White House Proposes Blacklist of Dahua, Hikvision Users

By Charles Rollet, Published Feb 04, 2020, 01:09pm EST

The White House is proposing to blacklist Hikvision and Dahua users from federally-funded contracts, even if their use of this equipment is unrelated.

The new proposal, subject to public comment until March 22, uses the strongest language so far from the federal government, reflecting the Trump administration's broad interpretation of the NDAA's blacklist clause.

In this post, we examine this important development.

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******* ********* **** **********: *****, * *********** on *** ******* ********** buying *********/*****/****** *********, *** second, * *********** ** the ******* ********** ***** business **** *** ****** that “****” ***** ****** products (*** *** ********* clause, *** ***** ** full):

— (*) *** **** of ** ********* ****** may ***— (*) ***** into * ******** (** extend ** ***** * contract) ****an ****** that uses any equipment, system, or service that uses ******* telecommunications *********** ******** ** * substantial ** ********* ********* of *** ******, ** as ******** ********** ** part ** *** ******. [emphasis *****]

*** ********* ****** **** comes **** ****** ** August ** ****, *.*. two ***** ***** *** NDAA *** ****** **** law.

OMB *********** *******

** ******* **, *** White *****’* ****** *** Management *** ****** (***), which ******** *** ******* budget,****** * ********** ** ** “** proposing ** ******” *** regulations.

*** *** ********* ** would ******* * *** rule, * *** ***.***, that ********** *** ****’* blacklist ****** *** "******* award [*****/****] **********" *** are "***** ********** *****". Crucially, *** *** ********* this ******** **** ***** prohibit **********-****** ********* **** entities **** "***" ****** equipment, ********** ** ******* this *** ** ******* to *** ******* **********:

**** *********** *******even ** *** ******** ** *** ******** to procure or obtain, any equipment, system, or service that uses covered telecommunications equipment or services. [emphasis added]

Trump **************'* "***** **************" *********

**** *** ******** **** this *** **** *** intended ******* ** *** blacklist ****** **** *** start, ***** ** ******** to ** **** * Congressional ********* ************ (******* ***** ** ********* At ***, ****** **** Selling ** ** ******* Government, **** ** ****.)

*******, ***** ***, *** federal ********** ****** *** not **** ** ******** about ************ ******** *** using ****** ********* ** unrelated ********. ************, *** OMB ******** ** *** "federal ***** **********" ***** "government *****", ***** ** more ********* **** ****** federal ********** ******** **********; for *******, ** ***** encompass * ******* ********* using * ******* ***** to ******** ********.

** ** *** ***** that *** ***** ************** plans ** ************ * "broad **************" ** *** NDAA, ** *.*. *** firm **** ********* ** ** ********:

*** ******** ******** * broad ************** ** § 889’s ***** *** ****-******* statutory ***********

Impact ** *********** ****

**** *** **** ****** this ***** **** * similarly ***** ************** **** be ******* ***** ******* *********** *************** ** ***** ******* to ********* *** ********* clause *** *** ******* government ****** ************:

[****] *** ****** *** Trump **************’* ********* ** pursue * ********* ***** approach ** *** *********** rulemaking ************ *********** *********** under § ***(*)(*)(*), ***** will **** ****** ********* August **, ****.

** ** *** ************** ******* **, **** draft *** **** (***** is *** *** ******) is ***** ******** ** the **********'********* ****** *********** *******.

**** *** **** **** have ** **** ***** impact ** ********* *********** from *** ******* ********, which*********** **** ****-***** ******** like *** *** *** the ******** *** **** the ***** *****, **** museums, *** ******** **************, etc.

Remaining ***********: **** **** "****" ****?

*** *** ******** **** not ******* **** ** means ** "****" - for *******:

  • ** ********** **** *** installed * ********* ****** in * ***** ******. Does **** ***** ** an ****** **** "****" banned *********?
  • * ************ / ********** like ********* ** ******* that **** ********* *** non-government *********. **** **** count?
  • * ***********, **** ** ADI ** ******* **** sells ***** *** ********* broadly ** ******* ********** users. **** **** *****?
  • ** ***-**** **** *** Dahua ** ********* ******* running ** ***** **********. Does **** *****?

