White House Expands Dahua Hikvision Blacklist To Federal Funding [Final Rule Reverses]

By Charles Rollet, Published Aug 13, 2020, 11:09am EDT (Info+)

The White House is expanding the NDAA to blacklist anyone who "uses" banned Hikvision/Dahua/Huawei HiSilicon equipment from participating in any federally-funded contracts, regardless of whether the contract involves banned equipment and regardless of the entity spending the federal funds, IPVM has verified in a new government disclosure.

UPDATE 8/14: the final rule has now been published and it does not expand the Hikvision/Dahua blacklist, in a reversal from what the White House stated yesterday and proposed back in January. What the new rule does do is prohibit federal funds from being spent on covered services and equipment, but not entities that "use" Hikuawei gear. For more info and examples read out latest post: Final Rule Does Not Expand Hikvision Dahua Blacklist

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This means any company that "uses" Hikvision equipment or services cannot participate in any federally-funded contract, even a FEMA grant for a church to buy shovels. Additionally, any "video surveillance costs associated" with this new rule are "unallowable", meaning the federal government will not cover anyone's compliance costs.

This expansion of the blacklist clause, first proposed in January 2020, is representative of the Trump administration's tough and expansive implementation of the NDAA ban. In this post, we examine this development and discuss examples of its impacts.

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Impact *****: ******** *** ******* ********

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Undisclosed End User #1

08/13/20 03:26pm

***** **** ***** ** * ************* company **** *****'* *** *** ****** Hikvision/Dahua/Huawei ********* ********* ****** *** ****** States...but *** ************** ** (**** ** *****)?

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Charles Rollet

In reply to Undisclosed End User #1 | 08/13/20 03:51pm

***. ***** ** ** ************ *********** to *** ****** ** *** **** ban. *** ********* **** ** ***** recent *******:

** **** ** ****** ** *** United ******* ***** * ******** *** of ***** **** *********' ********* ** used. ** ** **** ** **** that **** *************? ***, ** **** office ** **** ** *** **** entity, **** ****** ** **** ** the ***** **********, '***' ** **** office ** ********** '***' **** *** need ** ********* *****.

**** ******* **** ** ***** ** no ****** *** ** *** **** equipment ** *** ******* *******:

**** ***** ********** ***** *** ********** is ******* ** * ******* **** as ********, ***** *** ******** ******** provider, *** ********** ** ******** **** covered ******* *** ***** **************? ****, if **** ********** **** **** ******** infrastructure, ****'* *** *** ** ******* telecom. *** ** *** **** ***** it, ** **** ********** ******* ***** up **** ***********, *** **** ** represent ** *** ********** **** *** use ******* *******

** *** ******** **** *** **** B ************

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Andrew Somerville

In reply to Charles Rollet | 08/13/20 04:25pm

** *****'* **** ** ** ********. In *** ** ** ***** ** well **** ********** ** ****** ******** access **** ** ********** *** ** use ****** ************** (*.*. **** *** connections ********* ** *** ***** ** exchange ** ****** ********* ****** *****, 3 *** ** *** * ****** operators *** ****** ** ***** *********, 10% ** *********** *** ******).

****** **** ** *************.

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Charles Rollet

In reply to Undisclosed End User #1 | 08/14/20 11:19am

******:*** ***** **** *** **** ********* and ** **** *** ****** *** Hikvision/Dahua *********:***** **** **** *** ****** ********* Dahua *********

**** *** *** ********** ** ******** ******* ***** **** being ***** ** ******* ******** *** equipment. *** *******, * ****** ****** spend * *** ***** ** ****** HiSilicon-based *******. *******, ** *** ***** the ***** ** **** *********-******* **** an ********** **** "****" ********* ******* elsewhere.

*** **** ******** *********, ***** **** ***** ****** ********* ******* the **, *** **** *** ** prohibited **** *********-****** ********* *** *** cannot ******* ****** ********* *** ***** contracts.

**** ** **** **** ******** ******** ********* ******, *** ***** **** ************ **** ***** a ***** ********** *** ****** ******* agency ********* (*.*. *** ****) - regardless ** *** ************ ******** ** the ****** *********.

