time! Most people already have summer vacations planned and Vegas will be more crowded than normal because of this.

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Undisclosed Manufacturer #1

03/11/20 03:13pm

I really like reports like this, that gather the general consensus and provide valuable insights from different people.

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Bryan McGee

03/11/20 04:38pm

However, on the negative side:

I would add:

Many of the contractors that assemble/disassemble the massive booths may not be available on short notice. I suspect they plan their schedules at least a year in advance.

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Undisclosed Manufacturer #2

03/11/20 05:01pm

The WHO has officially declared it a pandemic which I believe invokes the cancelation/refund clause in the contract.

The WHO Just Declared Coronavirus COVID-19 a Pandemic | Time

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Rick Caruthers

Galaxy Control Systems
03/11/20 05:47pm

I'm concerned with the fact that they only mentioned July as the postponed time, not a particular date range in July..I guess I'm thinking that they are unsure that it will happen at all in July or else release the dates..IFSEC announced the postponed month and dates immediately..

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John Honovich

IPVM | In reply to Rick Caruthers | 03/11/20 06:07pm

unsure that it will happen at all in July or else release the dates

Checking with Reed.

I just checked with the Sands and a representative said that "show management has not provided them the dates yet."

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Rick Caruthers

Galaxy Control Systems
In reply to John Honovich | 03/11/20 06:33pm

Does the fact that WHO has declared a pandemic change things? Meaning this could be what they needed to meet the contractual obligation for their insurance of they make a claim for loss of revenue after canceling the show??

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Undisclosed End User #3

03/11/20 06:20pm

Personally i do believe that the show should be cancelled until 2021 due to the nature of the worlds affairs. But, I do have a couple of immediate concerns.

1. Everyone seems to be discussing how the Exhibitors are being treated / handled in this situation. What about the Attendees? I know it's easier to get statements from the companies. But it would be nice to know what the attendees think of this.

2. I as an attendee have not received any e-mail or communications from Reed, SIA, or anyone for that matter that the show has been postponed. I had to hear it from IPVM. Granted it's another great reason why i subscribe to IPVM. But still.

Just my two loonies worth.

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John Honovich

IPVM | In reply to Undisclosed End User #3 | 03/11/20 06:58pm

#3, thanks for your good first comment!

We can definitely get statements from attendees. We did manufacturers here because they have the most money involved and their actions can drive the event.

We do survey attendees, e.g., in Cancel or Not? Industry Split Over ISC West we found lots of integrators were cancelling for the March show. The general pattern we found is that attendees are more likely to cancel since they have less money to lose while it is harder for exhibitors since Reed has a lot of their money.

Reed did give feedback on one attendee related matter:

Attendee expo hall and conference passes will rollover to ISC West July 2020.

That makes sense. The challenge is how Reed will be able to tell what percentage of these attendees will still come in July?

I as an attendee have not received any e-mail or communications from Reed, SIA, or anyone for that matter

You probably did or at least one was sent to you but the mass email was confusing because the title totally hid the cancel/postponement. Here it is below from last Friday:

It's buried in the last 2 lines of the first paragraph.

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Undisclosed End User #3

In reply to John Honovich | 03/11/20 08:14pm

Hi John,

I did not receive that e-mail. I have checked my spam / junk folders, and nothing from ISC West. May be a glitch, but nothing here. Hopefully i'm one of the few that did not receive it.

Thank you for the reply.

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Brandon Scott

Esentia Systems, Inc.
In reply to Undisclosed End User #3 | 03/11/20 08:16pm

Neither myself nor my colleagues have received any official email cancellation and I've been registered with ISC with the same email for 15 years now.

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John Honovich

IPVM | In reply to Brandon Scott | 03/11/20 09:04pm

Brandon, Reed says:

An email was sent to everyone. Even ISC customers who had not registered for ISC West ‘20, just to make sure we didn’t miss anyone

I believe that, e.g., I was not registered for '20 and I received it.

