Software Only VMS vs NVR Appliances

By: Sean Patton, Published on May 23, 2018

Should you buy your own PC/server and load VMS software on it or get a turnkey appliance (both hardware and software, e.g., NVR, Hybrid DVR) from a VMS/NVR manufacturer?

While many feel strongly in both directions, both approaches have advantages depending on the scale of the system and the expertise of the deploying organizations. Our VMS/NVR deployment survey results showed 60% of systems are installed as VMS software installed on a server, and the remainder were turnkey appliances. In this report, we will examine the main drivers for both options.

In this report we will examine the advantages of each approach, focusing on:

  • Western vs Asian appliances
  • Setup Time
  • Hardware Flexibility
  • Virtualization
  • Troubleshooting
  • Recurring Costs
  • System Growth
  • Small vs Large System Deployments

****** *** *** **** own **/****** *** **** VMS ******** ** ** or *** * ******* appliance (**** ******** *** software, *.*., ***, ****** DVR) **** * ***/*** manufacturer?

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Western ** ***** **********

* ***** *********** ** the **** * ***** has **** *** ******** in ************ ** **** low-cost ***** **********, *** less ********* **** ***** Western ************.

******* ***-***** ********** *** generally *-* ***** **** expensive **** ***** ******** ones. * - ** Channel *** ********** **** Asia ****** ** ***** from $*** *** ** under $*,*** ***, ** comparison ** ******* ***-***** appliances ** *** $*,*** - $**,*** *** ***** when ***** ********.

*** ********* ********** ** Western ********** *** **** native ****** ****** ************, developed **** ********** **** advanced ***** ****** *** Export *************, ****** ********* support, *****-****** **********, ****** Health **********, ************* *** User ********, *** *******, and **** *********.

*******, **** *********** **** Asian ********** ** * good *** ** *** core ********* ** ********* live *** ******** ***** and ***** *** ***** differential, **** *** **** solutions *** **** *********.

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**** ***** ********** *** key ******** *** **** feature **********, **** **** detail *****:

Appliances ******* ** *****

***** ******** ** ***-****** on **********, *** ********** technician ****** ********** *** Operating ******, *** ******** application ******, ******** ********** software, ***. **** *** save * *** ***** and ********* *** ****** from ********** ********.

Appliances ****** ** ******

***** ********** *** ********* start ********** ** ****** right ***** ******* **** on, ** ********** *** need ** **** *** to *** ** * PC/server *** ******* * recorder/VMS ***********. *** **** organizations, **** ***** ** knowledge ** ******* *** poses ** *********, *******, for ******, **** *** allow **** ** ** deployments **** **** ******* technicians.

Lower ***** **** ****** *** **********

***** ** ***** **** time *** **** ********* to *** **, ***** appliances ********* ******* ** lower **** ***** **** setting ** *** ********. This ** ********* * few ***** ***** *** may **** * *** hundred *******, ********* ** the ****** *** **** of *** **********.

Appliances ******** ********* / ****** *******

**** ********* ****** ******* to ** *******, ********** allow *** ****** ********** with ******* ***** ** the ***** *** ******** analog ***** *** ***-********* into *** *********. ** contrast, ******** **** ****** typically ******* ********** ******** encoders **** *** ****, complexity ** *****.

Software **** *** ****** ************ ***********

* ************ **** **********, you **** ** *** the ************'* ********. *** common ******** ***** ****:

  • **** ************ *** ************ using * ******* ******** (e.g., ****, **, ***.) and *** **** ********* terms *** ********* ******** with **** ************. ** appliance ****** **** * different ******** ***** ******* that ******* *** *** be ******* *** ***** or ***** ********** ******.
  • *** ****** ******* ******** specifications ** ********* ******* and *** *** *********** with ********* *** ********* provider. **** ** ********* only ** ***** *** advanced ********* *****.

** ****** ****, *** ability ** **** **** own ******** ** *** of *** ********** ** using * ******** **** solution.

Virtualization **** ******** ****

******* ******** **** *** can ** ********* ** any *******/***** ****** ********, many *** ********* *** use ** * ******* server ***********. ** *** hardware ************** ******, **** will **** ******** **** but *** *** ********** and ************ *** ************ and *******. ********** ** a ******* ****** *** require * ****** ***** trained, ****** **** **********.

Appliances ******** ***************

***** *** ************ ******** the ******** *** ***-****** the ********, **** **** much **** ******* *** a ****** ************* ** what ***** ** ***** and *** ** ************ it. ** ** **** harder *** *** ************ to ************ ******** ****** on ******** ******** ** ***** are **** **** **** variables - *.*., *** a ********* ********* ****** used? *** *** ******** loaded ** * ********* location? **** ********** ************ been ***** **** ***** conflict **** *** ***? Is *** ******** ************** - ***, ******, ***, storage, ***.? ** ***** simply ****** ** **** time *** **** ****** but, ** *** ***** case, ** *** ****** in ****** ******** *** blame ***** ****** **** it ** **** ********'* issues.

*** ****** ******* **** purchasing ******** *** ******** separately ** **** ** can ****** ** ****** two ************* *********** *** troubleshooting *** ************ ******. The **/****** ******** *** fall **** *** ***** while *** ********/*********** ***** to *******. **** *** increase ********** *** ***** delays ** ********* ******** compared ** ** *********.