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Undisclosed Integrator #2

08/13/20 03:32pm

****, ** ** ********* * ********* camera * **** ** *** ***. We ************ *** ** ** *** NVR ** *** ******* *** **** sure *** ****** ** *******. ** we **** ** ** **** *** replace **** ****** ** ** **** to ** ******** **** *******?

****, **** ****** *** ** *** home ** *** *** ** * large *******. **** **** ****** ***** problems ** **** ******* ***** ** get ******* *********?

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Charles Rollet

In reply to Undisclosed Integrator #2 | 08/13/20 04:00pm

** ******* ** *** ******** *** system *** *** ***** "***********" ** a ****** **** ***** ***** *** are * **** ** ****** *********/******** if *** ** *** ******* *** camera.

** * **** ** ****** *********/********, you ***'* ** **** ** *********** in *** ********* ****** ******** ** federal ****** ********.

*********** *** **** ***** ** **** to **** **** *** ****** ** long ** **'* *** * ******* contract *** ****** ** ************.

**** **** *****, ******** **** *** me ****!

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Undisclosed Integrator #11

In reply to Charles Rollet | 08/13/20 08:25pm

*** ****** ******** *** * ********** in **** **** ** **** ************** of *** ****. ** ** ********* than **** ****** ** *** *** and ******** ********* *** **** **** interpreting ****, ** ****.

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John Honovich

IPVM | In reply to Undisclosed Integrator #11 | 08/13/20 08:34pm

** ** ********* **** **** ****** in *** ***

#**, *** *** ***** **** ******** people ** *** *** *** *** citations ** **** **********?

*******'* ***** ***** *********** ****** *** *** ********* ** ******* **** -*** ***** ********: *** ***** ** Hikvision, ** ** ********** *********. *'** ****** **** **** ** help *** *** ******:

*******, *** **** ******* ****** **** "maintenance" ** * ******* "****" ** considered "******* ********" *** **** ** disclosed (*.*. ******* ** ************):

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Undisclosed Integrator #11

In reply to John Honovich | 08/13/20 08:51pm

***, *** **** **** **** ********** maintenance ** * ****** **** *** sold ** ****** *********** **** **** one ** *** ****** ********* ** a ****** **** * ******* ** "using". *** *** **** ************ **** yourselves ** *** *** ******* ********'* involved ** ******?

** ** **** **************, ** ********** cannot ******* ** *** ********** ******** who *** * *** ****** ** they **** ** ******** ********** *********? I'm **** *** ****** *** ***** in ****.

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Undisclosed Integrator #11

In reply to John Honovich | 08/13/20 08:54pm

*** ***** ***** **** ** ******** comment, ** *** ***** **** *** the ****** ** *** ***? * believe *** ****** ** ** ******* the ********** **** ******* **** ********* with ********** **** *** **** *************** due ** *** "***" ** *** equipment **** *** ** *** ****** companies.

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John Honovich

IPVM | In reply to Undisclosed Integrator #11 | 08/13/20 09:20pm

** *** ***** **** *** *** intent ** *** ***? * ******* the ****** ** ** ******* *** government **** ******* **** ********* **** businesses **** *** **** ***************

******* ** *** ***** ***** **** today, *** ** ** ******* ** the ****, *** ****** ** ** least *** ***** ****** ** *** broader **** **** ********* ************* ***** to *** ** **********. ** ***** today's ***** ***** ********:

*********** ** ******* ***************** *** ***** surveillance ******** ** *********,***** ******** ******* ***** ********** ****using ********** ***** to enter into contracts (or extend or renew contracts) with entities that use covered telecommunications equipment or services. This prohibition ******* **** ** *** ******** ** *** ******** to procure or obtain, any equipment, system, or service that uses covered telecommunications equipment or services. [bold added]

** ***'* **** *** ****** *** non-public ******** ** *** ***** ***** but **** * *********** ** *********** with ******** ***** ******* ***** ** a ****** ********* ** ***** *** Hikvision ***** ******** ** *** **, beyond * ****** ************** ** ************* vulnerabilities *** *******, ** ***** ***** and ********* ** *** ***** ***** or *** *********** ******* ** *** White *****.

