Sell Dahua or Hikvision At All, Banned From Selling to US Federal Government, Says US HASC

IT
IPVM Team
•Published Aug 29, 2018 13:44 PM

The US House Armed Services Committee (HASC) Communications Director has confirmed to IPVM that if a company sells Dahua or Hikvision at all, they will be banned from selling to the US federal government.

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However, this interpretation / implementation of the NDAA bill banning the Chinese mega-manufacturers is being contested. In this note, we review:

  • HASC's statement
  • Hikvision's lobbying efforts
  • OEM impact
  • Distribution impact
  • Dealer / integrator impact
  • Expected opposition
  • Future rules / guidelines issued

Will this be enforced when the ban officially commences next August? IPVM investigates inside.

Statement **** ** ****

*** ** ***** ***** ******** ********* is *** ********* ***** *** **** bill *** *** ********* ******* ***** and *********, ***** ******, **********.****** ******, ***** ***** ******** ********* ************** Director ********* ** **** ****:

*** *********** ** ****** ******* ** the **********. ** *** “******” ***** Hikvision / ***** ******* ** *** way ** ******, **** *** ****** from ***** ******** **** *** ******* government

Relevant *** *******

*** ****** ** **** ******* ** be ***** ** ***. *** (*)(*) of*** ***, ******* *********** *****:

***. ***. *********** ** ******* ****************** AND ***** ************ ******** ** *********.(*) Prohibition ** *** ** ***********.— (*) The **** ** ** ********* ****** may ***—(*) ***** **** * ******** (or ****** ** ***** * ********) with ** ****** **** **** *** equipment, ******, ** ******* **** **** covered ****************** ********* ** ********as * *********** ** ********* ********* ** *** ******, ** ** ******** ********** ** **** ** *** ******. [emphasis added]

******** ****** **** ********* *********** **** as ***** *** ******* **** ** the **********. *******, *** ** **** is ************ ** ** ******* **** products ** ******, ********** ** ***.

Hikvision ******** ******

********* ** ** ******* **** *** Daily ********* ****, ********* ** **** ***** and ******* ** **** ****:

*** ******* ***’* ******* ** ***** the **** ** ******** **********; ******, it ** ******** *** ** ******** statement ** ************* ****** **** *****prevent *** ****** ** ******** **** ***** ****** **** *********** ******* *** ********* ****** **** ***** ******** **** *** *.*. ********** **********. [emphasis added]

******, ******* *** ****'* *******, ********* is ********** ** ***** ******* ** lobbyists *** ***** ************ ********* *** two ***** ** ******:

****** **** ********* ******* ***** *** other ******** ***** ** *** ****** leading ** ** *** ****'* *******:

Hikvision ** *******

********* *** **** ** ****** ******* (nor ****** ************* ** *******) ***** the ***'* ******* *** ******** ** comment ** *** ** **** *********. However, ***** ***** ******* ***** ********, Hikvision ** ******* ********** ** ******** behind ****** *****.

SIA ** *******

***, *** ** ***** ************ **** on-staff *********, *** **** ** ****** comment ***** *** ***'* ******* *** declined ** ******* ** *** ** HASC *********, ************* ** *** *******, **** *** comment. *** **** **** **** ***** a ****** ********* ** **** ***** in *** ******.

OEM ****** ***********

*** ****** ** **** ********** ****-********* like *** (**********) *** ********* ***** potentially ** **** ******. ** ** hard *** ****-**** **** ** ******* drop ******* ***** ******* ***** **** and *************.

********, ***** **** ***** ***** ** obligated ** ***** *** ********** ** OEMed ******** **** *** ** **** did **, **** ** ***** ********** customers *** **** **** ***** ** Hikvision ********** ********, **** ***** **** be ****** *** ********** ***.

** *** ***** ****, *** ************* risks ***** ********* ****** ***** **** this ***** ********** *** ******** **** the *** *****.

Distribution ******

************ ****** ** ****** ** ** more *******, ******** *** *** *******, etc., ** **** *****, ** *** sell ** *** *****, ***** ********* not ** ******** ******* **** ***** dealer ********* ***** **** ** *** US ******* **********.

********** ****** ********* (**** *&* *****) could ** ******** ** **** ** regularly **** ** *** *****. ******, theoretically, *** ***** ** ****** ** would ** ********** ****** *** *********** inconsequential ** **** ******* *** ***** or *********.

Dealer / ********** ******

**** ***** ** ***-**** *********** ***** avoid **** ******, ** *** *********** who ** *********** ********** **** ***** avoid ***** ****** ***** **** ******* who **** **** **** ***** ** smaller ***-********** ******* ******.

*** ****** *********** (*.*., *** / Tyco *** ***) *** *** **** likely ** ** ******** ** **** as ***** ********* **** ** *** a ***** ** ******** **** *******, price-sensitive ********* *** ******* ** ***** and ********* ***** ** *** **** time ******* ****** ** ******* ********.

******* *** ***** **** **** *** be ******** ** * *** ** selling ** *** ******* ********** *** also ************* **** *** ***** *** federal ********** **.

*** *** ******* ***** *** **** to *** ******** ** *** ***, but **** ************* **** *** ***** Guard (***** ** *** *****), *** *******'* ******** ** ** office (***** *** *** ** ************* ** ******** *******), ** *** ****** **** ** the *********** *********** (***** ********** ** *** ******* **********.)

Potential **** ******* ******

*** ********'* ******* ************** ** ****, to ****, ** **** *** *** only ******* **** ** **** ** the ** ********** (***/** ********** ******, critical **************, ***.).

*** ** **** *********** ***** * far ******* *** ******* ****** - effectively ********* **** ** ****** ******* selling ***** *** ********* ** *** vs ***** ******** **** *** ** government. **** **** ******, **** *********** who ***** **** ************ ** *********** sell ***** ******** *** ****** ** forgo **** ** ***.

***** ** **** * *********** **** that *** ******* *** ******* ** state *** ***** ***********. **** ** already *********: *** **** ** ******* in ******** ****** *** ** ***** and ********* ********* **** ***** *** NDAA's ******* (***** ** **** **** *********).

