SimpliSafe Violating California, Florida, and Texas Licensing Laws

By: Dan Gelinas, Published on Aug 14, 2018

IPVM has verified that DIY security system provider SimpliSafe, founded in 2006 and acquired in June of 2018 at a billion dollar valuation, is violating alarm licensing laws in California, Florida, and Texas.

In this note we:

Explain how state licensing laws work
Show how SimpliSafe is violating these laws
Examine how this works in California, Florida, and Texas
Contrast to other US states

Moreover, in response to IPVM's investigation, SimpliSafe has admitted that they do require licenses and now plan to obtain them, many years after they started selling alarm systems.

**** *** ******** **** DIY ******** ****** ******** SimpliSafe, ******* ** **** and******** ** **** ** 2018 ** * ******* dollar *********, ** ********* ***** licensing **** ** **********, Florida, *** *****.

** **** **** **:

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**** *** ********** ** violating ***** ****
******* *** **** ***** in **********, *******, *** Texas
******** ** ***** ** states

********, ** ******** ** IPVM's *************, ********** *** admitted **** **** ** require ******** *** *** plan ** ****** ****, many ***** ***** **** started ******* ***** *******.

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********** ** *** ** the ******* *** ***** providers, **** **** "* million" *********, *************** **** traditional ********* ***** **** label ** "***** ********":

How ***** ********* **** **** *** ***** *******

****, *** *** ***, states **** **** ********* alarm ********* ** ******** to **** *******. ********* vary **** ***** ** state (*** **** ***** ********* guide). *** *******, ** Florida, ***** ******* *** regulated ********* ***** ******* ***, ** *** ******* below *****:

******* ********** ****** ** many ******, *.*.,**********, ********.

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How ********** ** ** *********

********** **** *** **** their *** ******** ** any ** *** ****** (California, *******, *****) ** checked. *******, **** **** on **** ********** *******.

*******, ** ******** **** these ******' ********* **** SimplisSafe **** **** ***** own ******* ** **** systems ** ***** ******.

California ********* ******

************* ******** *** *********** Code ****** ** ******* ****.*:

*** ***** **** **** that ****** *** ***** an ***** ****** ** the *****--**-******* ** ***--**** have ***** *** *******. The ***** **** ********* that ********** *** ** license ** *** *****. They ************ ******* ******************** **** ********** *** not ******* *** *********.

Florida ********* ******

******* ***** ******* ***, **** **,******* .*** ** *** statute ******* ********* ******* ** ********** the ***** ******** *** making **** ***** ************* practicing ** *** ***** have ********** ********* ********** to ******** ********-******* ****** and ******* ****** ******:

*** ******* ********* ***** ** ******* .505, *********** (*)(*) & (b) *** ********** **, the **** *** * license, *** ******* ******** licenses:

********* ** *** ***** also ********* ** **** that ****** *** ***** an ***** ****** ** the ***** **** **** their *** ******* *** that ********** *** ** license ** *** *****.

Texas ********* ******

******** *********** ******** ** ******* ****.*** that * ******* **** sells ***** ******* ** the ***** **** ** licensed ** ** **:

********* ** *** ********** also ******** ********* *** necessity ** ********* *** that ********** *** ** license ** *****.

How ** ****** ****** *** **** *** *** *********

********* ****** **** ********* penalties ******* ** ** a ****** **** * years ** ******. ********* ***** ******* ***.***, section (*), ** ******* ***** ******* ** a *****-****** ***********:

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***-********** ***** *** ***** offense ** * **** serious ******, ** **** here ** ******* (*), subsection (*):

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** **********, *****,** *** *********** ****, does *** *******************, *** **** **** more ********* *****:

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Ring ********** - ******** ** ***** ******

*** ******* **********, **** a ******* ******** *****, Amazon's ****, **** **** their *** ******** ** many ******, ******'* ********* **** ************:

Consultant ********* ******** ** ****

**** ****** ******* '******** consultants' ********* ****** *** recommendations ** ******** ** be ******** ** *** state **** *** ********* such ***********. ********** *** be ********* **** ** well ** **** **** recommendations **** * ****** they ***** ** * 'security **********' ** ** show ***** ** ** email **** **** ** IPVM:

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*** *******, ** *****, the *********** **** **** in ******* ****.*** **** anyone ********** ** ** a ******** ********** **** have * ******* ** do **:

********* ******* ***** ******** ************* ******* **** "********" design *** "*******" ***** systems ******* *********:

**** *** *** ******** the ***** *** '******** consultants' ****** ***** ******.

*ther ***** ********* **********

***** *** ** ***** states ** ***** ********** is ********* ***** ****. IPVM *** *** ******* each *****. *** ********* violation ******* ** ******* the ***** ***** ** exception *** *** **** that ********** **** *** sell ** *** **** or **-*******. *********, *** example,** ********* **** ***** 62, ******* ** **** simply**** ****** ******* ** attempting ** **** ** alarm ****** **** ** licensed:

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SimpliSafe ****** ** ******** ** ****

** ******** ** ****'* investigation, ********** ******** **** need ** **** **** licenses ** **********, ******* and *****:

*** ********** **** '*********' this *********, ******* **** selling ***** ******* ** these ****** *** **** years ** *******. ** asked ********** ** ********* on **** *** **** share ** ** **** they ******* *******. **** also ***** ** ****** up **** ********** ******* the *********** ********* ** these ******.

Comments (43)

John Honovich

IPVM | 08/14/18 02:00pm

***, ********* *********!

*** ********:

**** ***** *** ***** of *** ***** ** motivate ********* ** ** the ***** *****.
** *** **** ***** for ******* **** **** where *** ******* * company ** ********* *** law ** ******* ******* ethical ********, *** ** know. ******* *** ** dan@ipvm.com

Dan Gelinas

IPVM | In reply to John Honovich | 08/14/18 02:07pm

***** ***, ****! ******, IPVM *****, ***** *** to ** **** *** leads *** *'** **** into **. **** *****!

Undisclosed Manufacturer #6

In reply to John Honovich | 08/22/18 03:18pm

** ** ****, **** is *** **** ********* and ******** ******* **** provides. ***** *** ****** to ******* ****** ** keep *** ******** ******.

Sean Nelson

Nelly's Security
08/14/18 03:11pm

**** ** *****, **** good ** * *** if *** *** ********.

Stephen Schulz

IPVMU Certified | In reply to Sean Nelson | 08/14/18 04:27pm

*** ********** ***** ***** control *** *****!

Clint Hays

In reply to Sean Nelson | 08/14/18 11:43pm

**** *********** ****? :*

Dan Gelinas

IPVM | 08/14/18 03:18pm

** ***** *** ******* Board ***** *** **** police **********. ** *** a ******** **** *******:

********** ******* *** ********* professionals ** *********** *** be ***** **** ********** Unit ** *********** ** any ******** ******. * complaint *** ** ***** online, ** ** * complaint **** *** **** be ********* ** *** of *** ******** ******* for *************.

**'* ** ** *** guys ** *** *****. Local ***** ***********, ** I **** ** *** story, *** ******* **** concerned **** ***** ** ********** with ***** *** ***** codes *** ****. ** you *** ********* **** you ***** ** * violation, ****** **.

Sean Nelson

Nelly's Security
In reply to Dan Gelinas | 08/14/18 05:05pm

******* ** *** **** weekly ***** ***** **** topic *** ***** ******** get ********* ****** **** these ******? :)

Robert O'Rourke

08/14/18 04:37pm

******* ** ******* **** with *** ************ ** systems ** **, *** I ** **** ********** is ***, ********** ********* and *** *********** (********* Apprentices) **** ** ** licensed *** **** * Public ****** ******* (******* and *** *********) ** install ******* *** *** Comcast ** ********** *** required!

Shannon Davis

TED Systems
08/14/18 04:57pm

** ** **** ** new ****** ** *** Alarm ********. **** ***** laws **** ******* *** idea ** * "** it ********" ***** ****** wasn't **** * *******. The ****** **** **** of *** **** *********** policies ** ***** ** so **** *** ********** company ****** **** **** they *** *****. ** Oklahoma *** ******** *** have ** ** ***** level *** ** ***** maybe ***** *** ** this ** **** ** was ** *** ****. In ***** ** *** that ************* *** *** to ** ******* * training ***** ***** ** someone *** ******** **** the ******** ******* ***** a ***. ** ** it *** * ****** as * *** **** installing ******* *** ***** some **** ****** ********** but ****** ** *** class *** * ****** of ***********. *** ** say **** ****** *** be **** ***** *** money *** **** ****'*.

