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- "**'* ******* ** ** so ** *** ******** if *** ** *** have * *******."
- "*%. **** ** ** installations *** ** *************, which ** * **** consent *****."
- "** *** ***** ** is ******* *** *** to ****** ***** ******* prior ******."
- "******** *** **** ****** laws ********* **** *** be ******** ** **** customers **** ****** **** from **."
- "** *** **** *** enforcement ****, *** ********* our ***** **** *** allow **."
- "***** ********* ** *** legal ** *****"
- "**** ******* **** *********** make **** **********."
- "***** ** *** ******* to ** ******** **** unless ******* ********** ** client *** ******* *** to ** ******."
- "*%, ***** ********* ******* consent ** ******* ** Canada."
Discomfort *** ***** ***********
*******, **** **** *********, integrators ******* ****** **** recording ***** ** ******** due ** ***** ** executing ** ********, *** the ******* ******'* ********** of ********** *****:
- "********* *** *** ***** interested ** ********* ***** and *** ***** ************* scare **** ** ****."
- "*%. ******* ******* **** and ******* ******* ***** GDPR ***********."
- "*%, * ** *** fully ********** *** *********."
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- "* ***** *** **** regarding ***** ********* *** not ***** ********** ** everyone."
- "** *******, ***** ********* is "**** ****", ** nobody ****** *****."
- "***** ********* ** * niche *********** *** **** people *** ****** ** having ***** ******** ****** special *************"
- "****. *** ****** **** is *** *********** ********* audio."
- "** ********* *** ***** they **** *** ********** but **** ************ ***** me ** ******* *** audio."
- "** ******* *** ********* skittish ***** ***** **********, and * ********** ** strongly ****** ***** ** a ****** **** ****** in ***** ** **** managers *** ****** *** stress ** ******* ***** employees **** ****."
- "** **** ********* *** about ********* ***** *** typically **** *** **** down ** ***** ***** department."
Mixed ***** *** ***** *********
** *** **, *** laws ********** *** ************ to ****** ***** **** state ** ***** (*** **** *****), ******** **** ********** (ie:************* ** *******) ******** prohibit **. ** *** majority ** ** ******, one ** *** *************** generally ******** *** ************ and ******* ** ** be ***** *** ***** recording:
- ******-***** *******: ** ***** ** be ******, *** ******** party ******** ** *** recording **** *******. ** most *****, *** *** user *** **** *** surveillance ****** ** *** consenting *****, *** ********* can **** ***** ******* additional **********. ** *******, 40 ******/********* *** '****** party' *************, ******** *** matter ** ********** **. 'in ******' *** ******* or *** *** ************ could ** ***** ******* special ********* *** ******* qualify ********.
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******, *** ********** *******, signage, *** *********** ****** for ********-***** ******* ***** complicate ******* ** ****, it ** *********** ***********.
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No ******** ****** *** *****
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- "****. *** ****** ** customer."
- "***** ** *** ** important ** *** ****** base."
- "**** **** *%. ******* did *** ******* *****."
- "**** **** *%. **** customers *** *** ****** for **."
Audio **** ** ****** ********* ***** & ********* *****
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- "* ***** ** ****** 1% ** *%. ***** recording ** * ***** requirement *** **** ****** are ****** ** ****** audio ******** ****** ******* circumstances **** ** ****** and ********* ************."
- "*** **** ******** ** ours **** ******** **** audio ** **** ** PD ********. ** ** booking ***** **** ***** as **** ** ********* rooms."
- "** *** ****** ****** police ***********. **** ****** likely ******* ** ***** concerns."
- "***** ********* *** ******* our ****** ******** ********* ties ** *** ***********/*********** at ******** *********, ** it's *** **** ** a **** *****. "
- "**** ** ********* ***** for *** ***********"
- "***** ********* *** **** required ** *** ***-*********** installations ** *** ********* rooms."
- "**** **** *% ** all ******* ********* ****** audio. **** **** *** installed *** ****** ******* interview *****."
- "*** * ******/********* ******** application. ********* ** ******** do *** ****** *****."
- "** **** ***** ** have ** ******** ** the **** ** ********* is ********* **** *** very ******** ***** ** a ********* ********."
Other ****** ** ********** ***** ***
** * ****** ******, other ***** ***** ***** recording ** **** ** for ********** *********, *******, or ****** '******' *****:
- "** **** **** ***** for **** **** / PD ************, *** ********** clients ** *** **** any ********* ***** ****** they **** *** ***** from ********* *************."
- "*** **** ****** *'** worked **** ***** ********* as ** *********** ***** surveillance ** ** *** enforcement *** ******/******* *********. "
- "*%. ******** ** ****** offices."
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- "** ******* ******* ** a *** ** *******, and ** ** **** required ** *** ** two ***** ** * school. * *** ** school ********* *** **** weary ** ***** ***** unless **** ********** **** it."
- "**'* **** *** ** have *** ***** ******** where **'* ********."
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******, *** ********** ***** is ********** ** ******** by ***** ********* ** integrator **** ******** ********. For ********* *** ************* government *********, ***** ********* requirements *** **** ******.
Comments (31)
Luis Carmona
So like video analytics and biometrics, it's one of those things where it's nice to have when you need it, even when not often used.