** ********** ****** ******* ** *** Interlogix ******** *** *** * *** camera ** **** **** ** ******** government *********? *'* **** *** ****** the ***** ** ****.

*** ***** ** ****, ***** *** White ***** **** ***** *****, ***** be *** ** ********** ** **** doing ******** **** ***** *** *********. Again, * ***'* **** ***** ****** but ****'* *** ********** ******* ** such * ******.

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Charles Rollet

In reply to Charles Rollet | 08/14/20 11:15am

******:*** ***** **** *** **** ********* and ** **** *** ****** *** Hikvision/Dahua *********:***** **** **** *** ****** ********* Dahua *********

**** *** *** ********** ** ******** ******* ***** **** being ***** ** ******* ******** *** equipment. *** *******, * ****** ****** spend * *** ***** ** ****** HiSilicon-based *******. *******, ** *** ***** the ***** ** **** *********-******* **** an ********** **** "****" ********* ******* elsewhere.

*** **** ******** *********, **** ***** you *** ***** ** ******** **** the *******, **** ** *********-****** *********, as **** ** *** *** *** providing ******* ********* *** ********. *** Hikvision ****** *** ********* *** ** effect.

** *** **** *********** *** ********* equipment *** ***** **** ************ **** being * ***** ********** *** ****** federal ****** ********* ******** ******** ********* ******.

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Undisclosed Distributor #3

08/13/20 03:45pm

***** **** **** ***** ** ********* like * *** ******? ** * school *** ********* ********* *** **** blocked **** ********* ******?

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Charles Rollet

In reply to Undisclosed Distributor #3 | 08/13/20 03:51pm

** * ****** ******** ******* ******* it ****** *** **** ******* ** contracts **** ********* **** *** ********* equipment. *******, ***** ** ** ****** banning * ****** **** ** ** existing ********* **** **** ******* ******* funding. ***** ****** ** **** ******* when * *** ***.*** ** ********, when **** ******* ** **** ******.

UPDATE: the final rule has been published and it does not expand the Hikvision/Dahua blacklist:***** **** **** *** ****** ********* Dahua *********

**** *** *** ********** ** ******** ******* ***** **** being ***** ** ******* ******** *** equipment. *** *******, * ****** ****** spend * *** ***** ** ****** HiSilicon-based *******. *******, ** *** ***** the ***** ** **** *********-******* **** an ********** **** "****" ********* ******* elsewhere.

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Undisclosed Integrator #11

In reply to Charles Rollet | 08/13/20 09:14pm

** **** ***'* *** *** ******* on ********* **** ********* **** "***" the *********, *** ***** ** ******* stopping **** **** ***** *** ***** to ******** **** *********?

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John Honovich

IPVM | In reply to Undisclosed Integrator #11 | 08/13/20 09:23pm

*** ***** ** ******* ******** **** from ***** *** ***** ** ******** said *********?

****'* ******** **** ** ******** ***** the **** *** ********* ****** *** of ******* ***** ** ***** *** Hikvision *********. **** *** **** ****:

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**** (**** **** *) **** **** effect ***** ****** ********** **** *** White ***** ******.

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Undisclosed Integrator #11

In reply to John Honovich | 08/13/20 09:57pm

****, ** **** **** *********** ** previous ***** **** **** **** ** such ********* ** ** **** **** moving ******* **** *****?

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John Honovich

IPVM | In reply to Undisclosed Integrator #11 | 08/13/20 10:43pm

**** **** ** **** ****, ** grants, ** ** ****** ******* **** today.

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Charles Rollet

In reply to Undisclosed Distributor #3 | 08/14/20 11:21am

**#* ****** *** **** ******* - just *** *****'* ** ********* ****** on **** ** *** ***** **** has **** ******** *** ** **** not, ** ****, *** ******* ***** from ***** ***** ** ******** ********** **** **** *** ****** ********* Dahua *********

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Undisclosed Integrator #4

08/13/20 03:50pm

*'* *** ********* ** ******** ******** but *** ******** **** *** *********** that ***** *** ** **** ************** is ******* **** *** *******. ***** & *** ***** ***** ******** ***** it ** ******.