Many ********** ******* ** ****** ******** *****

****, *** *** *** software **** *********, ****** annual ***** *** ***********/********* their ********. ***** ***** can ****** *** ******* license **** **** * 5 **** ****** (*.*, pay $*** *** * single ******* ******* **** another $***-$*** **** *** next *** *****). ** contrast, ********* ********* ********* do *** ****** ****** fees ***, *****, **** away ******** ********.

******** **** ********* ***** argue **** ***** ****** fees ****** ** **** more ******** ************* **** appliances **. ********* **** is **** *** *** always. **** ***** ****** be ********* ********** ** the ***** ********* *** is ***********.

Software **** ******** **** *********** ** *****

********** ********* **** *** offered ** * ******* of ************** *** ***** have ************ ** *** they *** ** ********. As * ******* ****, if *** ****** *** 16/32 ******* ***** ** even * ** * cameras, *** **** **** to *** ** ********** appliance. ** ********, ** using * ******** **** solution, *** *** ****** or *** ********** ** machines ** *** ******, as *** ******* ********* supporting * **** ****** camera *** ****** ***** (128-500). ** ******, **** assumes *** **** *** technical ****** ** ** so *** *** ***** that **; **** *** make ** ****** ** scale *** ************ ****** with **** *******, ****** resolution, ****** *******, ***.

**** ********* ******* *** offer ******** ***/*** ******* options ** ****** ******* storage ********, *** ***** do *** *** **** throughput ********, **** ****** retention *****.

Appliances ****** *** ***** ****** ***********

*** ***** **** *** setting ** *** ******** is ****** ********, ******* the ******* ** ******** 4 ** ** *******. It ***** **** * hours ** *** ** a ******* ********* * cameras *** ******* * for *** ********* ** cameras. *******, *** **** of ****** ************** ** a ********** ** *** total *** ** **** higher ** *** * camera **********. ** ****, appliances *** ************ ********** for ***** **** ***** cameras. *** ********, **** if * **** *** 1000 ******* *** **** were ***** ****** *** locations, ********** ***** ******* a *********** ********* ** it ***** ********* *** labor ** ************ *** machines.

Software **** **** ****** ** ***** *******

**** ********** *** ******** at ***** ** ******* camera ****** - *, 9, ** *** ** cameras ***** *** **** common. ** *** **** more ******* ** * given **** ** **** demanding ************ (***** **** resolution ***/** ***** *****), generally ******** **** ** a ****** ****** ** you *** ********* *** hardware *** **** **** demanding *****.

Comments (65)

Shannon Davis

TED Systems | 05/23/18 03:12pm

**** ** ***** *** ******* ************* **** ** *** **** the ******* *** *** **** ** ****. ** ** ******* harder *** ****** ** **** ******* **** ******* ** *** some **** **** ********. *** ** *** ******* **** *** two ** *** ******* ***'* **** ** *** *** ******* require. *** ************* **** *** *** *** *** ******** *** don't **** **** *** *** **** ** *********. **** **** the ***** ** *** ********* ** ** **** **** *** a **** ******* ******* ** ** **** ** *******. **** customers ***'* **** *** *** ***** *** ******** ** * VMS ****** *** ** **** ** **** ** *** ********** are ******** ** **** **** ** *** **** ******** ********.

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Sean Patton

IPVM | In reply to Shannon Davis | 05/23/18 08:44pm

*'* *** ******* **** ********** ****'* ************ ******, *** ** the *** *** **** *********, *** ****** ***** ********** ***** NVRs ** *** ******* ** *** **** ********** *****:

**** ********* ***'* **** *** *** ***** *** ******** ** a *** ****** *** ** **** ** **** ** *** appliances *** ******** ** **** **** ** *** **** ******** features.

** ** *** ****, ********* ***'* **** *** ***** *** whistles, *** ** *** ***** **** ********* ************* *** ****** bells *** ********.

* ***'* ******* ****'** ***** **** ** ***** ***** *********, so ***** ********* ******** **** ***** ***** *** **** *** whistles?

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Sean Nelson

Nelly Security | 05/23/18 08:25pm

** ******** ** ****, ********* ******* ****** ***** **** *****. VMS ** * ** **** *** *** ******** *** ****** costs *** **** **** *** **** ********** **** ** ** way *** ****** *** * ***** ******. *** **** *** PC's ***** ** ****** ******* :)

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Sean Patton

IPVM | In reply to Sean Nelson | 05/23/18 08:36pm

****** ********: **** "**** **** *** **** ********** **** **" are *** ******** **?

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Sean Nelson

Nelly Security | In reply to Sean Patton | 05/23/18 09:01pm

********** ***** ** *** ****** ****.

- ***** *** **** ** *** * ** *** ******** the **** ***** ** **** ***** ************. ********* ** *** software, *** *** **** ** *** * ***** ** * PC ** ****.
- **** *** ***** *** *** *** ****** ******** ***** is * **** **** *** ******** ** ** ********* ***** has * ****** ****** ** "********" ***** **.

** *** *** **** **** **** ****** ***** **** *** costs ** **** ** ********* ***** ****.

- ** **** ******** ***** ** *** ******* ******. **** not **** ** *** **** ** *** *** *** ***** camera, *** ***** *** *** ******* **** *******. *** **** for *** *****
- ** *** ** ****, ** ****** **** **** **** of ***** ********* **** **** ****** ***'* *****? ****!