Now I see most laws seem to deal with "recordings", but I have not seen much about dealing with live only listening.
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John Bazyk
IPVMU Certified | 03/28/18 01:52pm
We have requests for audio almost every day. Here's my question. When someone comes to my house and presses the button my on Skybell, Skybell records the two-way audio.
Why is it that I have to follow the laws regarding audio recoding as a security integrator but companies like Skybell, Ring, Vivint and all of the other doorbell companies don't?
Video surveillance combine with audio helps to paint a complete picture.
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Undisclosed Manufacturer #1
Anything can be questioned on a court of law, but I think the position that outdoor recordings have no reasonable expectation of privacy is a very good one. Look at all the YouTube videos of outdoor scenes, even protests, that never got taken down even when challenged because they occurred outdoors.
I'd almost be inclined to say ask your lawyer, but sometimes lawyers can be as bad as insurance companies in as they'd prefer you just did nothing that might require them to do work but keep on paying them money for protection.
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Cameron Javdani
03/28/18 03:32pm
Open the camera on your smartphone and record a few seconds of video. Your phone will automatically record audio with it. Did you just commit a crime? Of course not.
The key difference between that example and surveillance applications as noted above relates to expectations of privacy. As a manufacturer whose core business is audio for security systems, we have product in all 50 states and nearly 60 countries (including Spain and Canada) with both public and private sector installations. The only time we've seen people get into legal trouble for audio use is for surreptitious use as defined in US Code 2510 (2), which we explicitly advise against.
Just as you wouldn't put a camera in a restroom, there are are areas we don't advise using audio. We're not active in the residential market because there is such a heightened expectation of privacy in homes. There are also areas where using audio ought to be expected, such as in police interview rooms. If a suspect confesses to a crime, video playback alone won't help you in court.
So there are areas where audio is appropriate and areas where it's not, but managing legal compliance and expectations of privacy can be done in a straightforward way. It should not be a deterrent when it's appropriate to use audio.
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Mark Palka
I noticed that some responses mentioned that is was illegal in jurisdictions with 1 party consent to do audio recordings. It can be done legally if an employee for example is given consideration in a contract. For example for $10 they consent to having voice recordings.
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Undisclosed Manufacturer #2
What are the thoughts about audio analytics? The "machine" is listening but that doesn't necessarily mean the audio is recorded or that a human is listening.
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Undisclosed Manufacturer #3
This is the interesting survey, especially for camera manufacturers who needs to pay royalty for MPEG-4 AAC patent. (free G.711, G.726 vs. payable AAC)
It comes down to the big question, that is, is it really worth paying 50 cents per a camera for audio recording with AAC codec which is rarely used as surveyed?
I am curious when and where AAC is necessary as opposed to free G711/726. Any opinion for this?
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Bob McCarvill
I do a lot of audio recording for police stations in interrogation rooms, cells and booking areas. We've had success using Louroe products and wiring them into Avigilon cameras.
We have faced issues trying to line up audio with video thru the network.
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Undisclosed Integrator #6
The statement "0%, voice recording without consent is illegal in Canada." is a misleading statement.
Criminal Code section 184 prohibits the "willful interception of a private communication."
It may be/has been argued (and fairly universally accepted) that you have no reasonable expectation of privacy while in public. Places where you DO gain a reasonable expectation of privacy however can be very broad and legally precarious.
Furthermore it can also be reasonably argued that recording audio in a large area is not the willful interception of a private communication if the audio is stated as ostensibly having been installed for another purpose. One could just as easily state the audio was to detect things like screams that indicate someone in distress, gunshots, etc. If audio was being recorded in a crowded mall for example it is highly unlikely any one conversation would be discernible. If audio is installed specifically to record third party conversations then that likely would fall under CC 184 but who would readily admit to that?
I should note that the CC does provide an exemption to recording as long as ONE party gives consent and that party is directly involved in the communication. For example I had secretly recorded a conversation with an ex-boss without his consent which was lawful because I had my consent (I ended up not needing the recording and discarded it). This however cannot reasonably be applied to most surveillance scenarios.
At best I would say CCTV audio recording in Canada is a grey area and legally situational, unless someone can point me to specific case law that states otherwise. Clients that want audio should be educated and informed about the potential pitfalls but to state it is completely illegal is inaccurate.
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Robert Baxter
Sitting with some of our guys on sales this morning, their phones started responding. Apparently, they have Alexa running on their phones all the time. The audio is being stored on the amazon cloud, and they tell me that they are getting ads related to topics that they have talked about (not directly to Alexa). Is this not audio surveillance? Can you contract away a persons statutory rights like this?
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Niall Beazley
Hi Guys, Are you planning on updating current Audio usage for Surveillance options? From a brief check across the market there are few cameras with a built in audio microphone or speaker, requiring third party options. The third party option normally requires its own power source and amplification. Most cameras with audio options provide an RCA connection for mic and output speaker. This limits the overall ability of the audio options to within a few metres in a very enclosed setting; any ambient noises will also be recorded. We have a requirement in an open volume reception area where the overall size is double volume and around 50-70 square metres (150-210 sq feet). Any comments would be appreciated? Cheers Niall.
NOTICE: This comment has been moved to its own discussion: Looking For Audio Surveillance Option For Larger Reception Area (50-70sqm / 540-750sqft)
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