Expect **** **********

** ****** ************* **** ********** **** the ******** ** ****, ********** **** the ******* ******* ** *** ******** who **** ** ******** ***** **** businesses ** ****** ***** **** *** US ********** *** ***** *****-********* *********. Moreover, ** ****** ********** **** *** private ****** *** **** **** ** an ********* ** *** ** ********** into **** *** ** **** / offered ** ******* **********.

Rule / ********** ****** ******

** **** *****, ** ****** ****** rules ** ********** ** ** ****** by ******** ** ********** ******** ***** how *** *** ** ***** ***********. When **** ******* ** *******. ***** then, ** ***** ****** *********** ******** and ****** ***** *** *** *** should ** ***********.

Poll / ****

Comments (160)
U
Undisclosed #1
•Aug 29, 2018

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U
Undisclosed #2
•Aug 29, 2018

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** ***** **** ******* ****** ***** Calhoun’s ******* **.

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UI
Undisclosed Integrator #3
•Aug 29, 2018
In reply to Undisclosed #2

*** **** *****'* :)

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John Honovich
•Aug 29, 2018
IPVM
In reply to Undisclosed #2

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U
Undisclosed #1
•Aug 29, 2018
In reply to John Honovich

 ** *** **** ***** ** **** your ***** ** *** ******** *** potentially **** / ***** *********** ** your **** ******? ****'* *** ** easy ****.

** **** ****** **** ***** *** causes ******** * ****** ** *** more ********* ** "***'* *******, ***." and "***'* ********* ******, ***." - one ****** ******* ** *** ***** entities ** *** ****** *** ***** of ***** ****** **** ********** ***** if *** **** *****.

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Clint Hays
•Aug 29, 2018
Genetec
In reply to Undisclosed #1

* *** **** ******** ***** * soon ** ** ******** ** *** creations.

 

*** ****** ******* - *** *****

*** ********** ******** - ** *****

 

*** **** *** **** ******* **********/*****/******.

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UM
Undisclosed Manufacturer #24
•Sep 12, 2018
In reply to John Honovich

** ***** ***** * ******?

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John Honovich
•Sep 12, 2018
IPVM
In reply to Undisclosed Manufacturer #24

** ** *** ******** *** ** or ** *** * ******. *** I ** *** **** ** ***** for *****.

*********, ****** *** ** * ********* dealer *** *** ***-******* ** ********** business ** ** * ********* ********.

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UI
Undisclosed Integrator #5
•Aug 29, 2018
In reply to Undisclosed #2

* **** ** ***** ***** *** some ******* ******* ***** ***** ****** feverishly ** *** ******.

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UM
Undisclosed Manufacturer #14
•Aug 30, 2018
In reply to Undisclosed Integrator #5

***** ** *** ****** ******** ** the ******* ******** **** **** *** government: **** ***** **** ******** ** two ****** ********. ***** **** ****, but *** *** **** **/**** ****. you *** **** **** *** **** physical *****, *** ******** ***** **** to *** ** ********** ****** ****.

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UI
Undisclosed Integrator #3
•Aug 29, 2018

**** ** ********** ** *********** ***********.  I'm ********* *** ******* ***** ********* that **** **** ********** *** **** Hikvision/Banned ****** ************ **** ***** ******.  

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MM
Michael Miller
•Aug 29, 2018

** ** **** **** ********* ** Dahua ** **** **** ******* *** the ****?

JH
John Honovich
•Aug 29, 2018
IPVM
In reply to Michael Miller

***, **** *****. ** ********* ** the******** *** *******, ******** '********' *** **** ** 'affiliates' ***** ** ********.

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MM
Michael Miller
•Aug 29, 2018
In reply to John Honovich

* *** **** ***'* **** *** the ***** ****** ****** ** ** over. 

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UI
Undisclosed Integrator #22
•Sep 04, 2018
In reply to Michael Miller

** **** **** ***** ****** ***** Hik *** *******? ** ** **** ok ** **** "**** * ****** bit ** ***" ** **** **** up *** *** **** *** ********* to **?

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UM
Undisclosed Manufacturer #21
•Aug 30, 2018
In reply to John Honovich

**** - ***'* ****** ** *** Stanley *** **** ******** ******* (*** OEM) ** *** **** ** ***** players ********

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U
Undisclosed #4
•Aug 29, 2018

*** ** **** * **** *****? It ***** **** *** ** *** security ******** **** ***** ******* *** are ********* ******** *** ****** ** other ********* ******* **** ******** ***** vendors. ** * ***** *** ******** of * *** ******? **. ** I ***** * *****, *********, ****? No, **, **. *** ** * sell/install **** ****? * **** ** CHOICE, *** ****** ****** *** ***** in ** *** ** *****.

 

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UI
Undisclosed Integrator #3
•Aug 30, 2018
In reply to Undisclosed #4

** ******* *** ** *******.  ******* or *** *** **** **** ****, they *** ******* *******, *******.  *****, IP ******* *** ****** ********* **** lenses ** ****.  *** ***** **** not **** **** *** ** *****?  

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UI
Undisclosed Integrator #22
•Sep 04, 2018
In reply to Undisclosed #4

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JH
John Honovich
•Sep 04, 2018
IPVM
In reply to Undisclosed Integrator #22

***** ***** *** ******** ****** ** an ******** ****** ********. ***** ***** a ******* **** *** ***** *** device ***** **** *** ******** ******* that ******** *** ******.

***** **** **** ******* ********, **** is ************ *********** ** ***** ***** remote ****** *** ************* *** ******* products **** ***** ******** (*.*., ****** analytics, ***-**** *******, ***.). **** ** current ***** - ************ ******* ****** ****** ***** **********. ****** ****** ** **** ****** already *** **** ******** ** *** utility ** *****-********* ******* ******.

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Bas Poiesz
•Sep 04, 2018
In reply to John Honovich

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**** * ***** *****. ****'* *** I **** ******* *** ***********/* ***** rule *** ***** **** **** **** sense. *** **** ***** ******** ** this ****.