**** **** * *** ****** *** ********:

*** **** **** * ******** **** * ******** ********* *** a ***** ****** **** **** ** ******* **** **** **** that ****** ** ** ********** **** ***** ** ***** **'* and ********* ***** ********. ** ******* **, **** ** *** day, ** *** **** *** **** ** **** ** *** in ********* *** ***** ** ********* **** * ********** *** made *** *** **** ***** *** ********. *** **** ** "good ** ***. ** ********** *** **** ** ** ****** opinion.

* ***** ** **** ******** *** ***** * **** ********** between * **/******** *** ** ******** ***, **** ********* ***** choose *** ********* ***** *** **********, *** *****, *** *** everything **** **** *** **** **** *** ****** ** **********.

Michael Miller

In reply to Sean Nelson | 05/23/18 09:06pm

****, **** ******* **** * ******** *** ** * ******* NVR/DVR *** ***** ** *** * **** *******? *** *** have ** **** **** ******* ***/*** ** ***** ******* *** current ***/*** **** * ****** ****. **** ***** *** ****** the **** ********** *** *** *** **** **** *** ** searching *****?

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Sean Nelson

Nelly Security | In reply to Michael Miller | 05/23/18 09:15pm

*** *** **** ** ** **, ****** ******* * ******* NVR ** ********* ** * ** ******* ***** ***** ******** be ******* **** ****** * ******* ** *** ********.

Michael Miller

In reply to Sean Nelson | 05/23/18 09:17pm

**** ******** *** *** ******* *****? * **** ******** *** an *** *** * ****** *** ** *** * *** of **** ** *****. *** **** ** ********* *** *** channels, ***** ***** *****, ****** *********. ****'* **** **** ***** then ****** ******* *******.

*** **** ****** ******* ***** ** **** * ***** *** you **** **** * *** ** ******* ** *** *****. Then **** ******** *** *********** **** *** *** *** ****** video.

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Sean Nelson

Nelly Security | In reply to Michael Miller | 05/23/18 09:25pm

**, ** *** ***. * **** **** *** **** *** charge *** **** ****, *** ** ***** **** *-** ******* at *** **** ** ***** ***** *******. * **** ** you **** **** ******** ****** ***** *** ****, *** **** a ****** ******. **** ****** ****** ** *** *** ****** the **** ****** ********, *** *** ****** ****** *** ****** and ****** ** **** *** *** *** ***** ***** **** you ** ****.

** *** **** ******, ** *** ******** ** ****** * cameras ** ***** ****, * ***** ********* **** ** **** a ** ******* *** ** ***** **** ********* **********. ***** a * ** ********/** ****** ** ******* **** * ** ch ******** ********?

Michael Miller

In reply to Sean Nelson | 05/23/18 09:28pm

**, ** *** ***. * **** **** *** **** *** charge *** **** ****, *** ** ***** **** *-** ******* at *** **** ** ***** ***** *******. * **** ** you **** **** ******** ****** ***** *** ****, *** **** a ****** ******. **** ****** ****** ** *** *** ****** the **** ****** ********, *** *** ****** ****** *** ****** and ****** ** **** *** *** *** ***** ***** **** you ** ****.

** **** **** ***** ********** ** *** ********'* ****? * can ******* * *** ******* ******** *** ******* *** ****** remotely.

Ty Mullen

COR Security, Inc. | In reply to Sean Nelson | 05/23/18 09:08pm

**** ****** ******** *** **** ** ******* **** *** ******* and ******** ****** ** ***** (*** *********** ***).

** **** * *** **** ********, *******, ****** ********* ****** quality **********. *** *** **** *********.

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Sean Nelson

Nelly Security | In reply to Ty Mullen | 05/23/18 09:19pm

**** ** * **** **** ** *** ****** ******** ********** when *** ****** ******* * ******* ** **** *****. *** me *** *** ****, ** *** **** ** ********* **** all ****** * * ** ******, *** ******* *** ****** quoted **** * **** ** * * ** *** **** cameras ** * * ** **/******** **** *******. *** **** most *** ** **? ********?

**** **** ***** ****, ********** ******* ****** *** *** **** hard ** *** *** *** ****** ** **** **** ****** need **** ***.

** *** ****** **** ******** **** **** ****** **** ** embedded ******. * ******* ** **** ****** **** * ***** civic ** ****.

Michael Miller

In reply to Sean Nelson | 05/23/18 09:26pm

****, * **** **** ******** ******* *** "*** *** *** cheapest ******* *** **** ** ***** ** *** ******" **** that *** **** ** ****. * ***'* **** ** *** price ** **** ********* **** ***** ******** *** **** ******* lives ******. ** *** * ******** ***** ***** ** *** price **** *** *** * **** ******** *** **.

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Sean Nelson

Nelly Security | In reply to Michael Miller | 05/23/18 09:44pm

* ***** **** ** ******* ***, * **** *** *** passionate ***** **** ********. * ***** *** *** ******* *** point ** ***** ** * ***** ******. *** *** **********, but ** ** * **** *** ****. *** **** ** admit **** *****? * **** *** **** ******** **** ** that *** ******** ** ********* *** ***** ** **** * 4 ** ******** ******** ** ****** **** * *** **** embedded ****** **** ********** ********* **** *** *. *** *** you ***** ********** ** **** **** ** ********. **** **** is ****, *** **** ** *** ******** ** ********* ********* that **** **** **** ** ****** *****?


***** *** ******* ******* *** ***** *** ***** *******. ***** is * ****** *** ****. *** *** *** ***** ** have * **** **** ******* * ******* ** * ****** who ***** * * ** ****** **** * ***** ***** will ** **** ****. ** ***** ***** * ***** *** of **, *** **** **** *** * *****.