** ****** **** ******* on **** ******** ** the ****** ******, *******, the ******** ******** ***** suggests ** ********* **************, notes *** **** **** Gump:

**** ** *** ******* contracting ********* *** ********* awaiting *** ******* ** regulations ************ § ***(*)(*)(*)’* prohibition ** *********** **** an ****** **** “****” items *** ******** ********* in § ***. ***’* proposed ************** ** *** Loan/Grant *********** ** *** specifically ******* ** ***** anticipated ***********,but *** *********** ** ******* ********’ *********** ************* **** ***** ******** **** *** “******* **********” ******** *** ***** ************** ******* ** ******* ********* *** **** “****” in § 889(a)(1)(B).

OMB ****** ***********, **** *** ********

** ** ***** ****** that *** *********** *** "******* ****" on *** ****** ** its ********* **************, ***** is *** **** ***** for ********:

*** *** ******* **** on *** ****** ** this *********** ** ******* award ********** *** *********** who *** ******* ********** and ***** ******** ** the ***********, ******, ************ impact, *** **** ********** with ************ **** ***********. Commenters *** ********** ** provide ******** **** ** the ******* ** **** proposed ****** *** *********** on *** ** ******* implementation ** **** ***********.

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*** ****** **** **** or ***** *****, ********* or ****** ***** ******** that **** ***** ** do ******** **** *** federal ********** ** ** federally-funded ******** ****** *** very ***** ********* ** this *******. ** ** becoming ************ ***** **** this *** * ******* chance ** ***** ***********.

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*******, **** *********!

*********, **** ** ******** on**** ****** **** ** the ****** *** ************* Companion, **** * ******* that ** *** ****** unnecessary. **** ********* **** Axis *** **** ****** to ** *********. ******* the *** ******* ***** of **** ***** ************ camera ************* *** **** far **** ******** ** Dahua, *********, ******.

*******:******* ***** "*****-******* ****** Investment" **** ****** ********* Products,********* ****** ** **** Ban, *** ***-****** ******* and *************.

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* ***********, **** ** ADI ** ******* **** sells ***** *** ********* broadly ** ******* ********** users. **** **** *****?

** ******* *** ***** in *** ******** ****** this ** *** **** interesting ********* ** **. I ******* **'* ****** unlikely **** ***** ************ would **** **** ******* those ********, *** ** they *** ** ***** make *** ******** ****** feel * *** **** like *** ********* **** has ********* **** *** last *** ***** ** the **.

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** ******* *** ***** in *** ******** ******

*******, ****** *** **** first *******! **** *** Canadian ******, ** ****** another ******** - ** a ******* **** ** sells ***** ** ********* in ****** *** **** not **** ** *** it ** *** **, does **** *****? * don't ****.

* ** ***** **'* possible, ****** ********, **** some ************, **** ***, might **** ******* ***** and *********. ** **** as **** ***** ****** to ***** ***** *************, they ***** ***** **** a ****** ** ***-**** products **** ****** ****** still ****. *** ****** this ** * **** or ***** **** *** with *** ***********, *** sure *** **** ****** of ***** ***** ******** will ** ******* *********. Quite * ******* *** challenging *********.

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****** ****.

**** ** ********** *** of ***** ********** **** raises * *** **** questions **** ******* *** I'm **** ******* ***** spend ****** ******* *** the ************ **** ****** of ***** *** *************. To ** ** *** end ** *** *** it's **** ******* ****** in * ******* **** of ******* *** ** have *** *********** **** these *************.

