Ex-HID Executive Becomes Shooter Detection Systems President, Interview

Published Oct 02, 2023 12:46 PM

After six years as an executive at HID, Stephen Carney has become the President of Shooter Detection Systems, which Alarm.com acquired in 2020.

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Both the access control and weapons detection markets are undergoing significant transformation, so IPVM interviewed Stephen Carney, and in this report, we examine:

  • "Never Imagined" Himself In Access Control, Cloud/Mobile Development Changed His Mind
  • Two Outcomes From Cloud/Mobile Developments
  • The "Center Of The Universe" Driving The Change
  • Pivotal Point For Incumbents
  • 4 Reasons Behind The Move To SDS
  • Gunshot Detection Vs. Physical Screening Vs. Video-Based Gun Detection
  • Natural Inclination To Invest In Physical Screening
  • Potential Vintra Shooter Detection Systems Integration
  • Two Approaches To Make Technology More Accessible
  • Taking Advantage Of Alarm.Com Channel
  • New VP Of Sales, Growing Sales Team
  • Outlook

For more background on Shooter Detection Systems, see our earlier reports:

Executive *******

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Stephen ******'* **********

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Reason #*: ******* * *******

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It *** ** *********** *** ** ** *** * *******. My background has been in overseeing product development for some of the bigger companies in the industry. And this ** * *********** **** *'** **** ******* ** ****, and it was a great opportunity. [emphasis added]

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Reason #*: ******* ** ********

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*** ****** **** *** *******,the ******* ** ******** within Alarm.com family of companies and this is an organization that is investing 25% of revenue into R&D. That is a great number for any organization, and that gives opportunity to bring new things to the market and new ideas to the market and be super agile and that ******* *** ********** ** ********* **********. [emphasis added]

Reason #*: ********** *******

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*** ******,it *** ****** ***** *** ******* ******. I spent a fair amount of time prior to accepting that role and making sure that this solution is what it says it is. I see this we think about this and physical security but gunshot detection sort of moves more into life safety than standard physical security ... And so the ability to have the accuracy it has and the flip side, which I don't think we talked about enough, which is avoidance of false alarms, that base ********** ** ********* **** * **** **** ***** **** **** ******* ** ***** ** **'* ** ***** ***********. [emphasis added]

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** * ****** ******** *********,I ********** ***** **** *** **** ******** ** * ******* ********. ... When anybody puts their mind to it, what they want is to stop a shooting before it starts. And there's a layer to do that. Whether it's that physical layer of metal detection or some other sensor technology or video. The reason there are layers is because not ***** ***** ** ***% *********. The issue with static layers [metal detectors, "weapons detectors", etc.] is they can be bypassed. But if they are effective, and you're finding out you've got a problem before the gunshot start, that's great. But **** *** *** ***** ** **** *** ******* ***** ** ***? And now the dimension comes down into two elements. One is time and the other is awareness, what is happening and when. That situational awareness and the communication about it is so critical that having *** **** ******* ********* ********** ** *** **** ********** **** **** *** ******** *** ******* [emphasis added]

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**** ** ***** **** ** *** spend, **** ** ***** **** ** an ****** **, *****'*a ******* *********** ** **** ** ******* ****** **** ********. I think this comes down to a sort of human emotion psyche and fear. There are customers out there who have said, "Well ** * *** ** ******* *********, **** ** **** *'* ********* * **** * *******?" And there's that there's that concern that core fear that that lends itself to people wanting to prevent first. And * ** ***** ****'* * ******* ***********, *** ******'* **** ** ******* ** *** ***** [emphasis added]

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****** ********** **** *** ** ******* on ********** ************ ** *** "*******-*******" approach *** ********* * ******* *********** that *** ******** ***' ******* ************ to **** *** **** ********:

**'** ****** *** ********** ** ** that [**** *** ********** **** **********] one ** ****** * *** **** of *partner-centric ******** *** ***** * **** ******* *** ** *** ************. A great example of how the integration has worked for us is the integration **** *******, which has taken not only the gunshot alarm in and then linked it with video, but they've gone so far as to bring ** *** ******* ********** **** **** ** *** ********** ********. So that brings it comes up on the screen and now you can see if there are multiple gunshots, the progression of activity, all in that one single sock view [emphasis added]

*** **** *********** ** *** ***-******* Integration *********'* ******* ********* ******.

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Taking ********* ** *****.*** *******

***** *** ******* ** ******* ** grow ***********, *** ** **** ***** to **** ********* ** *****.***'* ******* relationships, ** ****** **** ****:

***capability ** ******* **** ******** ******** ******* *****.*** or, as we refer to it, "powered by Alarm" [is a positive for SDS]. And that is something that we've been talking about and is ***** ***-****** *** ** ***** ** *** ******, so you can see us not **** ******* *********** around our enterprise capability, but **** ****** **** ********** ******* *** *****.*** ****** *******, and that gives us a tremendous ********* **** *** ******. [emphasis added]

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*****,I *** ***** ****** ** ** **** ** **** ***** ****** ** **** ** ***** ** *** **** * **** ** *****. His talent dates back to the Kantech days, where he was one of the pioneers in access-control-as-a-service with the product they refer to and still sell as Patrick's.That ********** ******* ** * ********** **** * ******* **** ** * **** **** ** ** *** ***. And so bringing that capability and his focus on that transition, but **** * **** ********* ** *** ***** ******** ******* ****** ******* ******* ******, ** ********* **** ** ******* ****** ********* *** ***. That being said, you *** ***'** *** **, ** *** **********, ********* *** ********** *******. [emphasis added]

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*** ***, *** ******* ******* ** be ****. ***** *** ****** ** growing, **** ******** **** ********* **** continue ** **** *** ********** ********* rather **** ********** **** (**** ** SDS ******* ********* *******). ************, *** company ** ********** *******, *** ** takes **** ** ***** ***** *** relationships **** *** *******. ** *** positive **** *** ***, ** ******** outdoor ***** (** ******** ***, *** expected ** ****, *** ******) *** an *****.*** *********** *** *** *** company ** * **** ********* ********.

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