UI
Undisclosed Integrator #22
•Sep 04, 2018
In reply to John Honovich

* ***'* ********, *** *** ***** is **** ****** ****** ** ***** sold ** ****** ********** ******* *** caveat **** *** ******* **** ****** wide **** ** *******.

** *** ***** *******, **** ****'* a **** ****** ******* **** **** fills *********** **** *** *** ********** they ****. *** *** ****** ****** the ***** **** ** ******* *** ae ******* *** *******, ************, *********** compromising, ********** *** *********** **** ** an ******* ********, ******** ** ******* persons  **** ******* ********** ** *******. We **** *** **** ****** *** Yahoo ***  - ** **** ***** CCTV ** ****** ***** *** ******? 

****** *** ***** **** * **** and ********* **** ************* ** **** up *** **** ************** *** ***/***/***** resilience, ***** ** *** ***********. **** are **** ** *** ********, *** not ****** ***********.

*** ******** ******* ******** - **** how **** ** *** ** ********** and ******* **** ** ****** ** external ***** ******* *** *** **** storage **** ***** *** **** ********** as ********* *** **'* ********* ** are ****** **** ******* ********* **** its ******* **** *** *****/***** **** bonding?

* ******** ******** ** *** ** end *** ******* ****** ** ****** at ** *********.

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U
Undisclosed #4
•Aug 29, 2018

**** *** * ****? * **** a *** *** **** **** ********. :(

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Howard Kohnstamm
•Aug 29, 2018
IPVMU Certified
In reply to Undisclosed #4

***** *** *****. *** **** ** D ** *.

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U
Undisclosed #9
•Aug 29, 2018
In reply to Howard Kohnstamm

***** ** **** * *** ***, you *** **** *** **** ** avycon ** *** *** *** **** thing.

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CW
Christopher Wise
•Aug 30, 2018
In reply to Undisclosed #9

**** ******* ******** ****??

UM
Undisclosed Manufacturer #15
•Aug 30, 2018
In reply to Christopher Wise

*** ***** *** *****.  ** ** very *******.  **** ** ***** ****** is ****** **** *****.  ***** ******* are *** ****.  

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UM
Undisclosed Manufacturer #15
•Sep 05, 2018
In reply to Undisclosed Manufacturer #15

** *****...*** *****

UM
Undisclosed Manufacturer #15
•Aug 30, 2018
In reply to Undisclosed #9

*** ******** ****.  **** **** * product *** ** **** ****** *** Chinese ********.  *** ************ ****** ** TVT ***, *** ***** ********* *** Virtuoso ****** ****** **** **** ****** facilities.  

PH
Peter Hu
•Aug 29, 2018
In reply to Undisclosed #4

***, ****** (***), *********, ******, ******

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UD
Undisclosed Distributor #13
•Aug 29, 2018
In reply to Undisclosed #4

*******

(2)
BP
Bas Poiesz
•Aug 30, 2018
In reply to Undisclosed #4

@**** *******: **** ** ** *****, people **** ****** *** **** ***** with ****/****** ******* ** *** ***/***** pricepoint.

**** **** ********* *** **** ****** of ********/*** ********/***** ******* *** ** started. **** ***** *** *** ***** name *** *** *** *** ** at * ****** ** ******.

(1)
JH
John Honovich
•Aug 30, 2018
IPVM
In reply to Bas Poiesz

****** **** ****** *** **** ***** with ****/****** ******* ** *** ***/***** pricepoint.

******** *** ***** ***** *** ********* but ***** *** ****** **** *********** share. **** ****** **** '******' *** the **** ***** *** **** ****** make ********** ********* ***** ** ***** sales *** ********* ************ **** ***** support.

** ******* ***** ** **** **** of ******** ** ********** ** ** sales, ********* *** ***** *******, ****** 100+ ******, ******* *** *** ****** to ****** * ***** ******.

*********, ***** **** ** ** *** Uniview, ***** *** ***** ********* *** they **** ****** ***** ******* ***** **** dealers **** ***** '*******' *********** *** local *******.

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BP
Bas Poiesz
•Aug 30, 2018
In reply to John Honovich

**** *** **, *** ***** ******* before *** *** ********* **** ***** staff ****** *******.

** *** ****** ***** ****** ** doubt. ** ***** ** *** ** will ** ***, ** ***** ** that *** **** ** **** **** for *** ******* ***** ** ** funded ***** **** *** ****.

** ** **** ********** *** ************ (and ******* **** *** *****) **** gotten **** ** *** **********, * am ******* ***** **** ** * big ****** ** **** *****.

 

BP
Bas Poiesz
•Aug 29, 2018

** ****** **** **** ********** ****** by ****** ****:

*. ** ******* ***** ********* ** the *****, **** ***** ****** *** have **** ********. ****, * **** comprehensive *********** **** ****** ** ***** up ** ***** **** ********* ******* from *****.

*. ** **** ** ***** *******, then ******* ***** **** ******** ****** than ********** ******* *** ******'* ****. Also, *** *** ******* *** ***** have **** ********** ** ******** ********.

*. ** ***** ******** **** ***** the *****, **** ***** ****** ** a ********* **** **** ******* ***** standards ****** *** ***** **** *** manufacturers ****** ***** **.

 

****** **** ** * ******* ***** these ****** ******* ******** **** **** government ******** ** ****** ******.

** *** **** ***** ********* ** off ******* ** ******* ***** ******, the **** ****** ** **** *************.

 

 

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Sean Nelson
•Aug 29, 2018
Nelly's Security

****** **************! **** **** ***** *** thousands ** ********* ******* ***** *** Hikvision *** ****** ******* **** *** had ** *** ***********.

** **** **** * ***** ********* of *** ******** *** *** *** and ***** **, * **** **** what **. 

** **** **** ********* *** ***** that ***, **** *** **** ********** already *** **** ******* ****** *** bush.

****

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U
Undisclosed #1
•Aug 29, 2018
In reply to Sean Nelson

**, **** ***** *********** ******* ***** products *** ******** ** *** ***** they ****, *** **** ***'* **** to **** **** **** ** ***. I ** **** ******** ************ ****. If *** ***'* ********* *** ***** posed **** ***** ********, *** *******'* be ******** *** ********** *** ******* them ******** "********" *******.