The challenge with email is deliverability, spam, unsubscribes, etc. Also, the uninformative title likely cause many who receive it to overlook it.

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Brandon Scott

Esentia Systems, Inc.
In reply to John Honovich | 03/11/20 09:07pm

We've checked junk email - nothing there. Its not a big deal at this point - thanks for the reply.

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Undisclosed #11

IPVMU Certified | In reply to John Honovich | 03/12/20 08:29pm

...the mass email was confusing because the title totally hid the cancel/postponement.

also, the buried statement itself is written in a matter-of-fact, by-the-way, fyi, icymi voice,

ISC West, scheduled to be held March 17-20, will now occur in July...

like it's a minor scheduling conflict:

The Sammy Awards Presentation scheduled to be held Marco Polo Room at 7:30, will now occur in the Galileo room (across the hall)...

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John Honovich

IPVM | In reply to Undisclosed #11 | 03/12/20 08:41pm

buried statement itself is written in a matter-of-fact, by-the-way, fyi, icymi voice

Usually, that is the result of a company being afraid, so they try to bury it. I agree about how oddly it sounds, like your example of the lol Sammy Awards.

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Undisclosed #4

03/11/20 08:10pm

Why are the July dates not being published yet? They either have a space/location agreement, or they do not. If they have the agreement, people need to know ASAP to start planning travel and logistics around these dates. If they do NOT have confirmed days, then they shouldn't be setting any expectations yet.

This event is becoming a test of "how bad can we make ISC West 2020".

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John Honovich

IPVM | In reply to Undisclosed #4 | 03/11/20 08:17pm

people need to know ASAP to start planning travel and logistics around these dates.

If you are booking flights for July now, you are gutsier than me lol

But your point is well taken, I have asked them when they expect to announce specific dates.

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Undisclosed #4

In reply to John Honovich | 03/11/20 08:19pm

I am not booking flights, but I am planning other marketing events, customer visits, new-hire timing, press release and product timing, etc. If not to specific days, at least to rough weeks and such. It would be helpful to know when exactly Reed/SIA think ISC West is going to be in order to gate some other decisions.

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Undisclosed Manufacturer #5

03/11/20 08:54pm

"Your Questions Answered", said the email I just received from ISC - but the top question was not answered (When in July?). Hmmm.

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John Honovich

IPVM | 03/11/20 09:22pm

One thing I forget to include is that we confirmed with Reed that they are still raising their price 3% for next year, with them noting: "The pricing will remain as is stated on the 2021 floorplan." Below is a comparison:

You may view the 2020 floorplan and the 2021 floorplan.

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Undisclosed #6

03/12/20 02:10pm

Does anyone know what is going on at Reed today?

I'm still being asked to prepare accordingly for July and instead, I'm sitting here utterly perplexed...so I thought maybe the IPVM community could provide some answers or advice...

NBA cancels until further notice....ISC West is a security show. And yes jobs depend on it and it makes up part of the security industry ecosystem and no doubt drives value within the security industry but it is not the NBA nor the Olympics, the Super Bowl...

And if the US travel ban is extended when many Schengen countries will not have reached their infection peak in 30 days does that mean no one from headquarters of Axis, Salto, Bosch, Boon Edam, the list could go on...can not attend? Or Reed will advise them to fly via London and Dublin? At least as the travel ban stands.

The delay to July (with no dates to shift travel or hotel bookings or ability to seriously mitigate and then plan accordingly) always seemed a little optimistic but surely now it's getting slightly less optimistic.

Or am I not understanding something that people maybe be aware of through dialogue with Reed? What am I missing here?

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John Honovich

IPVM | In reply to Undisclosed #6 | 03/12/20 02:34pm

does that mean no one from headquarters of Axis, Salto, Bosch, Boon Edam, the list could go on...can not attend?