*** ******* **** ** ** ******* ** ****.

Ty Mullen

COR Security, Inc. | In reply to Sean Nelson | 05/23/18 09:56pm

*** ******* ** ***** **'* ** *****. ******* *** **** a ******* ** *** ****** ***** ***** ***. **** **** already ***** * ***** *** * *** ******. *** **** are ***** ** **** **.

**** * ******** ** *********** ****** *** *** **** ** a ****** *** **** ** ** **** **** ** ******** and ******** ******** **** ** **** ***** *** **** ******* they *** ******.

* *** *** ****** ******** ** *** ***** ** *** a ** *****. *** * ******** ***** ******** ** *********** certainly *****.

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Sean Nelson

Nelly Security | In reply to Ty Mullen | 05/23/18 10:02pm

* *** *** ****** ******** ** *** ***** ** *** a ** *****. *** * ******** ***** ******** ** *********** certainly *****.

******! * ***** * *** **** ** ****** **** *** along. ***** ******* = ********. ********** ******* = ********

Ty Mullen

COR Security, Inc. | In reply to Sean Nelson | 05/23/18 10:20pm

*******/*********** **** ** ** ****** ** *** * *** ********* but *** ***. **'* ***** ** **** *** ******* *****, BMW, *** *******. *** ***** ****, ******* ****, *** ******* team *** ********** *** **** ** ***** ****** **** ***'* necessarily ********* ****** *** ********.

**** ****** *** ***'* **** ** *** ******* *********** ** developers **** ****** ** ************ **** ***** ******. **** ** it's *** **** ****** *******.

** ******* **** **** **** ****'* ********** ** **** **** of ******** ** **** **** ** ******** ***** *****.

* **** *** **** ** ***** ** ****. *** *** and ** ***** ******** **** ** ***** *** *****. ** would ** **** ** **** **** ****** ** **** ********.

*** **** ******** **** ** **** ** **** * ****** interface. *** ****** *** **** ** ******* ***** ********* ** a **** ********* (**). **** ***** ***** ** ** * better *** ** ******** ******** **** **** **** ** ********* on **. **'* ** ** *** **** **** ** ** a ******.

*** *** ** **** **** ** ******** ***** *** ******** for ***** **** *******.

Michael Miller

In reply to Sean Nelson | 05/23/18 10:30pm

** **** **** **** * ****** ***** *** ******** *** told **** ***/**** **** ******* *** ****. **** *** * different **** (*) * ******** *** (*) ** ******* *** on *** ******. ** *** ** ********** *** **** **** to ******* *** *******, ****** ***** *** ******. ** ****** them * *** ******** ***** ***** **** *** *** ****** which *** ********** ** ********** *** *** ********* *** *** much ****** **** ***** ****** *** ***** *** ****** *****. They **** *** *** **** *** ***** ****. ***** *** our **** ********* *** **** **** **** ***** **** *** the **** ** ***** ***** ***/****.

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Jon Dillabaugh

Pro Focus LLC | In reply to Michael Miller | 05/23/18 10:33pm

*** ******* ****** *** *** ***** **** *****. **** **** a ******* ******* ****** **** **** **** *** ********** **** server. ****** ** **** * ** ******** ****** *** ** has ***** * *** *****. ** ** ***** **** ****, they ***** **** *** **** **** ******* *********.

Brent Gable

In reply to Sean Nelson | 05/24/18 02:38pm

****, * ***** **** ******* ** ***....**'* **** **** * Ferrari ** * *** *****. **'** *** *** *****, *** you ***'* ***** *** ****.

Ty Mullen

COR Security, Inc. | In reply to Sean Nelson | 05/23/18 09:28pm

* ***** * **** ** ***** **** ******** *** *******. They **** ****** **** ******* **** ** *** *** *****. I ***'* ***** **** ****** *** ******** **** ****.

*** ***** ** **** **% ** **** **** ** *** sole ****** ** *** ****.

*** **** ** *** ****** *** ****-* ****** **** *** users *** ****** ***** ******** **. **** ** ****** ** true ****** *** *******.

Brent Gable

In reply to Sean Nelson | 05/24/18 02:35pm

***'* **** * ******** **** ******....**** *** ******** ***** ** add **** **** ******, *** **** ** **** **** ******* appliance. *** **** ** ** **** ********* **** ** *** a *******, *** *** **** "******" *** *** *** ****. Hopefully **** ********* ************ *** * **** *****-**** *** ******, and **** ** **** **, *** *** **** ** *** this ********** ****** ** ********'* ****** *** ***** **** **** to ****** ****** ****** ******* ** **** ** ****. ** you *** ****** *** ****** ******** ** ** ******** ******, the ***** *** ***** ******** ** ***** ****** ********* ** less.

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Jon Dillabaugh

Pro Focus LLC | In reply to Sean Nelson | 05/23/18 10:22pm

****, * ***** *** *** * ***** *** ** *******, but **** ** * ****** *** ****. ** *** **** how **** **** **** ** ** *** ** *** **** to *** * *** (************ ** *******/** ********/****** ****), *** wouldn’t **** *** **** ****** ******* ****.

** **** *** **** ** *** ******** ****** ******* *** ease ** *** ** *** *** ******. ** *** **** Dahua ** ********* ********* ** ***** ** *** **** ********. However, ** * ****** ***** **** * ****** ***** *********, they **** ****** *** *** ***** *******.