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Sean Nelson
•Aug 29, 2018
Nelly's Security
In reply to Undisclosed #1

**** ******** ***** **** ************* *** ********* ****** **** **** other ***-****** ************* **** **** ** an **** ****** ** *** **** it?

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U
Undisclosed #2
•Aug 29, 2018
In reply to Sean Nelson

**** ** ** ************ ** * company **** * ***** ****** ** intentionally ******* **** ***** **** ***** products, * ******* ** **** ***** by * ******* ******* **********.  

*****, * ****** ** *** ***** dilemma ** *** ********. 

****’* *** *********** ****? 

**, *** ***** *** ************ **** morning **.

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Sean Nelson
•Aug 29, 2018
Nelly's Security
In reply to Undisclosed #2

* ********** **** *** **** ** happy **** ** ******** ***** ** act ** ******** *** *** ** compete *** ******** ***** *** ********* to ** ***** ** **** **** the ******** ******** *** **** **** undisclosed ******. ** ** ***, *** or ***, * ***** *** *********** like *** *** ********* *** ** them *** **** ******* ** **** statement ** *** ******** *****.

*** ********* **** *** ***********. *************** are ***** ** ***** ************. ***** is *** ***** ** *****. *** to **** ***** ******* ** *********. I **** **** **** ********* ** 4 *********.

*'** *** *** **** **** *** liquidation **** **, ******* **** *** can ******** **** **** *****. ;)


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UM
Undisclosed Manufacturer #7
•Aug 29, 2018
In reply to Sean Nelson

*** ** **** ***** ******* ** debatable.

**, ** ***'*. 

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UM
Undisclosed Manufacturer #8
•Aug 29, 2018
In reply to Undisclosed Manufacturer #7

********** ******* **#* - ***** *** blatantly ****** ***** ********* ** *** US, **** ********** *** ************.  

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EV
Ed Vergara
•Aug 30, 2018
In reply to Undisclosed Manufacturer #8

* *****. *** *** **** ** do ** ****** ****'* ***** ** in ***** ***** ***.

(1)
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UI
Undisclosed Integrator #22
•Sep 04, 2018
In reply to Undisclosed Manufacturer #7

***** ** ** **** ******* **** the **. ***** ******** *** ******* tariffs ******* **** ** *** "******" as **** ** **'* ********* ****. That ** *******.

 

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Gary Lane
•Aug 30, 2018
APT .RED
In reply to Sean Nelson

*** ****, ** ******!  * ****** at **** *** **** ** *** an ************* ** **** *** **** for *********. ** ****** ** **** refined, ** * **** *** ** able ** ********** **** *********** **** well.

***** * ****** *** ********** **** out ** ** ********; ** ******* that *** ******* ********** **** **** laws ** ******* ******** ****** **** knowingly *** ********* ******* ******** *** personal ****. ** ***** ** ** this ** * *** ******* ** the ******* ********** **** *** **** few *****.

*** ** ***** ****, ***** ** plenty ** ***** ********** ******** **** prefer ******** **** **** ********, *** will ** **** *** **** ****** of ********* ** *****.

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Sean Nelson
•Aug 30, 2018
Nelly's Security
In reply to Gary Lane

****** ****. **** ************ ** ******** to *** *****. **********, * **** stay ****** ** ****** ***** ****, although *** ********** **** *** ********* yourself. * **** * *** *********** for ********* *** ********, * **** *** ** *** products ***** ** **** *** ******* to. ***** *** *** *********, * **** *********** ******** **** a "*******" ******* ******.

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UM
Undisclosed Manufacturer #18
•Aug 30, 2018
In reply to Sean Nelson

*** *** **** *** ****** ** back ***** *** *************** ** **********!!

******* ***** ************* ** * ******** risk ** *** ** ***, *** critical **************...

*** **** **** ********* ** **** profits ** ******* **** ******* **** you *** ** *** ***** **** present.

** *** **** ******* *********... ***** while *** ***...

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U
Undisclosed #4
•Aug 30, 2018
In reply to Undisclosed Manufacturer #18

****** **** ******* ***** ************* ***** a ******** **** ** *** ** gov ******* * ******* ***** ** naivety.

*** *** *** ******* ***** ** cameras ** *** *** *** ******* a ***** *** *** ** ******** risks. * **** * ****** ****** you *** **** ** ******** ** more *********** **** ***** = ***/******** else = ****.

*** **** ****** ** ******* ** keep ** ******** *** ********** ******** out ** **** ****, ** *** know ****. ** ***'* ******* **** to **** **** **** ***** **** applies ** *** ** **************. *** as *** ***, *** ***'* ****** keep *** ********, *******, ***, ***, 16yo ******* *** *** ** **** network. *** *** **** ****** ***** you *****? 

** *** ***** *** ******* **** a ******* ******* ** ** **** systems?

***** *** ** *** **** **, but ** ** ** *** ********* security ******* *******, *** *** **** are ******.

**'* *** **** **** ** **** systems ******* *** *** ************* ***'* even **** ** *** ****** ***** to ****** *** *******.

*** * ****** ****** *** *** how **** ******* *** ***** *** still ******** ** **********.

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UM
Undisclosed Manufacturer #19
•Aug 30, 2018
In reply to Undisclosed #4

****** ** ** **** ***'** ****** you **** ******* ***** **** *******.

***** ********** **** ******* **** **** of ******** **** ********* **** "*** camera ***** *** **** ****** ** risk ** *** ***** ******" ** putting ***** **** ** *** ****.

****, ** * ***'* ***** ******* have ****** ******* **** ** **** system. **** *** **** *** **** country **** ****** **** *** ** almost *** ******** ** ***** ******. China ** ***** *** ***** ********** and **** ******** ************ ******* ***** manufacturers **** ***** ***** ** *** world.

****** ****: *** ** ** *** okay *** *** ** ** ** the ***** **** ***** ** ***** and *********** ***** ***** *** ** our ******?

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U
Undisclosed #4
•Aug 30, 2018
In reply to Undisclosed Manufacturer #19

****** **** * ***'* ******* ***** shit? *****, *** **** ** $*** for * ** ******,, **** ***'* cheap. **** **** $** *** * full ******? ****'* ***** ** ***** for ** ******* ****.