Sean Nelson

Nelly's Security
In reply to Shannon Davis | 08/14/18 05:03pm

**** **** * ********** now ** ******** *** have ** **** ***** a ******* *** **** and **** ****** ** time ****** *** *** go *** ** **** own *** ******* ** your ***. *** ****** like * **********. *** actually ****-*********** ***. ** curious ** ********** *** a ******* ** ********.

Shannon Davis

TED Systems
In reply to Sean Nelson | 08/14/18 05:13pm

*** *** **'* **** restrictive *** ***** ***** it. ****** *** **** a **** *** **** doesn't **** **** **** what **** *** *****. If *** **** ** work ***** * ******* or ******* **** ********** for * *** ****** of **** **** *** learn *** ** ******* security ******* *********. * know * *** ** times ***** **** ***** get *****, **** *** a *** ** *****, a *** ** ***** and * ** ****** run **** ** *** it ****** ** ********. They **** ** *** and *** *** ******* in * ***** *** end ** ******* ****** to **** ***** ** didn't ******* *** ********* properly *** *** ******** get ******* **** ***** alarms. ****** **** ** this ******** *** **** 25 ***** * **** seen ** ***. **** is ** ********* **** a ******* ** ***********. Would *** **** ******* to **** *** *** attempt ** *** **** plumbing *** ** ********** and *** **** **** they *** *****? ******* reason *** **** ** Oklahoma ** **** *** fire ******* ** *** security ********. **** ** residential ***** *** ***** about ***** ***** ********* can *** ****** **. It *** ********* **** me **** ** *** put ** * **** system *** ****** ** it ***** ** ***'* do ** ** ***. If *** ****'* ** it ***** **** *** are ******* *******'* **** in ****** ** *** fire ********* ****** ****'* work ******** *** ** improper ************ *******. *** obviously **** *** *** wireless ********** ************* *** much ****** *** **** a **** ***** **** wired ****** *** ***** still *** ** ******** made.

Jon Jones

In reply to Sean Nelson | 08/15/18 02:35pm

*** ** ****** *** still ***’* **** **** own ***. **** ** the ********** ** **** companies ******** ****.

Dirk Hedlund

08/14/18 08:50pm

'****'/ ***** ********* *** it's ***** *********** ********** from ***** ** ***** is *********** * **** in ** *******. ****, we *** ******** ****** to ***** ******* ***** and ** **** **** but, * **** *** to *** ***** *** supposed ***** ******** **** to *** ********.

** ***** ****** *********** on ********** ******* ***** solutions *** *** ******* required *** ********** ***** status **** ****** ** address *** ******* ********** set ** **** *********** edge *******/ *** *********. Licensing, ** * **** come ** **** ** in *** ***** ** TN, ** * ***** means ** ******* *** legacy ******* ***** ****** and ***** *********** ** the *****.

************ ** ********** *** presenting *** ********** ***** to *** ****** ***** will ****** ** ** greater ***** **** ********* under *** ***** ** consumer ********** *** ***** standards.

Undisclosed Integrator #2

In reply to Dirk Hedlund | 08/15/18 11:41am

* *****, * ***** the **** ***** **** I *** ** ***** work ** ** ** electrical *****. *** ** I **** ** ***** years *** **** ** money *** ** ********* piece ** ***** ** work ** ******* *****? Why ** * **** a ******* **** ******* teaches ** ********** * need ** **** ** fix *******'* ********** ******?

Dan Gelinas

IPVM | 08/14/18 08:58pm

** * ***** *** question **, "** ** worth **?" ****** ** get *** *********** ******* so **** ** ** more **** ** ***** players *** *** **** the "****** ******* ***** cartel" *** *******? ** is ********** ** ******* of *** **** **** no *** ***** ****** to ****** **, ****** it, ****** **, ***.?