*** ** *** *** ** * ***** ****** ** **** silly, ********. ********* ****’* **** ********* ** ******* *** ******** if **** ******** *** **********. ****, **** ** *** ******* run ** ***** * **** ******* ********. **** ****, **’* usually ******** ** ******* **** ********* ********.

**** ** *** ******* **** ******* ********* ***** *** ****. Sure, **** *** **** ** *** ** ***** ***** ** watch * **** ******, *** **** **** ** **** *** to ** ** ************* ** ****** *****. ****** ***** **’* very ********* *** *** ******* *** **** ** ****** ***** things ***. ****, * **** ******** ** **** ** ***** systems.

*** **** ** *** **’* ********, *** *** * *** time, *** ****** ******* ** ****** **** ****** *******. *** also ******* *** ****** ******* *** ****. *** * *** say **** **** **** ******* ***** *** *** **** ******* support * **** **** ****** ** ***. **** ***** *** license ****.

****** ****, * **** *** ***’* **** ***, ** * don’t ****** *** ** ******** *** ***** ***, *** *** really **** *** ** ******* *** ***’* **** **** ***** when *** *** ********* ** * *** *******.

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Sean Nelson

Nelly Security | In reply to Jon Dillabaugh | 05/23/18 10:49pm

* **** **** ** ******* *** * ***** *** *********, admittedly ******** ** **** ******* **** ******** *****. *** * love **'*, * ** ***** *** ***** *** ** ** speak. *** ******* *****, ** **** ** **'* *** * think **** *** **** ** ***! * **** ***** *** overkill *** **** ****** *** **** * ***** ******. * was ****** ********* *** ********** ** *** *******, *** **********, and *** ***** ******** ** * ********** ***** * ******* is * ***** ********.

* ***** ** ***** ** ******* ***** ******. * ***'* deny **** ******** ** * ***** ****** *** *** **** superior *********** ******** **** **** ******** *****. *** * ***** you *** ****** ** **** ** ** **** *** *** do *** **** **, * *****.

*** ******** *********** **** * ******** ***********...

*** *** ******** ** ********* **** **** * ***** ******, an ******** ****** ***** *** **** ***** ***** *** ****** are **********. **** ***** *** ** *** ***** **************. *** cheap *** **** ***'* **** *** **** ******* *****. *** ALL! *** ****.

**** ** *** ******* **** ******* ********* ***** *** ****.

**** ******** **** *** ******** ** ****** *** **** * small ******.

* ***** ** **** ** ***** *****. *********** *** *** 16 ** ******* ** **** ***** *** ** *** *****, do *** ***** ***** *** **** ********/** ******** ** ******** units. *** ***?

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Jon Dillabaugh

Pro Focus LLC | In reply to Sean Nelson | 05/23/18 10:59pm

***** ** ******** **** *** ****. *** **** ****** **** great ** **** **** *** **** **** **** ******* ** the ****, ** * *** ***** ****** **** *** *** respect.

* ***** ***’** ************** ** *** **** **** ***** ****** users ***’* *** ***** ******* ** *** ****** *** *** approach *****. ***** ****** *** ** *** ** ******* *** add, *** ******* **** *****, **** *******. ** ****** **** sure **** *** ******* ** **** **** ****** ** **** to ****. ** ****** *** ***** * ****** ** *****, it’s **** ** **** ** **** *** **. ** *** end **** ***** **** ***** ******, **** ****** **** ***** expand **, ***** ** * *** ***** *** **** *******. The **** **** *** **, *** ****** **** *** ***, and *** ****** **** ******** ***** **********. *********, ** **** never *** **, ****’* *** *****. **’* ****** *****.

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Sean Nelson

Nelly Security | In reply to Jon Dillabaugh | 05/23/18 11:10pm

*** **** **** ** ****** **** ** *** ** *******. You *** *** ************* ** ***.

***********, ** ***** ***** *******. **** *** ****** *** **** a *,*, ** ** ** ****** *** ******* **** **** both *******. *** ******** **** **** ** *** ****. *** or ***?

Michael Miller

In reply to Sean Nelson | 05/23/18 11:56pm

*** **** **** *** ************ ** **** ****/**** ******* ******** upgrades?

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Jon Dillabaugh

Pro Focus LLC | In reply to Michael Miller | 05/23/18 11:59pm

********** *** *** ***** ***** **** **** *********. **’* *** Sean’s (** ***** ****) ***** **** ***** ******* **** ****** exploitable *** ** *** ****** ***** **** **** ** *** Dahua ** ******* *******, *** ** *** *** ** *** a **** *****. **** ****** ****’* **** ***** ***** *****. They ***** ****** *** *** * *** ****. **** **** boxes.

John Honovich

IPVM | In reply to Jon Dillabaugh | 05/24/18 12:38am

**’* *** ****’* (** ***** ****) ***** **** ***** ******* were ****** *********** *** ** *** ****** ***** **** **** to *** ***** ** ******* *******

**'* ***** ***** *** ******* ***** *************. ** **** *** a *********** ******** ** ******* *** **** ********* *********? ***** commitment *** ********* ** ******** *********** (** ***** ** ************ ****** ******** ** ***** ** *** ********) ** ******** ** ******* *** **********.