* ******'* *** **** ****** *** the **** ****** ** ****. *'* saying **** -*** *** **** ****- all **** *** **** **** ** risk.

*** *** **** ****** ** ** network, *** *** **** *** *** risks ** ***** ***** ****** ** my ***.

**, *** *** ******* **** * camera ****** *** ** ********** ** China, *** *** ***** **** *** Chinese *** **** ** ** ***** systems ******. *** *** *** ******** a ******** **********.

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UM
Undisclosed Manufacturer #19
•Aug 30, 2018
In reply to Undisclosed #4

****** ** ***** *** **** **** an **** ****** ****** ** **** asking ** ******* ***** *** *** a * *******. ***'** ************ * ******* **** ****** ** has ** **** ** *******.

 

*'* *** ******** ** ** * security **********. *** ** ***** *'* a *******.

(1)
UI
Undisclosed Integrator #22
•Sep 04, 2018
In reply to Undisclosed Manufacturer #18

******? *** **** *** *** ** vulnerabilities - ***** **. ** **** benevolent ******* ** *** ********** ** profits - ** **** ******* *** a ****** ******* (*****) ** ** it ******* **'* ************ ********?

***** **** **** *** *** **** own ** ************ ***....** **** **....

UM
Undisclosed Manufacturer #18
•Aug 30, 2018
In reply to Sean Nelson

*** * *********, **** **** ****** to ** *****, ***** ** *** can *** *** **** ***** *** intentional, ******* *** *** *** **** are ***...

** *** ******* ***** ** * hostile ********** ** *** **, * suggest *** *** ******* *** **** in *******...

***** * *********, **** *** ****** that **** ***** **** ** ****  business, ** ** *** *** *********** concern ** *** **** ** *** cheap *** *******, **** ****** **** to *** ******** ****** ** *** end ****, ****** ** *******!!

UM
Undisclosed Manufacturer #21
•Aug 30, 2018
In reply to Sean Nelson

"*** ********* **** *** ***********"

*** *** *** ** ** **** Sean?

**** ******* *** **** *** **?

 

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U
Undisclosed #4
•Aug 29, 2018
In reply to Undisclosed #2

*** *** *********** ***** ******* **** has ****** * ******** ****** ******* to *** **** **** ** ***** capitalism? *******, *********, *******, *****, ****, EA ******, **********. *** ******** ****** be, **** ******* *** *** ******* a ********? **** * **** **** company, *'** *** *** ****.

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U
Undisclosed #4
•Aug 29, 2018
In reply to Sean Nelson

****** ***** ******* ** *** * can ***** **. *** ** *** other ** ****** *************  ****** ******* issues ** * *** ** ***** devices **** ******* **** ** *** same ******** *********. ****'* *** **** you *** ** ******* ***** *********, you'll **** ****** ******* ********** ***** to ***** ***** ********.

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Sean Nelson
•Aug 29, 2018
Nelly's Security
In reply to Undisclosed #4

***** **** *** ***** ** *** state *****, ******* ************ **** ********.

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(1)
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U
Undisclosed #1
•Aug 29, 2018
In reply to Sean Nelson

**** - *** ****** ***'* *** exactly *** ******** *** ***** ********** is **** *****, ** ***? *** don't **** *** **** ** *** backdoors *** *************** ********** ** *** were *********** ** ***.

*** *** "****" ** **** **** have **** ***. **** ** **** both ***** *** ********* **** **** shown ** ** ********* *** ************* in ******** ****. 

*** **** *** *********** *** ********* or "**** ****" ******'* ********* ****. You **** **** ************ ***** *** ill ******** *** ***** *** ***.

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Sean Nelson
•Aug 29, 2018
Nelly's Security
In reply to Undisclosed #1

**** - *** ****** ***'* *** exactly *** ******** *** ***** ********** is **** *****, ** ***? *** don't **** *** **** ** *** backdoors *** *************** ********** ** *** were *********** ** ***.

****** ********* ** ** **** ******* knowledge *** *** ***** ******** ** every ***** ******* ******* **** ** or **** ******** **** *** ***** government.

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U
Undisclosed #1
•Aug 29, 2018
In reply to Sean Nelson

****, **** *** *********** ** ******* that *** *** ******* *** **** ass *** ***'* ******** "****" *** way ** *** ***** *** **** China ** ******** **** *****, ** the ********** ****** *** ********* *** in *********'* ********.

(3)
(1)
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Sean Nelson
•Aug 29, 2018
Nelly's Security
In reply to Undisclosed #1

* ***** ******** ****, ********* ** ass *******. * ***** *** ** enlighten ** **** **** *********. ******* forward ** **** ***-**** **** ******* knowledge.

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Rich Moore
•Aug 29, 2018
In reply to Undisclosed #1

*** *** **** ****?  * ******* enjoy ******* *** ******** ** * tend ** ***** ********* *** **** an *********/**********'* ***********.  ** *** *** want ** ** ** **, ****** do ** *******.

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UM
Undisclosed Manufacturer #12
•Aug 29, 2018
In reply to Sean Nelson

****, ***'** ******** *** ********* ********** is *********, ******* ************ **** ********* *** make.

*********** *** ********** ******* ************ ********* are *** **** ** *** **** respected ****** ** *********** ** *** industry.

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BP
Bas Poiesz
•Aug 29, 2018
In reply to Undisclosed Manufacturer #12

** *********** ** *** *** *** ***** make * **** *** *** ************ needs ** ****. ******* *** **** are *** *** ******* ** *** from ********* 

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JH
John Honovich
•Aug 29, 2018
IPVM
In reply to Bas Poiesz

******* *** **** *** *** *** biggest ** *** **** *********

***** ******* ** **** **** ***** two *** *** *** ******* ******* China ******* *** ***** ******* ***********, ironic ***** *** ***** ** *** discussing ****.