*** **** **** * do **** *** *** sales ***** ** *** front ***** *** *** put ** ****** ********* scenarios ** *** ** this.

** **** ***** ***** will ****** ** ****** in *** *** ****** for ****** **** ******** so * ***** ** interested ** *** ****, if ***, *** *** cost ******* **** ****** from *** ** ****. With **** ************* ***** companion **** ***** ** still ******* *** **** others, *** *** ******** is ********** ***** ****** to ******, ** ***** North *******.

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******* ***** * *** of ********* *** ***** cameras, ***** * ****** would ** ******* *** to *** ****** **********.

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*** *********** ******/*********. **** ** their ********** **** ***** at ********* *** **** (3COM *** ****** **** an *********** *******, ****** it!). ** ** ****** serves ********* **** *** some ***** ***** ******* got *** ** ***** security ********** *** *** was * **** *** from ****. **** **** deep *********** ** ******/*********. We **** **** ******* we **** *** ** the ***** * ***** distributors "*******" ** ****** UNV **** **** **** their ***** **** ******* and ******************* ***** ********** ***** brand *** *** ******* strategy. ** *** **** meetings **** ***** ********** about ********* *** ***** history. ** **** ******* because **** **** ***** by **** ******* ** the ****, ***** ***** they **** **** **** 90% ******** *****, **** was **** ***** ***** though *** ****'** **** repeatedly **** ** ***** Chinese ********* * *** times ***** ****.

** **** ** *********** if ******* **** **** serious ***** *** ****** security ********. ** ****** plays ** *** ***** market, *** ** *** industry *** *** ***** to **** *** ******, I'd ******** ** ******* into ******** (***** ** MStar) ***** ***** ***.

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*** **** ** *** other ******** ************* *** not ***** *** ****** chips ******. **** ****** for ** *********** ** determine ****.

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*** **** ** *** other ******** ************* *** not ***** *** ****** chips

*****, **** ********. **** makes ** ************ ***** is **** **** *** vary ** * ***** by ***** *****. *** example, **** *** * few ******* ***** *********, recently ************. *** ********* uses ********* ** **** models, ********* ** ****** etc.

*** **** ***-******* ************* use ********* ** ****.

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******. * ******** ******* on **** ******** **** Digital ******** *** **** were *********** ***** ***** of ***** ******** ******* Huawei ***** *** ***** did ***. ** * had *** ***** * would *** **** *****.

***** *** **** ********* I ***** *** ***** to **** ** *** truth ***** ***** ******** - ************ **** ** these ********* **** ******** Hikua ***** ** *** US *** **** **** selves ** *************.

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* ***** * ********** the ********* ****** ****, which ** ** ****** Hikuawei ** ******** ** possible ******* ****** ******** policy. *** * ***** this *********** ** ******* paranoid ******** *******. ** know **** ******** **** spy ********, ***** ****** issues, ***. *** *** much ** *** **** to **** ********** **** something **** *** ** a ***-***** ********* ** the ****** ** ****? Better ***, *** ****** of ******** ****'* **** their ***** ** *** first *****!

** ***** ***** **** anything ********** ** ************** related *******'* ** ***** Hikuawei *** ************** ** security, *** **** ******** policy ****** **** * very ***** ***** **** want ** ***** ****. Concerns ***** ********* ***** Hikuawei ********* ****** ** evaluated **** ** ****. Example, * **** * small ********. * **** a ****** ******* *** found *********, *** ***'* say ** ** ******** want ** ******** **. I *** ********* ******* around *** ******** ** my ***** (***** * have * "**** ******") to ***** ****** **** breaking **** ** ******* and ******** ** ********. Am * *** ************ from ******* ** ** LE ******* ** ****?

*'* *** * ******* man. * ****** ********* because ** *** ** budget *** *********** ************, and *** ** ***** to *** **** *****. Why ****** * ** punished *** *** *** behavior ** * *******, unrelated *************** ****'*** ******* ************ *** ** ******** to *** **** ** product * ****? *********** I'd **** ** **** how ******** **** ** vet ******* ***** ******** and ******** ******* ** a ******** ****?