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Jon Dillabaugh

Pro Focus LLC | In reply to John Honovich | 05/24/18 12:42am

** *********, *** ** *** * **** ******* ** ****, but * *** * ***** ** **** ** ****. * sold *** **** ******** ** ** *******, ** *** ** I ** ***** *******. **** *** ****** **** **** ******* to ** ** * ***’* **** *** **** *** *****. I’m **** ** ** **** ***** ** **** **** ***** was **** **** ** ****, ** ***** **** ***** ***********. While ***** *** ** ************* **** ***** ******* **** ****** more *********** ** *******, * ***** ********** ** ***** ** so ********** *** ****.

John Honovich

IPVM | In reply to Jon Dillabaugh | 05/24/18 12:45am

*** ** ** ***'* ****** ***** *** **** ***** ****** vulnerability? * ** ********* ******. ** **** *** ****** ** Dahua ** ********* ******* ***?

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Jon Dillabaugh

Pro Focus LLC | In reply to John Honovich | 05/24/18 12:48am

** ** ****** **** ***** ** ****** ******** ******* ** these ******. **** ******* ** ****** ******* ** ****. ** still **** *********, *** **** *** *******, ** ****** **** from *** ******** *** ******** ********.

Michael Miller

In reply to Jon Dillabaugh | 05/24/18 12:48am

*’* **** ** ** **** ***** ** **** **** ***** was **** **** ** ****, ** ***** **** ***** ***********.

*****'* **** *** ********* ***?

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Jon Dillabaugh

Pro Focus LLC | In reply to Michael Miller | 05/24/18 12:50am

*** ****** *** ***, *** ** ***’* **** *** ********, with **** ********* ** ** ****** ***** ******* ******* **** systems **** **** ***** *********.

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Sean Nelson

Nelly Security | In reply to Michael Miller | 05/24/18 01:43am

*** *** ******* ***** ******* **** ********* ******** *** ** 1 (** ****) *********. *** ********* *** ***** ** *** hacked **** ******. ***********, **** ** *** ******* **** ********* by ****** ************* ** ***** ********. *** ****** ******* *** their ******** **** ************* ******. *** ***** ***** ** **** avigilon ******* ** *** ************* ***** *********.

****, * *** **** **** ******** ******* *** *** ****. I ***** **** **** * ******* ******* *** **** **** never **** **** ***** ** ***** * ****** ** *** small *** *** **** ******. ****** ****** ******* *** ***** amounts ** ***** ***** *** ****** **** **** *** ***** bit ** ********* ***** **** *** *** ****** ** *****. And **** **** *** **** *** ******* ** ****. ** only ******** *** *****.

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Kyle Folger

IPVMU Certified | In reply to Sean Nelson | 05/25/18 10:49pm

* ********* **** * ******* ********* ********* ** ** *****. They *** ******* ** * ******* ** **** ********. ******* is ** * ********. * **** **** ** ***/*** ********* at ** *****. * ***** **** ******* ***** ********** **** and ***** ***** ******* **** **********. **** *** ******* ** use. ** **** **** ****** ** *** *** *** ********. I ****'* **** ** **** **** *** *** ** *** the ***. **** ** *** ** **********. * **** * residential ******* **** **** * ******* *** ** ***** **** and ** **** ** ******** *******. ******** ** **** ** use *** ** ** ********. ** *** ******** *** ***** PC ** ****** **** * **** ****. * ****** ***'* have ** ***** **** ********* ** ***** *******, *** *** recorders *** ****** ********* ** *** *** *** ********** *** vastly ********* **** ****** ** *** **** ****** ***** *** website, ****** ***** *** ***.

* **** ** ******* ****** * ***** *** *** * installed * *** ** ****. **** *****'* ** ********, *** they **** ***** **** ****** **** ***** *** ********* ** the **** ** ********* *****. *** ***** ** ****** **** smaller ***** **** *** ** **********.

* ***** ***** **** ***** ***** ******* **** **** ****. However, **** ***** ****** ***** **** **** *** *** **** go *** ******* *******, *** **** ** **** *****. ***** alone ******* *** ********** ****** ** *******, ***** **** ****** networking ********. ********* *** *** **** ******* *** **** ** use **** **** *** **** ****. * ***'* ******** *** those *******, *** **** ** **** ****. * **** *'** liked ** ******* ******** **** *** ******* * *** ****** it ** ********.

Michael Miller

In reply to Jon Dillabaugh | 05/24/18 12:46am

* ***** **** ** ******* ** *** * ******** ***** we ********* ******** **** ******** *** * ** ****** ****** 9/8 ***** ***. ******* ******* *** ****** ** **** ** over **** ** *** ****** ******* *** ****** **'* ****** to *** *** *** ********. * ********* ** *** ******** that ***** *+-****-*** ****** *** *** *** *** *** **** upgraded ** *** ****** ******** **** **** ** **** ***** have ********* *** ******** *****. ***** *** *** **** **** trying ** **** *** ******** *** *** **** ********* **. The ***** ******* **** *** ***** **** *** "*** **** now ** *** **** *****" ***** **** **** ** *** customer ****** ** **** **** **** ** ******* *** ****'* want ** *** *** ****** *** **** **** ****'* **** right ***. **** ** *** **** ** ********* ** *** system. **** ***** ***** ** *** ****** **** ******* ** the ******** ******.

Ty Mullen

COR Security, Inc. | 05/23/18 08:42pm

******* *** ***** ** ******* ** *** **** ***** ****. Western ********* ****** * ***** ******* *** ****. **** ***** have ******* *** ***** ** ******* ****** **** *** *******. And ******** *** *** ****** **** ** *******.