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Undisclosed Integrator #5

08/13/20 03:50pm

**** ******* ** *** ***** ********* that *** *** *** *** *****..*** gonna **** ** **** ** *** not ******* ********* ** **** ********* because **** **** *** ******* **** any ** ***** ****** ********* *** Honeywell *** ** ****** **** * thermostat ** *** ********** ******* **** have * ********* ** ***** **** list ** ******** **** *** *** of ***** ****** *********? **** ** going ** *** ****** *****. *** HiSilicon **** ** **** ** **** cameras ** *** *** **** *** there ****** ** ** *** ** telling. ******* **** ****** ****** ***** compete **** *******? ** **** * lot ** ***** ********** ** * tough ********* ** *** ****** ***** of *** *.*. ******* ***** ******* are ************ ****** *****. **** ***** to ***** ** *** ** *** table *** ***** ** **** ******* the **** ** ********* *** ******** to * ***** ******.\

* ***'* ** **** ****** ** you ********* ****-**-**** **** *** **** the ******. *** ****** *** **** a **** ** *** *** ******* anymore. *** **** **** *** ******* sector ***** **** ** ** **** doing ******* ******** ***** **** *** U.S. ***'*.

** **..

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Undisclosed Manufacturer #6

08/13/20 04:01pm

**** ** ****. ** ****, ** fact, **** ** **** ** ********** to ******* ****** ***** ** ****** "examples" *** ** ****** *** ****** it ********* ** **** *** **** media. ***** *** ******** ******** ** millions ** ******* ** ******** ******** in ************* **** **** ******* ***** on * ********** *****.

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John Honovich

IPVM | In reply to Undisclosed Manufacturer #6 | 08/13/20 04:14pm

******** ******** ** ******** ** ******* of ******** ******** ** ************* **** take ******* ***** ** * ********** basis.

*** **** **** *** ****** ****** is, ******** **** *** ***** *** "take ******* ***** ** * ********** basis" *** ********** ** *** ***** amount, **'* ********. ** ***** ** mostly ******* ** ** ***** ** a *********** ****** ****** ** **** Hikua *** ********** *********. ***.

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Todd Hill

In reply to Undisclosed Manufacturer #6 | 08/13/20 04:22pm

*** **** ***** *********** *** **** of *** ********** ******** **********, *** in *** ********** **** ***** *********, the *********** ******** *** ****** *** documentation **** *** ******** ********* ********, and ** **** ** ******* **** we ** *** ******* ** ******* blacklisted *********. **** *** *********** **** add * *** ** **** ** COs *** ******* ********** *********** ***** to ***** *** ***** ** *********** meet ***** ************. ******** ***** ** slow **** *** *********** *****, ** if ** ****'* **** ******!

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Undisclosed Integrator #7

08/13/20 04:10pm

**** **** ****** ********* ************ **** use **** *********? **** **** *********, count ** ******* *******? ******** ***** to ** **** ******** ***** ******* this ******* ** **** ** ***. For **, *** ****** ***** ** the ****** **** **** ***** **** up ** **** ** ********.

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Undisclosed Manufacturer #6

In reply to Undisclosed Integrator #7 | 08/13/20 05:00pm

** * ******* ****, **** ***** hospitals **** ******* ******** *************?

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Undisclosed Distributor #8

08/13/20 04:34pm

** **** **** ********** ** **** Hikvision *** ***** ***** **** ****** the ******* *** ** ****** ** endusers. ** **** ** *** ***** products *** **** **** ****** ***** true ******. *** ***** ** *** still ******* *** **** ** *** bottom **** ****. **** ********* *** price. **** **** *****.

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Undisclosed End User #9

08/13/20 04:42pm

* **** **** ** ****. ******! New ****** ****** **! ** ******* I **** ** *******.