** ****, ** *** know *** **** ****.*** ********* #****-***: ******* confirmed ******** ****, *** one ** **** ******** their **** ********.** *** ******* ****** "FEDERAL ****** ** **** A *******!! **** *******RATATATATATAT* ******** **** - ********* Chinese *** *** ****** family ****** ** ****, clear **** ** **** defense ** ********...

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**** * ******* ***********, it ***** ***** ***** sense ** **.

******* *'* *** **** mastermind *** ** ******** controlling *****. *** **, these ******* *** ** incredible ******** ****. *** I **** ** ** is **** * *** strings *** ******** *** next ******** ****** *** some **** ******** ******* embedded. ****'* *** **** that ******** *** **** ban (****** ***'** * cynical ****** *** ****** it *** ****** *** about *****).

** **** **** **** have ** ** **** you? ** *** **** anything ** ** **** the *.*. **********, *** are ** ** *** list. ******* ** **** office? ***, ******. ******* are *** ***'* **** much ********** **** ****** network *** **** **** network. *'** ***** *** the ******, ** **** fancy ***** (*** ****** to ****** *** ********, so ******** **** ***'* that *****) *** **** I *** **** ****** for ********* ***********. ***** I *** *** ** your ******. ** *** have * ******, ***** I *** *** **** that ** ****. *** attack **** ** ********** and *****, ********** *** pivot. ********, * ***** be ********* ***** ******** my ******, *** ** it's **** * **** network, *'* *** *******.

** **** **** ******, I'll ******** ********** * screen ******* *******. (* already ********* * ***, so ********** ******* ******* is ****** ******.) *'** watch *** * ***** and *** *** *** interact **** **** ********** contacts. ** ** ** email? *****, *'** **** your ******* ***** *** send **** *** ** my ***, ***** **** your *******. ** *** use * *** ******? Cool, *'** *** ** there ****** **** ***'** not *******. ** *** use * *** ** get **** * ******* level *******? ***** **. I'll **** *** ******** means *** ***, *** use **** ** *** one **** *******. **** pivot, **********, *****, *** so **.

******** ** ******** ** a ****** *** *** there, ********* **** ********* don't **** ** ***** about. *** *** *.*. government *** ******** ****** stakes, ** **** ** it's * *********** ******, they **** ** ***** about **.

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***, **** ***** **** sense ** ** ***. I *** ****** ****** the ******* **** * more ****** ***********, *.*. using *** ****** ****** to *** ******** ** whatever **'* ******* **. In **** **** ** circumstance, ******* ****** *****'* seem ***** ** ***** if **'* ******* ** my ********.

*** ******* *** ******** (which, *** ***** * hacker, * ** ********** with) *** *** **** scary *** ********* *********. Thank *** *** *** detail.

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********** *** ***** - how **** ** *** security ******** ** ******* all ** ***** *****, poorly ******* ***** ************* that ***** ** **** as ***** ** * botnet.. *’* *** *** could ** **** ******* damage ** **** **** used ** * *********** DDoS ******.

**** ******* ********* ****** vector.

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****'* **** ******** ** October **, ****. * botnet****** ****** ** ** cameras *** **** **** XiongMai ****************** *** *** *** provider.********* ** *********, *** ****** **** down *******, ******, *******, Paypal, *** ******, ***** others.

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*********** *********** *** ****. However ** ****'** ************ it **** ******* *** are **** ***** ** prevent ***** ** ********** supplier *** *** ***** employees **** ****** *** $300 ****** ****** ****, $20 **** ******* *** Amazon, ** *** ** the ***** ******** ** action *******, ******, ******* TV *****, *** ******* other ******* **** *** using ********* ********? ***** are ******** (***** ********?) of ******* **** ***** chipsets **** ** *** knows ***** ********* *** people ******* ****.