This is a good point but I would emphasize that, even if they are allowed, I highly doubt that Europeans (especially Scandinavians) are going to sacrifice their short summer period to go to ISC West in July. While the US is heavy in vacation mode in July, it's nothing like I have seen in Europe where lots of companies nearly shut down in that time period.

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Undisclosed #6

In reply to John Honovich | 03/12/20 03:15pm

That is true but I think (not entirely sure) that Scandinavians start their vacations in June as that is often cited as a problem with the previous IFSEC dates in June. And then yes central Europe pretty much shuts down from mid-late July through August and even start September.

Some people yes will take a 3-4 week vacation...and who knows if they will be willing to shift plans to accommodate ISC. But some of those people would normally head to the Algarve or Adriatic Coast or the Spanish Costas...will they even be able to...

Uncertainty like never before...

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Undisclosed Integrator #7

03/12/20 02:42pm

Sorry to be "that guy" but:

*might not abate by July

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Undisclosed

03/12/20 03:29pm

what about psatec

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John Honovich

IPVM | In reply to Undisclosed | 03/12/20 03:31pm

PSA TEC is still planned for next month, with this statement:

PSA STATEMENT REGARDING COVID-19

The health of our integrators, vendors, staff and all PSA TEC attendees is our top priority. PSA’s TEC 2020 is planned to move forward as scheduled April 20 – 23rd. At present, we do not intend to cancel or postpone the show. PSA is looking at alternate options should the current situation escalate.

Our goal is to decide within a timeline that gives all attendees ample notice to adjust travel plans as needed. We will closely follow CDC guidelines, local and state public health authorities and the US State Department/Federal Government travel rules related to the COVID-19 virus. We appreciate your patience and support during this unprecedented time. We hope everyone remains healthy and safe.

That was from at least yesterday so I am pretty positive events overnight has changed that and they will shortly postpone / reschedule.

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Undisclosed Manufacturer #16

In reply to John Honovich | 03/13/20 08:34pm

This may have been posted elsewhere, PSA announced yesterday they were postponing.

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Brian Rhodes

IPVMU Certified | In reply to Undisclosed Manufacturer #16 | 03/25/20 03:51pm

To circle back on this, here's a link to the PSA TEC postponement. No make up dates yet scheduled.

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Undisclosed Manufacturer #9

03/12/20 05:50pm

Any news about World Game Protection?

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Undisclosed Manufacturer #9

In reply to Undisclosed Manufacturer #9 | 03/12/20 06:40pm

Nevermind just heard it was cancelled

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Undisclosed Manufacturer #10

In reply to Undisclosed Manufacturer #9 | 03/12/20 06:56pm

No update on their website or twitter, you get an email from them?

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Undisclosed Manufacturer #9

In reply to Undisclosed Manufacturer #10 | 03/12/20 07:00pm

Yeah our marketing team just forwarded it over to me. I would post here but then I couldnt be undisclosed lol

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Undisclosed Manufacturer #9

In reply to Undisclosed Manufacturer #9 | 03/12/20 07:53pm

Dear WGPC Delegates, Presenters, Sponsors and Exhibitors,

It’s with a lump in my throat that I have to tell you that we are postponing WGPC 2020, originally scheduled for March 23-26. In light of the data and information that has become available to us this week, especially in the last 24 hours, I feel this is the right thing to do given the current situation with the coronavirus outbreak. I am sorry for the inconvenience this may cause you.

We have rescheduled the show at the Tropicana Las Vegas for October 5-8, 2020. If you paid for a conference pass, expo pass, sponsorship or exhibition booth at WGPC 2020 March 23-26 your registration and fees will be rolled over towards participation at WGPC 2020, October 5-8. If you have any questions, please email or call Jo at 702-407-9900.