Undisclosed Integrator #1

In reply to Ty Mullen | 05/23/18 09:45pm

********* **** ***** **** ** ****** ******, ***** **** **** argued ** **** ** ** *** **** ** *** ********

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Jon Dillabaugh

Pro Focus LLC | In reply to Ty Mullen | 05/23/18 10:26pm

* *****’* ***** **** ** ** ****. *** ** *** Dahua *** ********* ***** * **** *********** **** ****** **** surveillance ******. **** ****, * ***** ***** ********* **** ******* included, *** ** *** ******** **** ****** ** ****** **** manufacturers ******. * *** ****** *** ****** **** ******* ** the **** ******.

Undisclosed End User #2

05/23/18 10:14pm

** *** ** ********** ** *****, **** ** *********** *** appliances. ** **** ***********, ** **** ***** *** **** ****** series ** *** *** ***** ************.

Undisclosed Manufacturer #3

05/24/18 08:00am

********* ** ***** ** **** ***** ***-********* **** ********* ********!?

**** ********* * ****** ** * ********* *****, *** ** details / ***** ****, ***.

Undisclosed Integrator #4

In reply to Undisclosed Manufacturer #3 | 05/24/18 10:13am

*** ** ********* *****? ** **, **’* ****** *********.

** ****, *************** ** ******* ** *** ************** *********.

Undisclosed Manufacturer #3

In reply to Undisclosed Integrator #4 | 05/24/18 10:26am

** *****, **** ******* ***** ******** *******.

John Honovich

IPVM | In reply to Undisclosed Manufacturer #3 | 05/24/18 11:53am

********* *** **** ********* ***** ********** *** ******* *** ***** VMSes.*** **** ********:

*'** *** ********* *** ******* ** *** ********* ***** ********** in *** *****. ******.

Undisclosed Integrator #4

In reply to John Honovich | 05/24/18 12:44pm

***********. *** *** *** ********* ** *** ***** **** *** a **** ***** **** ******* ************** **** ****** ****** ** in ********. *** ********** ** *** ******* ***** *** **-**** is *********** *** ****. ********* ** ****** ********* ********* *** benefits **** **************. **-**** ** ** ******* *** **** ** used ************** **** ** ****.

******* ** * ******* ** ** **. *** ***** ** horribly *** ** **** ******* *** ***** ** **************.

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Jon Dillabaugh

Pro Focus LLC | In reply to Undisclosed Integrator #4 | 05/24/18 12:56pm

*** **'*****....

/*******

Francesc Tortras

05/24/18 03:07pm

***** *** **** ***** ********** ** ***** ** *********:

  • ** **** ** ******* ** **************, *** ********* **** ******* to ****** ******** ******** ** **
  • ***** *** ********** **** ***’* *** ** **** ******* ** Linux, ** ** ********* ** ****** *** *** *** ** cyberattacks
  • **** ******** *******, ** ****, *** **** *****
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Jon Dillabaugh

Pro Focus LLC | In reply to Francesc Tortras | 05/24/18 03:16pm

*) ** ************** ****** *********** ** **. * **** ** be **** ** ****** ** ** ***********.

*) **** ********** *** ** * ***** *******. *** **** that * **** ******* ****** ** *** **********.

*) **** **** *** ****** *** *** ** *** *********** components, ***** ** ******* * ********. * ***** ****** **** the *********** **** ******* *******. ** * ***** *** ****, even ******.

Francesc Tortras

In reply to Jon Dillabaugh | 05/24/18 03:23pm

*) ****, ** * ********** * ***'* ******* ** ****

*) *'* *** ******* ***** ***** *******, ***** *** **** kernels **** *** ****** *** *** ******** *** ****** ** designed

*)*** *** **** ***** ********** ** ** *** *** * specific *******. ** **** *** *** *********** **** ** ******.

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Sean Patton

IPVM | In reply to Francesc Tortras | 05/24/18 03:22pm

*** ***** ***** ** ******* ** ********* ** *** ** initial ***** **** ** *********.

***** *'* **** ***** *** **** ************* ******* ** * completely *********** **, *********** *** ******** ***** **** *** ****, I ***** ** ******* ** **** *****'* ******* **** ****** of *****, *** ***** ******* *******. ** **** ******'* **** sense ** ******* * ********** *** ** ****** ***** **** distribution ** *****.

* ***'* *** *** ** ********* ***** ******* *** **** electricity **** ******* ******** ************** *** ****. ** ********, ***** COTS ******* ***** **** *** **** ******* *** *********** ** using *****, **** ****** ********* ******** *** ********** **** ** appliance **** *** ********/***** *-* ***** ***.

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Sean Nelson

Nelly Security | In reply to Sean Patton | 05/24/18 03:30pm

* ***'* *** *** ** ********* ***** ******* *** **** electricity **** ******* ******** ************** *** ****

******* * ***** *** **** ** *** **** * *** system *** **** ***********. **** *** ******* * ** ******* POE ***. *** **** **** *******, *** **** **** **** an ***. ****.

***, *** **** * *** ****** *****', ***** ******** ******** more ***** **** *** *** *** ******. **** *** **** a ******** *** ****** ***** **** ** *** ******* ****. I ***** ** *** *** ***** * ****** ** * mini **, ***** *** *********** ** ***** *** * ***** the *** **** *** ***** ****** **** **** ** ***** systems.