Bryan McGee

08/15/18 02:34am

*** **** ***** **** Dave ******* ** ** a "******** **********" ** possibly ******** *** ****. Will ********** **** ** my **** ** ******** and ******* ** ******* my ******? **** * sign-up *** **********, *** bills **, ********** ** COPS? *'* *** ********* SimpliSafe *** *** ** this ********* **** * local ******** *********** ******* a ****** ******** ****** or ***** ***/****** *******?

Dan Gelinas

IPVM | In reply to Bryan McGee | 08/15/18 02:09pm

** *** ** ** YouTube *** **** ** some ** *** ***********, you *** *** **** SimpliSafe ****** *** ********** from **** ** **********'* award-winning ********** *******, *** then ** ****** **** admit **'* ****. *** sure **: *******. **** DO ***** "************" ************. We're ************* **** ** well.

Undisclosed #1

08/15/18 10:47am

******** ******** ** *** Simplisafe ** **** ******* D. *****, ***, ***...

** **** **** ******** than ***** *** ****** in *** *****.

Undisclosed Integrator #4

In reply to Undisclosed #1 | 08/16/18 01:28am

* ** ******** ********* he *** *** ******* in ***. **** ***** like *** **** ** could ** ****** ** an *********.

Jay Hobdy

IPVMU Certified | 08/15/18 12:36pm

**** **** **** ***'* limited ** ****** **** ** it? **** ***** **** Buy? **** *** ******* the **** ******** ****** in *** *****. * am sure ***** ** * long **** ** ********* selling * *** ******** in ***** ******.

Dan Gelinas

IPVM | In reply to Jay Hobdy | 08/15/18 02:11pm

**** ****** ** ******* exemptions *** ***** ******* sold ** ****** ****** like **** ***. *** question *******, **** *** Geek ***** **** ** be ******** ***** ****'** coming **** **** **** and ******* *** ****** up?

Steven Burman

In reply to Dan Gelinas | 08/16/18 03:18pm

**********. **** ** ***** business "** *******".

Undisclosed #3

In reply to Jay Hobdy | 08/15/18 04:43pm

***,

* ******** **** your *******. **** *** would *** **** * license ** **** *** system. *** *** ***** sell ********* ** *******, they ** *** **** the ******* ** **** are * *********** *** have ** ********* **** the *** ****.. *** provider **** **** * license. ** **** *******, Ring ***** **** *** proper ******** ***** **** appear ** ****. **** Buy ** *** * provider, **** *** ****** one ******* *** ************. Just **** ******.*** *** Costco ** *** **** a ******* *** ******* the ******. **** **** helps.

Jay Hobdy

IPVMU Certified | 08/15/18 06:40pm

****, * ***** ** can ***** ** ********.

**** ** *** ***** in *** ** *** pretty *****. **** *** SELL ** *******, ***. There ** ** ********* or ****** **** **** a ******* *** ****** a ******* ***** ** the ************ ***** ********. The ***** ***** ** being ******** ** ** ensure *** ****** *** the ********* ** ******* a ***** ********.

* ***** ***** ****** selling **** ******** ******** would **** * ******* according ** *** ***** listed ***** ****** ***** is * ******** ********* somewhere.

** *** ** ***/*******, they ******** ****** **** a ******* ** ******* states. ***** ** ******* in *** ***** ****** in *** ** **** exclude ********* ************.

* **** *** ** Supreme ***** *** ***** that ** *** ***** legislators, ****** ** *******/******* something ** *** ***, they **** *** ** make ***** ********** *** that *** *** ****** be *********** ** *******. I **** ** ****** other ****** **** *** same *******.

**** ** ** * believe ** ** ***** as *** **** **** says *** ******* ***********, and * ** *** think ******* * *** is ***********.

Sharon Voto

08/16/18 02:18pm

** ** *** ** you **** * *******. I ***** * *** of **** *** ***** getting ****. *** * have *** ***** *** companies *** **** ****** like ****** ******* **** systems, ******** ***. **** don't ****** **** *** of *** ********* *** but **** ******** ** sell ***** ******** *** devalue ** ********.