Jo and I are gutted by the postponement of our show and the disruption it may have caused you. We were really looking forward to a great event in 11 days and catching up with all of our friends. The last week has been tough but a lot of you have been gracious and supportive. We really appreciate it. It reminds us of how lucky we are and why the show must go on. With the extra time for practice, the WGPC 2020 (October version) show will not only go on - it will be even better.

I look forward to shaking your hand (yes, your hand) in October.

Sincerely

willy

Willy Allison

World Game Protection
Las Vegas, NV, USA

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Undisclosed End User #12

03/12/20 08:53pm

Canadian here -- we only get about ~16 weeks of summer. I am not spending any of that time cooking my face off in Vegas come July.

We are considering ISC east as an alternative.

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John Honovich

IPVM | In reply to Undisclosed End User #12 | 03/12/20 08:57pm

Lol, usually people go north in the summer, not south!

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Undisclosed #11

IPVMU Certified | 03/13/20 03:39am

Reed reimburses participants provides links to airline change fees...

As of March 12, 2020
We understand that the COVID‐19 virus may create travel challenges for our customers. Currently, many airlines are waiving change fees for new and previously booked travel.
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Undisclosed Manufacturer #13

03/13/20 08:51am

The new dates will be announced today but they are July 20-22nd

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John Honovich

IPVM | In reply to Undisclosed Manufacturer #13 | 03/13/20 11:36am

I asked them to confirm. If it's true, it would start on a Monday? And it would literally be the hottest days of the year in Vegas:

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Undisclosed #4

In reply to John Honovich | 03/13/20 11:58am

Seriously, just cancel it already. Reed has botched this so badly the show is going to be a disaster no matter what. Between the crappy dates and lingering Coronavirus impact, enthusiasm for this show is basically gone.

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Undisclosed #6

In reply to Undisclosed Manufacturer #13 | 03/13/20 11:48am

The new dates will be announced today but they are July 20-22nd

Is that a joke?

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John Honovich

IPVM | 03/13/20 01:20pm

Confirmed, ISC West has announced the dates - Monday through Wednesday July 20 -22nd:

We've added a poll:

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Undisclosed Manufacturer #13

In reply to John Honovich | 03/13/20 01:23pm

Told ya :)

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Undisclosed #11

IPVMU Certified | In reply to Undisclosed Manufacturer #13 | 03/13/20 06:23pm

last weeks farmers almanac forecast was pretty close...

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Brandon Scott

Esentia Systems, Inc.
In reply to John Honovich | 03/13/20 01:41pm

They wont be able to make everyone happy with the dates, have to make the best of the situation.

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Michael Miller

In reply to John Honovich | 03/13/20 03:29pm

Does anyone think this Covid-19 will be cleaned up by the end of July?

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John Honovich

IPVM | In reply to Michael Miller | 03/13/20 03:30pm

I am sure someone does. I don't know. I don't think so but don't know enough to know.

Let's assume Covid-19 is gone by June 1, just for argument's sake. The problem is still it's the hottest days of the year in the desert starting on a Monday. Even coronavirus free, that's very bad.

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Michael Miller

In reply to John Honovich | 03/13/20 03:54pm

I get its hot but did they move the show outside? There have been years at ISC where I never saw the light of day except going to and from the air port.

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John Honovich

IPVM | In reply to Michael Miller | 03/13/20 04:20pm

For those setting up booths without air conditioning it is an issue.

And for those having to travel to other hotels (i.e:, not the Venetian or Palazzo), it is an issue.

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Undisclosed Manufacturer #19

In reply to Michael Miller | 03/13/20 10:46pm

According to the math out there, COVID19 cases double every 6 days. In July, there will be tens of millions with the virus.

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IPVM | In reply to Undisclosed Manufacturer #19 | 03/13/20 10:48pm

The thinking is that social distancing and other containment measures + rising temperatures will drive infections down. The 'math' might be true absent efforts to stop it but the 'math' can be impacted by countermeasures.

Now, what happens in July, of course, remains to be seen.

