Background *** *** *** *******
** *** **** *****, both *** ** *** and *** ** *** have **** ********* ************** into ******* ***** ************ systems. ** *** ****, *** *** *************'* ****** *********** ****** in * ******-**** ******* city, **** *** ******** getting ******** ** *** facial *********** ****** ** 7 ******* ******** ** a ******* ********** ****** *** the *** ******* ******* and ****** ********. ** Dec ****, ****** ******** ************ ********* in *****'* *** **** Xinjiang ********, * ******** ************* into ******* ***** ** surveillance *** *****.
Specific ******* ********** *******
*** ******* **********, *** the**********-*** ****** *****, ******** ** **-*********** ******* ******* ** Chinese ***** ************** *****:

- "*******, *******"
- "***** **** ****** ********** about *****"
- "**** ****"
- "****** **** ** *** rankings ** **** ********* news"
- "******* ********* ********* *** a ****** *****"
- "********-****** ****** ** *** West"
*** **********, **-******* ********* ** the **** *** ******* government *************, ******* ** how ***** ********** ********* ******** **** '********** *********', '****-**********', '********* bitter ****', ***.
** ********, ** * totalitarian regime ***** *** ********** ********* *** their******** ******* ******** *** tortured, ** ** *** an *********** ********* ** debating issues ** ***** ******.
*** *** *** *** merited ** ******** ***** of ********* **** *** Editor-in-Chief ** *** ****** Times *******,* ***** ** *******, published ** *******, ********** *** ** the ********* ** ******** blocked ****** ** *****:
One ***** ** ****** - ********** *************
*************, *** ****** ***** did **** *** ***** of ****** ****** ***** attack, ** *** '*************' of ***** **********:
******* **** *****, * BBC *************felt ** ******* *** ************* ** *** ****** ******* in a test in Guiyang, Southwest China's Guizhou Province. [emphasis added]
**** ** ************ ********* to *** ***'* '****' of *****'* ****** *********** system ***** *** ******** was '******' ** **** '7 *******:

** *********** ** *** ******** coverage, *** ****** '****' was ********. * ****** walking ******* * ******-******* checkpoint ** ****** ** get ******, ** ******** ** the ******* ***** ***** on *** **** ***. ** a ********* ****, ** is *****. ** * 'test' ** *** ************* of * ******, ** is ************, ** ****.
Analysis ** ******* ********** ******* ******
****** **** *******, *** **** counterclaim ** **** *** Chinese **********'* ***** ************ systems *** **** **** Western ***** ************ *******.
*******, ***** *** * fundamental *********** - ***** of ********* *** ***** constraints.
***** ** *********
** *** ****, ** country *** ********* ******** near *** ***** ** video ********* / ****-**** facial ************ **** ***** is **********. ***** ****** recognition of ****** ***** ******* checkpoints ** ***** ********* (*.*., at *********** ** *** driver ********), ****** ************ of ************* ******** (*.*., people ******* ** ** the ******) ** ***** quite ********. ****** ***** have **** **** ****** and ******* ***** ***********, few ** *** ******* video ************ ******* *** attempting ** ***** ****-**** facial ************ ****** ***** cameras.
*** ***** ** ****** performance - ****** ************ has ************ ****** ****** over ***** ***** *** camera ******. ** *** past ****, *****, ** particular, *** ***** **** learning ** * ******** to ****** ************ ******** and *** ******* *** harder **** ** *** West ** ******* *****-***** facial ************.
***** ***********
*** ***** ***** ** legal ***********. ** *** West, ***** *** * variety ** ***** ******** that ***** **** ***** large-scale ****** ************ ********* ** attempt. *** *******, *****'* **** ************ "******* **** ** given ** ** ************ and ****** ********** ****", making ***** ***** **** facial ************ *********** ******* in *** **. *** in *** ** ***** of********, ***** ********* *********** Privacy ***, ********* ****** **** systems. ******, **** ******* ***** face ******* ******* (***** only ***** ******* ** one's **** ** ***** business) ******** ** ******** as ***** ******* ********:

****** ** *****, ************************* *** '******* ********'*** ********* ********** *******, a **** ****** ************ system ** *** **** is ****** ** **** significant ********, ********** ** how ** ** ****, when ** ** **** and **** ******** ******. And ******** **** ******. It ** **********. ****** millions ** ****** *** with ************ ****** ** different ****** *** ******* lighting **********, ****** **** look *****. ******** ******* ***** ******* based ** ****** ************ would ****** *********** *********** and ********.
*******, ************* **** ******* *** *** ***** ****** to *** *********** ** defend ***** ****** *** liberties. By ********, **** ************* and ******** *** *********** impossible ** *****. ********, children *** ***** ******** additional ******* ****** ** the **** ** ********** from ******** **********, ***** poses ********** *** **** facial *********** ***********. *** mere ****** ** **** lawsuits ***** *********** ****** broad ****** *********** ** facial *********** ******* ******* prevents **** ********* **** promoting *** ** ***** products ** **** ******.
*****,******, ************** *** ********* ********* in ******** ****** ************ of ***** **** *********** algorithms ** ******** **** by ******** *********. ***** lawsuits **** *** ********* for ******** ** **** systems ** *** ****, and **** ********** *** smaller ********** ** ***** technologies *** **** ** avoid similar *********** *** ********* for ***** ******.
*******, *** ***** ***** made ** **** ******* media ******* *** ********* the ******** **** ****** the ******** **********.

**** ** * *********** rejoinder, *********** ******'* ******** ********** ******** in *** ****** ** millions, ** ******** ******** to *** *** *** WSJ's *******.
Impact ** ***** ************ ********
**** ****** ******* *** controversies *** ******** ** be **** *** *** Chinese ***** ************ ************* nor *** *** ******** at *****. *** ***** and ********* ************ ***** connected ** **** ******* that **** **** ** unethical ** *** **** does *** **** ***** branding '********'. ********, ** the ****** *** ****** views ***** ************, **** these ******* *******, ** being **** '*******' **** rather **** *** ***** protection ***** ***** **** barriers *** ******** **** expansion ** ****** ***** surveillance *******.
'Skynet' ******
*** ******* ********* ******** * ********** *****:
** ** *********** **** the **** "******" ** chosen. ** ** *** name ** ** **** organisation **** ********* ***** [sic] ** *** ** the ********** *****.
***, *** ** *** **** that *** ****** *** simply '***********' *** ************.
Comments (25)
Undisclosed Manufacturer #1
Just to make this clear, James Cameron's Skynet was first, the chinese copied it (like many other things too). I'm not sure if copying a doomsday scenario is a smart move :)
Thanks for the news IPVM!
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Undisclosed Manufacturer #3
When I saw the topic title, IPVM always mentioned the two giant companies in China is related to Chinese government and now IPVM directly wrote Chinese government is angry with Western media. Not worth a read.
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John Honovich
To clarify, IPVM does mention Hikvision related to the Chinese government because Hikvision's controlling shareholder is the Chinese government. We do not mention Dahua in the same manner because they are not.
Thanks for the feedback. Anything else, please share.
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Undisclosed Manufacturer #4
I just wonder whether other electronic products made in China will have spillover effect from security cameras...
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Undisclosed Distributor #7
When will Americans wake up? People refuse to buy any other brand besides Dahua and Hik, and then they complain about it, or are too ignorant to realize you're not buying Chinese goods, you're selling America to them.
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Tim Pickles
01/08/18 03:28pm
People are not refusing to buy other brands at all. It's a free world and free market economy - people choose to by Dahua and Hik. Don't confuse the integrator with the end user. If your customer is loyal and respects your company, they will go with whatever you propose - that's your job.
Integrator's buy whatever they feel is commercially best for the project and their company - taking into consideration product support, fitness for purpose, commercial offering and their own level of technical expertise.
An old adage is that if you win a customer on price - you will lose them on price. So the Dahua/Hik solutions needs to deliver as well.
No matter what is said on the forum, Hikvision has a place within the market at various levels. But there are times when it's not suitable. The integrity of the integrator is to establish the customer requirement and present them with the best value solution that fulfills their needs.
Anecdotally, I'm just wrapping up a tender where I have chosen a Tecton NVR/VMS and Panasonic cameras (neither were specified BTW) - even though we're a Hik partner, because I believe this is the best solution. For the patriots out there Tecton is designed and manufactured in the UK.
So no, it's not about Americans being ignorant at all - it's about choice within a free market and integrator's doing their job.
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Tim Pickles
01/08/18 05:52pm
That's a fair comment and as you say rather than looking at China causing the problems - consider the purchaser (US, UK or wherever), as the cause.
The western manufacturing base started being eroded decades ago - this is not a new problem. Throwing in erroneous conspiracy claims and governmental participation only detracts from the facts of life that the west will always find it challenging to produce goods at levels that far east can. The waters are being muddied with anything people can get their hands on to discredit the success of Hik and alike. Yes, sometimes they make it easy - but other times the vitriol is unjustified and based on myth, fear and ignorance.
As you say, and I totally agree, you need to vote with your feet. If you want a domestic product then buy it and use it - it's as simple as that.
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