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Undisclosed Integrator #10

08/13/20 04:57pm

****************. **** ******** *** ***** ********** Clause ** *** **** *********. ** the ******* ***** **** ***** ***** County *. ******** ******* ******** ******* (1886) **** **** ******* ************** *********** to ************. **'* ******* ******* **** haven't **** ******* **** *** **** use ** ** ****** *********. *** we *********** ******* ** **** ***** than * **** **** **** *** breathed ** * ********* ******? **** if ** *** ** *** ******* of ****** ******* **** **** * Dauha ****** **** ** * ****** system *** **** **** * ***** Dauha ****** *** * ****** ** up ** **** *** ******? ******'* don't **** ********* ***** *** *** this. ** *** *** ***** *** so ***, **** *** **** *** everyone ** **'* *****. ***'* **** winners *** ******. ** ****'* ** war **** ***** *** **** **** I *******? ** ***** **** * trade **** **** ***** *****? **** about ** *** ** ** ** house? *** ** ***** *****. **** of ***** *** **** *******. *** they ****? **** ************** **** *** one *** ****** ******** ********* ****** and **** ** ****** **** ***** like ******* ** * ****.

**** ***** **** **** *** ***** way ** ** **** ********* ***** technically ** ******. **** ** ******* has **** ** ** *** *** Honeywell ****** ** **** * *** non **** ** ****** **** ******* one ******* **** **** **** ****** with *** ****** ******** ** **** correctly ** * ********** ***** ******? Ban ** ** ******* ********** *** be **** **** **.

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George Peffer

In reply to Undisclosed Integrator #10 | 08/13/20 09:28pm

"** ****'* ** *** **** ***** the **** **** * *******? ** still **** * ***** **** **** China *****?"

**, *** **** *** ** *** with ** - *** ****** ******** type. ******* *** *****, *** *********** one **** ** * **** ** avoid ********* ***** ** ** *** late. ***, **** *** *** *** only ****.

*** ***** ***** ********* ******. ***** 9-11 **** **** ******** * ***** of ********* ** **** **** ********* in **** ****. **** *** *** powers ***. **** *** ******* ***. Kind ** **** ********, ***? *** this **** *** ** ****** ******* in ** ******* ********** *** *** "Pandemic", ***** ********* **** ****** ** the **********. *****'* **** *** * am ***** ** ******.

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Dwayne Cooney

08/13/20 05:47pm

* ****** *** **** **** ****** that "***** ******" ******* ** ******* County ****** ******* (*******) ********* ******* this ****.

******* ******* ******* ****** ********* ***** Camera ****

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George Peffer

08/13/20 09:12pm

** ** ***** **** *** **** not **** ** **** ********* **** companies **** **** ***************. *** **** would ** **** ***** ********* ***** have *********** ** ***** ******* **** might ** ** ******** ** *** Chinese ********* *****. *** ********** *************, specifications, *********, ** ***** **** *** be **** ******* ** ** ****** using *** **** *** ****** *********** or ** ***** ******** *** ***** benefit (***).

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Charles Rollet

08/14/20 11:06am

UPDATE: the final rule has been published and it does not expand the Hikvision/Dahua blacklist, in a reversal from what the White House had stated yesterday and proposed back in January. IPVM discusses the final rule in our latest post, ***** **** **** *** ****** ********* Dahua *********

**** *** *** ********** ** ******** ******* ***** **** being ***** ** ******* ******** *** equipment. *** *******, * ****** ****** spend * *** ***** ** ****** HiSilicon *******. *******, ** *** ***** the ***** ** **** *********-******* **** an ********** **** "****" ********* ******* elsewhere.**** *** ****** ******* **** **** *** ********.

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Undisclosed End User #12

03/14/21 03:37am

** ***** * **** ** **************** comments ***** **** ******** *** ** 889(a)(1)(B) ****** *********? **** ***** ***** of ************* ***** **** ** **** some ***** **** *** ***** ** any *** ********** **** ******* *********. Is ** *** ********,** **** ******** ******* ************, ** ******** **** personal ******* **** *** **** ******** in ******* ******* **** *** ***?

*** "**** ***********" ****** ** *********** now **** **** ****.

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