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Undisclosed Manufacturer #14

03/13/20 01:40pm

Awesome, I get to burn a weekend in July setting up for the show. I hope my company just postpones until 2021.

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Undisclosed Manufacturer #17

In reply to Undisclosed Manufacturer #14 | 03/13/20 09:06pm

And so does the union at time and half.

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Undisclosed #6

03/13/20 01:49pm

Can you add a totally disgusted/dismayed option on that poll?

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Undisclosed Manufacturer #2

03/13/20 01:56pm

ISC West July - Reed/SIA Cash Grab

The July show is merely a mechanism to recoup revenue for Reed/SIA and will be the worst attended show, of this size, in history. We will not be exhibiting.

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Undisclosed #4

In reply to Undisclosed Manufacturer #2 | 03/13/20 02:01pm

I am 100% in agreement with you. This is nothing but Reed's attempt to try and hang on to exhibitors cash.

We are stuck exhibiting, don't want to lose our deposit, but seriously reconsidering ISC West 2021 in light of the absolutely malicious handling of ISC West 2020 by gReed.

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David Collins

03/13/20 02:05pm

Utterly disgraceful.

Are REED living on a different planet to humanity? Are they not reading newspapers, watching the news, listening to experts?

Shameful and shameless.

Why are they not doing the honourable, sensible and safe thing by simply cancelling, moving forward and preparing for 2021. Are they that gREEDy that they couldn’t bear refunding exhibitors.

All creditable health forecasters have stated that we (Europe and US) will be at peak-COVID-19 in June/July. What does REED know that the W.H.O do not?

Oh and one other thing.....if we have some global miracle and we all wish hard enough that this virus miraculously disappears who wants to go to Vegas in July......

If this wasn’t so serious it would be laughable

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Undisclosed #6

03/13/20 03:19pm

Based on predictions of the spread of the virus, the death rate and the age range of those most likely to die, many of us on this forum could be burying parents and other older love ones come July.

And so attendance numbers, floor space refunds, planned vacations, the heat in Las Vegas, etc. are certainly not top of my mind.

Money, career progression, and sales leads cannot bring the people you love back from the dead.

I would rather die myself than attend this utter disgusting, disgraceful debacle that puts money over human life otherwise known as ISC West. And not just this year, but any year thereafter.

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Brandon Scott

Esentia Systems, Inc.
03/13/20 03:33pm

John - please unsubscribe me from this thread, its filled with to many negative comments from "undisclosed" people.

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Undisclosed Integrator #15

03/13/20 06:20pm

John - please unsubscribe me from this thread, its filled with to many negative comments from "undisclosed" people.

Didn't you ask this before on another thread? At the bottom of your email from IPVM is this link.

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Undisclosed Manufacturer #18

03/13/20 09:07pm

Date finally announced. July 20-22. In the Mojave Desert. www.iscwest.com ... In July.

If Covid still seems to be around in those conditions, they could set up outdoor decontamination showers which people would probably use just to cool down and avoid heat stroke.

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Undisclosed Manufacturer #20

03/31/20 04:01pm

Is anyone else experiencing complete silence from Reed? For several years we've always dealt with our "sales contact", but now, emails and phone calls are not being returned.

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Undisclosed Manufacturer #2

In reply to Undisclosed Manufacturer #20 | 03/31/20 04:49pm

Crickets from Reed and we have been calling. It really makes it hard to have a good attitude about exhibiting next year.

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Undisclosed Manufacturer #20

03/31/20 05:56pm

From a logistics standpoint, it makes is very difficult to plan when there is no communication. There are other trade shows that everyone has to plan for and those others aren't giving us the silent treatment.

I'm trying to think of any other company that would avoid calls and emails to hide behind the fine print in their contract.

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Undisclosed

04/03/20 03:31pm

I have seen two emails to speakers and a CFP for ISC East this year and ISC West next year. I have been assuming the SIA portion of the ISC West organization is still active...

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