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(1)
BP
Bas Poiesz
•Aug 29, 2018
In reply to John Honovich

** ****’* *****’* ****, ****’* ******** them **** *** ******* *** ** another ******* *** ***** ** *** over *****? 

*** *** ****** **** *** *** Chinese ******* *** ********* ** ****, and ****’* * *** 

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Sean Nelson
•Aug 29, 2018
Nelly's Security
In reply to Bas Poiesz

**** ** * ******* *********** *** UNV ***** ***, *** **** *****, they ****** ********* ***** ******* ** capturing *** **** *********. ****** ** you **, ****** ** *** ****.

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U
Undisclosed #1
•Aug 29, 2018
In reply to Sean Nelson

****** (********* **** ***** *** ********* themselves) ****** ***** *** **** **** current ***** *** ** ***** *******. The ********* ** ****** ******** ************* **** ****** ***** **** *** *************** *** constantly ***** ***** ** ********* *******.

********* *** ***** **** ** ********* history ** ******** ****** ********* ***************. Far **** ** **** **** ** other ***-****** *************. ****** **** **** the **** **** ***** ******** ********* from * ******* (*****) **** ** not ****** ********** ** ** * US ****. **** ***** ***** ******** significant *****.

** *** ****** (****) ***** * Communist ******** *** ***** ******* *** firmware ******* **** ********** *************** * would ** *** **** *** ********** to *** **** ** ****.

** ******, **** *** **** ********* to *** ******** *****, *** *** don't **** ** ** **** ** evaluate ** ****** "**** *** **** vulnerabilities ****" *** "********* ***** ** money, ********* ** *******'* **** ** them".

*'** **** **** ******, *** ********* go * **** ** *** **** no ******** *************** ***** ******** ******* them *** **** ***** ******** ** vulnerabilities *** ** **** *** *************, and ***** **** ***** ** ********** a **** ********* ******. ***'* *** if ** *** *** ******* *** next ** ****** **** ** *** Hikvision ***** ******** *****'*. 

 

 

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Sean Nelson
•Aug 29, 2018
Nelly's Security
In reply to Undisclosed #1

**** ****** ********* *** ***** *** Hikvision ** ** ******* **** **** or *** ******. ** ******* *** many *************** ***** ****** **** ***** in ***** ********. **** ** * great *******, *** *** ***** ********, but **** *** **** ********* *** traditionally ****** ******* ********** ****** ***** are ********* ********* ** **** **** closed ********. **** ******* *********.

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UM
Undisclosed Manufacturer #18
•Aug 30, 2018
In reply to Sean Nelson

****, *** ********* ******** ** **!!!  Regardless ** *** **** ******* *** sold, ***** ** ** *********** ** the ****** ** ***************... ** * manufacture * *******, ** **** *** make **** ****** ***** **** *********..

********** *******, *** *** *********** ****** systems, * **** ****** ** ********* that *** ***** ****** *** *****, I *** *** ** ** *** their ******* *** *********** ***...

*** ***** *** *** ******** **** by *** ********* **** **** **** is **** *********... ***** ** *****, the ********* ** *** ********* *** been **** ** **** ********** *** loans ** *** ******* **********, *** the ******* ********** ******* ****** *** of ***** *** ******** ******...

 

** **** *** ** *****  感谢上帝，推迟**** ******购买我们的产品!!

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Sean Nelson
•Aug 30, 2018
Nelly's Security
In reply to Undisclosed Manufacturer #18

****, ** **** *******, *** **** vulnerabilities? ********* ** ******* **? ** even *** **** **** ***** ********?

*** ** *** *** ******* ********

*** *** **** ****** *** ***** among *** ***** *************?

*********. 

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U
Undisclosed #1
•Aug 30, 2018
In reply to Sean Nelson

****, ** **** *******, *** **** vulnerabilities? ********* ** ******* **? ** even *** **** **** ***** ********?

****, *** *** * *** ** questions, *** **** * *** ** (misinformed) ******** ***** *** *** ***** Hik ** *** * ******, *** you ****** ***** ******** ********** **** can ** ************* ********.

***** *** ******* **** **** *** numbers ** **** ***, ******* ** "asking" ****** *** *********. ** **** research ** **** *** ***** ** comparable **** *** **** **** **** an ***********-********* ********.

(1)
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Sean Nelson
•Aug 30, 2018
Nelly's Security
In reply to Undisclosed #1

***** *** **** **** ** ** provide **** **** *** ***** ** round *** *** *** ** ****?

(1)
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U
Undisclosed #1
•Aug 30, 2018
In reply to Sean Nelson

***** *** **** **** ** ** provide **** **** *** ***** ** round *** *** *** ** ****?

***, **** ***** **** ******* ** your ****** ***** ********* **** ****** verifiable ****.

**, ** *** ***'* ** ****, just **** ********** *** ****** ****** questions.

(1)
(1)
BP
Bas Poiesz
•Aug 30, 2018
In reply to Undisclosed #1

**** ** ********* ****. ******* *** more *** *** ****** **** *** ever ****, *** **'* ********. ** it's **** *** **** ***** ******* had ********* ******** ** ****.
**** **** ******** ****** ****** *** to **** ***** ***** *****. **** never *** ****** *** **** *****?

** **** ***'* **** ** *** the *** *******, **** ***** ****.

(1)
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UM
Undisclosed Manufacturer #20
•Aug 30, 2018
In reply to Bas Poiesz

***.  ** ***'* **** ** *** the *** *******.  **** ** *****.  Thanks *** *** *******.

(1)
UM
Undisclosed Manufacturer #18
•Aug 30, 2018
In reply to Sean Nelson

***......*** * ****** **** **** ** little ** ********** ** *** ******, the ****** ** *************** ** **********!!

** *** ********, ****** ******* ******** verifiable ***********, *** ******** ***/***** **************....

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UM
Undisclosed Manufacturer #20
•Aug 30, 2018
In reply to Sean Nelson

**** ** * ******** ********.  ********* Windows ******* * ** * ** an ********* ******, ******** ** **** teams, *** ******** ** *** ** hundreds ** ************* ** *******.  ** is ** ********* ****** ******** ** run **** ** ********* ** ******** programs *** ***** **** ***********, ***.