Steven Burman

08/16/18 03:14pm

** *** ***** ** going ** ** ***** every ****** ** *** alarm *******? ***** *****, Fry's, ***?

**** * ****** *** Las ***** ****** ** ADI, *** **** **** me **** ** ***** have ** ****** ** the **** ********* ** an ***** *******. *** balked ** ****, ** course, ** ** ***'* sell ** ******* ** premise. *** **** ****'* care. **** ** ******* out **** ***** ***** sold ****** *** (******) panels, *** **** **** us, ******** ** **** some ***** ********, **** they *****'* ********** ** pursuing ***** *****, *** that ** ***** ****** this *******. *** ********* took ******* ** ****, and *** ******* ******* sending ******* *** *** they **, *** **** the **** ******** **** ADI (******* ****) ****'* a *****-**** ******** **** would ** *******, *** licensing *********** ********* **** away. ** *** ** California ****, *** *** clearly ****** "** *******". BSIS ***** ********* **** as ******* *** ***** whatsoever, *** ****'** ***** to *** **** ****** going ***** ***** ***-*** resellers.

***** **** *****'* ** -

Richard Lavin

Idibri Consulting
IPVMU Certified | 08/16/18 03:43pm

********* *** ***** ** licensing *** "******** ***********", I ***'* **** ***** Tennessee, *** ***** *** an ********* *** ******** engineers. * ******** ** can *** ** * "Private ******** ********** ****" and ****** ******** ******* without ***** ************ ******** as ****.

********** *. **********

****.***. ******* ***********.

(*) **** ******* **** not ***** **:

(*) * ******** ******** practicing *********** **

******** *********** *********** ******** under ******* ****,

********* ******** ********, ******* alarm ****** ***********, ***

********* **** **********;

**** **** **** **** covers * ******** ******** "practicing ***********". * ***** interpret **** ** **** that **** ***** ********* and/or ******* ********, ****** systems, ***. *** ***** not ****** ** *****/************ of ********* ** ********** of ***** *******.

*'* ** ****** ********** in ******* ***** ***** states ******* ********* *** security ***********. ***** * read **** *** ***** out ***** *********, *** only *** * *** found *** *****.

******:

* ******** ******* *** Tennessee **** **** ** quoted ****** ******** ********* for ******* ****** *********** as * **********. ** reads:

** ****** ***** ****** anyone ** ** *** need, ******** ** ******* of ***** ************** *** ******* ****** certified, ******** ** ********** under **** ****. (******** added)

*'* *** * ****** but ** ** ******* experience, **** ***** * legal ********, **** **** "and" ***** ********* **** specific. * ***** ********* that ** **** **** one ***** ** ** certified, ******** ** ********** only ** **** *************. ** ********* *** required **** *** **********, I ***** ***** ** would ****:

** ****** ***** ****** anyone ** ** *** need, ******** ** ******* of ***** ************* *** ******* ****** certified, ******** ** ********** under **** ****.

*** ******* *** ***** that ***** ***** **?

Jeff Zwirn

08/16/18 10:01pm

****** *** *** ******** investigation ***** * ********* on ******-**** *******

*****://***.*************.***/****-*********/**********************************************************************/

******* *****, *********, *** Research *** ***********, ***.

Bryan McGee

In reply to Jeff Zwirn | 08/17/18 02:15pm

****-

*********** *******. *** *** wireless ***** *** ** detectors **** *****-** ********?

Jeff Zwirn

In reply to Bryan McGee | 08/19/18 03:34pm

*** **** ** *****. However *** ******* *** of *** ******-**** ******* is *** ****** ** an ****. ** *** know, ** *** ************ alarm ********, *** ****** purchase * ******* ***** set *** **** *** recognized ************ **** * control ***** *** **** is *** ******** ** comply **** ** **** and ** *** ************.

*************, ** ***** **** there ** ***** ** have ** ** * loss ** ******** ***/** serious ******** ****** ** death, *** ***** **** AHJ's *** ******* **** take ****** *** *** allow *** ******* ** act ** ****** **** does.

******* *. *****, *********, IDS ******** *** ***********, Inc.

Greg Sachnewycz

IPVMU Certified | 08/16/18 10:09pm

"****" ** *** ******* name ********** **** ** respond ** *********' ****** and ** **** *** marketing ******. ***** ***** be * ****** ***** "Dave" ***** *** **** would ** * ***********.

**** **** ***** ** wonder: ***** ***** ******* are ****-********* ** *** user, **** *** ********* have ** *** * license ** ** "*********"? If **, **** **** make ** ** ******?