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*** *** **** ***** to ******* *****

** ******* ** ********* is ****** ****. *** could *** **** * law ********* ***** ********* is ********** ******* ****** you’ll ***** ** **** to *** ******** ** wear *********. ** *** other ****, *** **** that ***** ** * law *** **** **** enforcement, *** *** *** effect ** ****** *** desired ****** **** **** likely. ** ******* ** our ********’* *******, ********** the **** ** ******* will **** **** ****** take *** ******* ******. Agree/disagree?

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****** **** ***** *** HIKUA ******** ******** ***** open *** **** ** the **** ********, ********* Windows...

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*** #* ** *******. Please ********** **** ** not * ******** ***. This ** **** *** world ** **** **. And **** ** ******* about **, *** "******* partners" *** **** ********* also *** *******, *** and ** *** ******. Further *********** *** **** (and *** ********) ** the **** **** *** Chinese *** ******* * secular ***** ***, *** the **** ****, "***-*****" with ** ***** ** ethical ********* **********. **** it ***** ** **** business *** *********, *** Chinese *********** ********** *****'* transmit **** ** *** PLC.

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* *** ***** ********* related ** **** **********. How *** **** *** they ***** ** ** with ****?

-** **** **** ***** to ** ****** ** for *** ******** ***** the **** *** **** into ******?
-**** ***** ********* **** prior ** **** *****?
-**** ***** ********* **** under * **** (**** as ****) **** *** installer/end ****/********** *** *** know *** *** ********* chipset?

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**** *********, *** *** truth ** **** ** still **** ****** ******* on **** *** ********** means ** "****." ** could ***** ** ********* sold ***** ** *** NDAA ** ** ***** not, ******** *** ******* tense "****" ***** **** it's *** ***********, *** I ***** **'* ******** to **. ** ** completely ****, **'** **** to **** *** **** implementation *******, ***** **** happen ** *** ****** months **** *** *** rule ** ******** *** when *** *** ********* its ********.

********* ** ********** *** didn't **** ***** ********* chipsets - *** ******* something ** *** * legal ******.****** ******, * ************ *** the ************* ********* ***** drafted *** ****,**** **** ** ****:

** * ******* *** an *** **** **** Hisillicon ***** **** **** sell ** ******, **** will ** ****** ** do ******** **** *** federal **********.

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* ***** *** **** coming, *** **** **** using **** ** * talking ***** *** **** time **** ******** *** potential *******. **********, *** tentacles ** **** **** go **** ****** **** the **** ***** ** a ***** ***** ****** whose ******** ******* *** federal ********** **** **** to ******* **** ********** under ******* ** ***. I'm *** *** **.

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*** ** **** ******* respond? * ***** ****** of **** ******** **** about ******** ******** *** even **** **** ***** the ***** ****** ********. Some ****** ************ ********* ** ****** * stop-ship(awaiting * ******** ***) on *** ***** ***** the ***** ****** *** made ******. **** ****** didn't **** **** ****** the ****** *** ******* in * *******-******* ** IPC ** *** *********** (tested *** ****** ** our ***).

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** ****** ******* ***** as * ***** ******, or **** **** *****. Transportation, ****** **********, ***** types. ** **** **** a *** ** **** in *********** *******, *** I ***'* *** *** real ***** ** ******* from ****. **** ******** is **** ******-**** ******** but ****** ** ****** they *** ******** ** turn **** **** *** iceberg. **** ****, *** human ****** ******* ** low ** *** *****. The **** ***** *** been ** ************ *** for ** ****, **** capital ******* ******* *** the ****** ***** **** been ******* (** *******) screwed ** *** ***** guys **** ****** ********. We ***** **** **** trying ** *** "****" product **** *********** ***** in *** ***** ***, because **** ***-*********** **** can **** ***** ** and **** **, *****-****. It *** ***** * have * ***** ****** of **** ********** ** educating *** ***** ***** how **** ***** **** affect **** **** ****. I ********** **** *****, BTW, **** ***********!

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* *** ****** **** this ** **** *** experience. * ***** *** technology ** ** ****** (I ***** **** *** industry *** **** ************) that ******* ** **** on *** ************* ***** these **** *** **** in *** *********/***** *****. Thanks *** *** **** words ***! *'* **** they ***** ****** *********!