** ** ****** ** ** *** device ** ******** ****** **** * few **** *** ******** ** ** one ******* ***** - ******* ***** and **** ** *** *** *******.

***, ***** *** ******* **** *** run ****, *** ***'* ****** **** for ***.  ***** *** **** * or * ************* **** ** ****, on * ******* *** ** ******.  And ***** *** **** * ******* - ***** * ******* **** ** the *****.  

*** ******* ******, **** ** ********* system ******** ** *** *** ***** code, *** ** *** ** ********* hardware ********* ** ***** ** **** vulnerabilities.  *** ******** ** *** *********** are **** **** **** *** **** updates.

*** *** ******* ** * *** company ****'* *********** ******* ** ****** or *******... ** ****... **** ** why ******* *** ********* ***'* **** it ** *** **...  ***** *** dozens ** ****** ** ******* ** other *** ********* **** ** **** banned,  ***** ** ** *** ** their ***** ******, ** ****** ******* safety.

**** ***** ****.

** ******** ****** ****** ** ****** to ****** ******* *** ***'* **** ** expose *** ******** *******.  ********** ****** be ****** *** ********* *** ******** before *** ** **** *** ****.

* ********* ***** ****** ** ** important ****.  **********, *** **** *** Hik ** ***** *** **** **** better ** ** *) ******** ****** open **. ******* *** ****** ****** fluff ********* ********* *** *) ***** over **** *** ****** ** - get *** ** ***% ****** **** and ******** ****** * *** ****** & *** & *** & ***.  Design ** **** ************* ** ****.  Yeah, ** *** ******* * *** API *** ***********, *** **** - with ********* ** ********* ** *******'* take *** **** :).  ****, * now **** ****** **** ********* *****'* actually ***** ** * ******* ***** on ***-***** ******....

***** **** *** ****** ** ******* no **** ******* *** **** *****.  Use ***** *** ***** ********** *********.  Don't **** *** ********** ** * special **** ********, *** ******* **** YOU *** *** **** ******* **** FIPS ********* *******, **** **** *** not ******** *********.

*******, *** **** ** ***** *** grey ******/*** ******.  * **** **** is *** *** ******* *** *** sell * *** ** ********, *** you **** ** **** **** *******.  Either ** * *** ******* *** cut *** *** *** ** ***** to *** *** ** ****** ***** it.

** **** *** **** *** *** > ****** ************.  ** ** ******** home **** ***** "*************" **** * nice ***** **** ***'* ******** *********** cameras.  * **** * ******* **** in *** **** ** ****** **** of **** **** ***** **** *** to *** *** *** *** **********, etc. **** **** ** **** *** of *** **** ** **** * different *** *** ** ****** ***** it ** ******** **** ***** *** products!!!!

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U
Undisclosed #4
•Aug 30, 2018
In reply to Undisclosed Manufacturer #20

*** *** ** ******/*** ********* ** a **** ******* ********* ******. ******** with * ***/** *****, ****, *****. You *** ******* ******** **** *** want ** *** **** *** ** compile ** ****** *** *** ****** willed ****** ** ****** **********-**** ** packaging ******** *** ******** **** ****** from *** **** ******.

 

** ***** *****, **'* * **** to ******* ***** ****, *** **'* certainly *** **********.

 

(1)
UM
Undisclosed Manufacturer #20
•Aug 30, 2018
In reply to Undisclosed #4

*** ** ** ** ** ****** or *** ****** *** ** * full-fledged **.  ** ****** ** * stripped **** ** **** *** ******* ALL ** *** ******** ********, *********, libraries, *** *******/*******.

***** **** ** *** ********** ******* the ********* ***** ** *************.  **** re-write *** ** *** ****** *** unneeded ******, ****** **** *** *** stock ******** ** **** ****** **** but ***'* ****** ****** ****** (***** telnet).

******* *** ***** ** **** **** manufacturers *** ******* ******** ******* (***).  This ***** ** ** **** * skilled ****** *** *** ****** *** OS ** ********* ******** (*********). **** better ******** *** ******.

(1)
CC
Chris Chambers
•Mar 24, 2019
In reply to Undisclosed Manufacturer #20

********* *** ** ***** *** *** blatantly *******.  ***** ** ****** **** analogy ******* ** ** **** **** run ** ******** ** ********* ** different ******** *******, *** *** ********* of ********* ********/*******/***., ****** * **** limited ******* ****** ***** *** ***** has **** ******* **** **** ******** and ********.  ****** ********** *** * are ********** *** ** ****.

UI
Undisclosed Integrator #22
•Sep 04, 2018
In reply to Sean Nelson

*** ******* ** ** **** **** and ****** **** *** ***** *** time *** ****** ** ********* *************** of * ***** ************? ***, *** and ***** **** * ***** * huge ***** ***** *** ********** *** are ***** ** ** ********* ****** the ****** ** *****-***, ***-******* *** and ****** ** ****** ** ***** the ***** *** *** ******* *** out **** ***** **** * *****. 

**** * ****** * ********** ********* that ** ** ****** ** ** is **********. 

 

UM
Undisclosed Manufacturer #20
•Sep 04, 2018
In reply to Undisclosed Integrator #22

*** ***** ******* *** ********* ***** sold ** *** ********* ** ** federal ********** **********? **** ** *** point ** **** **********.  * ** sure **** ***** ***** ********* **** cyber ******, *** ****** ** *********, but **** ** ******** **** **** discussion ** *** *** ***** *** related ***** ****** ** *** ** bill.

(1)
BP
Bas Poiesz
•Aug 29, 2018
In reply to Undisclosed #1

** **** ** **** *****, *** all *******, *** **** *** *** biggest ** **** ******.

** ***** **** ***** ** * clear *********.

** ****, *** **** *** *** and ***** ******** ** *** *** and ** * *** ***** * new ***** *** * *** *** will *** ** **** ********* ******* company *** ******* **** *** **** hik *** ***** *****. 