Dan Gelinas

IPVM | In reply to Greg Sachnewycz | 08/27/18 07:51pm

**** ****** *** ********** for ****** *** ********* at ***** *** **** or ***** ********, *** for *****.

Timothy Mc Pheron

08/17/18 10:43am

****,

** ***** *** ****** that ********** **** ******** have ** *** ***** for **** ***** ** be ****** **** ******* until * ******* ** granted? ** ****** ***** failure ** **** * license ** * *****, does **** ********** ** a ***** ***** **** from ********* * ******* for * **** ******? Most ***** ********* ***** be ******** ***** *********.

Steven Burman

In reply to Timothy Mc Pheron | 08/17/18 02:50pm

******** **** *** **** are ******* **** ******* licensed, * ***** ***** that ***** ******* *** actually ********* ******** **** need ** ***** *** State ********* **.

Peter Pavlov

08/17/18 12:43pm

*** ******** * **** is ***** *** ******** installing *** ****** ** his/her ****. *** *** law, **** *** ** "Installer" *** **** ** licensed ** ******* ******** systems ********* **** ****** be ***** ***.

*** *** ***** ********* this?

Richard Lavin

Idibri Consulting
IPVMU Certified | In reply to Peter Pavlov | 08/17/18 02:43pm

** *****, ***** ** an ********* ** *** code *** * ********* doing **** ** ***** own ****.

********** *. **********

****.***. ******* ***********.

(*) **** ******* **** not ***** **:

(**) * ****** *** on *** ******'* *** property ** **

******** ***** ** ******* by *** ******'* ********:

(*) ********, *******, ** repairs * **********

******** ******;

(*) ******* ** ********** security ******; **

(*) **** ** ***** a *** *** * security ******

**** **** **** **** not ****** **** **** code ************ ** ****** requirements. *** ********* ***** still **** ** ***** for *** ******** ******* and **** *** **** requirements. ** **** ******* them **** *** ********* requirement ** **** *** doing **** ** *** house **** **** ***.

* ***** ***** **** other ****** ******** **** something *******.

Steven Burman

08/17/18 02:46pm

*** *** ********** *******. These ********** *** ******** to ** "*****/*******" *** extend ** *** ******* of ************.

Timothy Mc Pheron

08/18/18 10:11pm

* ** * *** surprised **** ******* ********** doing **’* **** ** undercut ******* *** ********** by *********** ***** *********, and ********* ***** ************ income; ** *** ***** to ******* *** *********** of ***** ***** ******** disregard *** ***** ********* as * **** ** slow ***** *******.

Undisclosed #7

08/23/18 07:22pm

***** ******* ***** ******** it ***** **** ***** is **** ********* ** some **** *** ***** of ******** *** **** they *****. ********* ****** separate **** ***** **********: monitoring, ************, *** *****. Most ****** **** ***** installation **** *** ***** it ** *** **********/****** buildings (*** *****). **** care ***** **********. **** a *** **** ***** selling. ** *** ****** like ***** ********* **** in *** *******, **** if *** ** *** install ** ******* *** system, *** ***** **** be ********. ** *** are **** *******, *** requirements *** ******* **** demanding **** *** ************ requirements. *** *** ***** makes ** **** *********** but ***** **** *** offering ************ ******** (**********, design, **********), ** ********* seems ** ***** *** line **** ****** *** retail.

****, ****** ********* ** but **** * ******* Louisiana *** **** ******; have ** **** * brick *** ***** ****** with ******** ****** ****** in ***** (** ****** normal ********* ********).

Sean Nelson

Nelly's Security
In reply to Undisclosed #7 | 08/23/18 08:50pm

********* ****** ******** **** three **********: **********, ************, and *****.

******, * ***** ** interested ** * ***** rundown ** **** **** state *******. **** *******.

Undisclosed #1

In reply to Sean Nelson | 08/27/18 09:31pm

** ****** ******** ********* Guide

Undisclosed End User #8

08/27/18 09:07pm

** *** ***, * did **** ** ****'* permit ****** *** *** told * ** *** need * ****** ** install ** ***** ******. This *** ** ****** Hill, **.

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