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** * *** * nickel *** ***** **** I ***** "** *** cares ** *** ******* can ***** ** *******", I ***** ****... ****** enough ***** ** *** a ***** ******. * nickel ****** ***'* **** much ***** ****.

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* ******** *** *****, Brian *** *******, **** all ** **** ******.

* ***** *** ***** of ********* *********, *** those ***** *** *** willing ** ******, *** become *** *************** ******* selling ******* *** ********* a ********.

** ** ********** ******** is ****** ****** ******* weighted ****** *** ****** line ** ** ** rarely * ******* ********** tool ** *** *** "as **** ** ** works" ********* ** **** common.

*** ******* ******** ** cyber ******** *********, ** least ***** ********** ********** teams, ****** ****** ***** to **** ** ***** the **** ***** *** make *** ********* **** inclined ** ****** *** understand ** *** ***** vulnerabilities ****** ***** ******* health ** ** ************, but ** **** ***** take **** ****.

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***'* ***** ****.

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*** **** ** ****** when *** ****** *** manufacturers ** ******** *** us **** ** * Huawei **** ** ** their ****** ** ** the ****** ****** ** a ***** ***?

** ** ************ *** really ******* **** ** in *** ****** *** whether ** ** ** or ***. ***** ** nice ** ***** *** a ******** *** ******* could **** *** ********* meeting......if *** *** ***** there ************* ** **** the *****.

***** *** **** ******** standard...just *******. *** ********* similar ** * ********** organization **** ***** *** for ******** *********.

* ****** ** ******** if ****** **** ****.

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** ******* ****** **** from *********/***** * ***** ago. ** ***** ** moved ** ** ***. Then ** **** **** one ** ******* ******* less *** ****. ** this ***** ** **** almost ** ******** (************ computer *****) ** *** inventory **** *** **** in *****. ** ***’* get *** ** ***** for ****** **** **** contacts, ********* ** ***** supplies *’* ****. *** as *** ** ******* go. **’** ***.

* ** **** * separate *** **** ***** DIY ***** *******. ** use ***** **** ***** and **** ** *** HIKVision. **** ** *********** but ****** ***********. **** alarm ***** ************* *** OEMing ********* *****. *** that’s **** **’* * totally ******** ******* ******* in * ******* ******** office.

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**** ***** ***** ************* areOEMing ********* still.

*** *** ******* ***** video ** ** *** really **** ***** ******? I **** *** ***** of *** ******* ****** HIKVision ***** ******

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* ** **** ***** panel *************. ********* **** Alula, ***, *********, *** and ****** *** ***** Hik ******* *** ***** alarm ****.

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** ******, * ********** what *** **** ***. I ******* *** ***** that *** ***** ****** themselves **** ***** **** by ***

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** ********** *** ********** any *********** ********* **** China ********** ** ***** economical ****** ** ************ threats ***** *** ******** to *** ***., **** they ****** ******** *** distribution ** *** ********. Controlling *** ***** ** unjustifiably ***** ******* **** too **** *********, ****** and ******* ** *********, for ******* *** ******** issues.

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**** ****** **** *** their ***/*** ********* **** selling ** *** **

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******: ***** ***** *** another *******, *** ****** (D-MD),**** **** * ******** *** ***** *****'* OMB ****** **** **** set ** *******/******** "*********" for ***** ********** ** comply **** *** ********* clause:

** ************ ******* **** you ****** **** *** regulations *********** ** ********* section ***(*)(*)(*) ** *** FY2019 **** ******* ******** processes ** ***** ***** business *********** *** ******* their ****** ****** *** efficiently ****** *********.

*** ****** *****'* **** more ******* ** **** these ********* ***** ******** look ****, ** *** they ****** "***** ********".

*****, ** *******, **** request ***** **** ****** easier *** **** *********** without ****** ** *******/********** people.

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