*** ** **** ** ****, * ***** ****** ****** ***** about *********** **** ** *** ***** *****.

Francesc Tortras

In reply to Sean Nelson | 05/24/18 03:36pm

*******, **** *********** ******* ******* * **** ****** ****, ** fan ** ***********

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Sean Patton

IPVM | In reply to Sean Nelson | 05/24/18 03:52pm

******* * ***** *** **** ** *** **** * *** system *** **** ***********. **** *** ******* * ** ******* POE ***. *** **** **** *******, *** **** **** **** an ***. ****.

***** ** ***'** *** * ** ******* *** *** ********* inside **** ***, *** ***** ** **** **** ************ ********* than * ********** ******? ** **** ********* *** *** **** transformers *** **** *** ** ********* ***** ****** *** *** PoE ***? **** ***** **** **** ****** **** * *******, but ***** **** ******* * ****** ***********.

** ***** *** **** ** ******* *** **** ****** *** standard **** ****** ********** *** ***** **** **** ** ***** servers **** ******* **-************* **** ***** *********. ** ***'* *** ***** *** * wash.

** ** *****, * *** ****** ** * *** ****** and ***** ****** *** ** *********** **** *********** ******* *** that ** ******** ** ********** (****** *** ** ***** ************* more ********* ***** **********).

*'* *** ***** ** *** **** * **** **** ** all-in-one ********* ** *** **** *********, * **** ***'* ***** its ********** ***** ******* *********.

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Sean Nelson

Nelly Security | In reply to Sean Patton | 05/24/18 04:02pm

***** ***? ** **** **** **** *** ********** ** ** VMS ******* **?

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Sean Patton

IPVM | In reply to Sean Nelson | 05/24/18 05:11pm

**** ******** ** *** ************ ** *** "*** ****** *****'"

** ** *** ******* ** ****, ** ****** *** ******'* use *** ** **********.

Undisclosed Manufacturer #6

In reply to Sean Nelson | 05/24/18 05:12pm

*** ********* *****, *** **** **. **** ** **** *********** means... *** ******* ** ****** *** ******** ** **** *** application (*****, **** ******, ****, ***). *** *** **** *** and *****. **** **'* ** ** ***** *** ******* *********, mixed **** ****** *** ****** *********.

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Sean Patton

IPVM | In reply to Sean Nelson | 05/24/18 06:03pm

**** ******* **** *** ********** ****,******* ***** ***** ******** ********** ** * ********* **.

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Sean Nelson

Nelly Security | In reply to Sean Patton | 05/24/18 06:14pm

*******! ****** **** * ******** ******** *** * ** ******* VMS ******!

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Sean Patton

IPVM | In reply to Sean Nelson | 05/24/18 06:18pm

*** **** ****** *********.

Undisclosed #5

In reply to Sean Nelson | 05/24/18 03:52pm

*** ** **** ** ****, * ***** ****** ****** ***** about *********** **** ** *** ***** *****.

*****. ********** *** ********* ******** *** **** **** ****** **** of * ************ ******. *************, **'* ******** * ***** ********** of ***** ******* ***********.

******* *** ******** ** * ****** *****'* *********** **** ** take **** ****** **** ** ***, ****** *'* **** ** see ****** ******* ** *******. ** **** **'* ****** ****** that ***** **** ******** (** *******, *** ******** ** ******** security) ***************** ** * ****** ** *********** ******.

** *** *** *** ***** **** **** ** * ** channel *** *** ***, * ***'* ***** *** ******** ************ or ****** *********** ***** ** ****** *********. ** ***** ****** a *** ********** *********** *** ******** ** **** *** ********** ****** **** ******, and *** *** **** ********* ** ******** *********** ********.

* *** ******* ** * ***-*********** ** ***** **** *** a *** **** ** ********* *** ** ******** ******** *** drivers *******, *** *** **** ** ***** **** ** *** vs * ****** *** * *** ** *** ********** ******* a ***** *** ** **-*******.

Francesc Tortras

In reply to Undisclosed #5 | 05/24/18 03:58pm

****** ** **** **** *** *** ***** *** **-*******. ** move *** ****** ** * **** * ***** **** ** the ****.

Undisclosed #5

In reply to Francesc Tortras | 05/24/18 04:36pm

** **** *** ****** ** * **** * ***** **** be *** ****.

* ***'* ***** ** ******** ** ****, *** ******* * didn't **** ** ***** **** ****. ** ***** ** **** the ********* ** ******** ************ *** * ** ******* *** and * ** ******* *** *** *** *********** *********. ****'* suggestion **** *** **** * "*** ****** *****'" *** * VMS ** ********** **** *** ******** ************ *** * *** are ************ *********.

*** ******** ********** ******* *** *** ** ******** **** **** a **** ****** ** **** **** * ***** ** **-*******.

*****, **** ** **** ** ******** ***** ******* **** *******. And ***** *** ********** **** **** *** *** ******** *** to ******** ******** ************ ********* ******** ************, ****-***** ****** *********, and **************. ******** *** ********** ******* *** ***** ******* **********, I ***'* ***** *** ****** *********** *** ******** ************ ***** be ************ *********.

Michael Miller

In reply to Undisclosed #5 | 05/24/18 05:02pm
  • ***** *** ********** **** ***’* *** ** **** ******* ** Linux, ** ** ********* ** ****** ***are *** **************

*** **** ***** *** **** **** ** **** *********.

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Sean Patton

IPVM | In reply to Michael Miller | 05/24/18 06:17pm

*** *** ******* ** ** *********, ***** * ******* ** Googling ***** ******** ************* ** * ********

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