****** ***’* ** **** ** ** the **** ****** ***** ******* ** pelco *** *** ***** ** ****. 

**** ** ******** ******* * **** Hik *** ******* *** ****** **** makes ****** *****. **’* * *******.

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JH
John Honovich
•Aug 29, 2018
IPVM
In reply to Bas Poiesz

****** ***’* ** **** ** ** the **** ****** ***** ******* ** pelco *** *** ***** ** ****.

****'* * ********. *** ***** ***** has ******* ***** ** ****, ********, Hanwha, *******, *****, *********, ***., **** ** without *** *******.

** ****, *** **** *** *** and ***** ******** ** *** *** and ** * *** ***** * new ***** *** * *** *** will *** ** **** ********* ******* company *** ******* **** *** **** hik *** ***** *****.

***'** **** **** ******** *** * few ***** ** *'** *******. ********* and ***** *** *** ****** (** the ***** ** * - *** as *****) ** *** **** ******* Chinese ***** ************ ************ **** ***** and ********* **** **** ****** ****** share **** **** ***** ******* ********* inside ** *****. ******* ** ****, your ********** **** ***** ******* ********* will ****** **** *** '****' ** much **** ************ **** *** *****.

*** ***** **** *** **** ** be granting **** ***** ** *********** * cancer, *** ** ***** ** **** treat **** ***.

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BP
Bas Poiesz
•Aug 29, 2018
In reply to John Honovich

* ***** ******* ***** ** ** a ******.

******* * ****** *** ** *** a ******* **** ***** ** **** in *** *** ** ****, **** an ********.

********, ******* ** **** ****** *** discussing ************ *** *** ***** ** UNV *** ******* **.

******* ******* ***** ** *** ***** price *****.

(1)
JH
John Honovich
•Aug 29, 2018
IPVM
In reply to Bas Poiesz

*** ***** ** *** *** ******* up.

******* ******* ***** ** *** ***** price *****.

***** *** ** ***** ** *** ban ******** *** ***?

*** ** ********* *** *** **** common ******* ******* ****** *** **** are * *******, ******* *** ** the ****. **** **** **** ** invest **** ** ******** ** ******** sales *** ********* ** ******* ** be * ******* ******, ***** **** have ******* / **** ********* ** to ****.

(1)
BP
Bas Poiesz
•Aug 29, 2018
In reply to John Honovich

** * ***’* **** *** ** the ****. ** ***** ** *** uselessness ** **** ***.

*** **** ** **** **** *** UNV ** ***** ******* ** **** it.

******* * ***** *** ***** ** set ** *** ******* ****** **** before ***** ****.

** *** *** ****** ** * US ***** ****** **** ** ** weak *** ******* *** ***** ** is **** *** ******?

 

JH
John Honovich
•Aug 29, 2018
IPVM
In reply to Bas Poiesz

** *** *** ****** ** * US ***** ****** **** ** ** weak *** ******* *** ***** ** is **** *** ******?

****'* * ********* ********* ********** **** Dahua *** ******** ************* ** ******* comparably ******. **** ** ****, **** companies, ***** ******* ******, ******** ** maintain ** *********** **** **** **** lets **** ****** *** ****** (*.*. ********* ******** ** ******* ******** *****).

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U
Undisclosed #1
•Aug 29, 2018
In reply to Bas Poiesz

** **** ** **** *****, *** all *******, *** **** *** *** biggest ** **** ******.

**, * **** ** ******* **** that. *'* **** ** *** *** Chinese ************ *******, ****** ******* *********, DVR/NVRs, ******** *** ******* ********** ****** in *** ********** ************ ******. ** would ******** ** ***** ******* **** in *** ******** ****** ** ****, but * ***** **** ** ***********. Similarly, * **** ****** **** *** ban ** ****** ********* **** *** telecom ****** *** ******* ** ****.

***** ** *** *** ****. ** ("we" ***** *** ******* ******** **********) like ***** ***** *****, * *** that, *** ** ** ******** * necessary **** ** * ****** ** fronts ** ****** ***-**** ********** ******** stuff **** *****. ** *** ********** level, *** ************ ** *** ********** level, **** ***** ****** ** ******** banned. * ******* ****** ****** ******* a ****** *** *** ******* ******* when * *** ** ****** ** IT-related ********* *** ******* *********. ** a ******* ** ******* ** ** (directly, ** *********) * ***'* ***** we ****** ** ******** ***** ********* into *** ********.

*** **** ****, * ***** ********* was ***** ******* **** **** ****** government *******, *** **** **** * history ** ***** ******** *************** ****** basically *** ** ***** ********. ***** is ****** ****** ** ***********, **** have ****** ** **** ******* ****** and ********** ***************, *** ** ** suspect *** ******* ********** ***** *** Hikvision ** ** ****** ******, ** is ******* ** ****** **** ******* off *** ***** **** **** **** move ** *****, ** ***** ** well **** *** **** *** ***** from *** *****.

** *** ***********, ** **, ******, or *** ***** *****(***) ******* ************* try ** **** **** ***/*****'* ***** here *** **** *** ****, * would ****** ***** ***** ** ** directly ***** ** ****.

* ***'* ***** *** **** ***** Hikvision *** ***** ** *** ***** of ******* *** ******** ** *** threatening ** ******* *********, **** **** just *** *** **** ******* *** visible ********* ** ***** ****. ***** is ****** **** ** ****.

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(1)
BP
Bas Poiesz
•Aug 29, 2018
In reply to Undisclosed #1

***’** *** ***** ** ** ***** one ** *** ***** ** **** say ****’* ***** *** *** *******.

**** ****** *** ** **** ******* that **** ** ***** *** ********* info.

** *** *** ***** *** * appreciate **** ***** **** *** ***********

(2)
U
Undisclosed #1
•Aug 29, 2018
In reply to Bas Poiesz

******. ****, * ***** *** *** forth **** ********** ****** ** ****.

(1)
CC
Chris Chambers
•Mar 24, 2019
In reply to Undisclosed #1

+*,*** *** "***** ** *** *** ally."

UM
Undisclosed Manufacturer #12
•Aug 29, 2018
In reply to Bas Poiesz

***** ** *** ******* ****** ******* of ******* *******. ******** *** ******* threats ***** *** ******** *** ****** for *** ****** ****** ******* **** do **** * **** *** ** society. ** ******* ****** *******, *** them ***. 

*** **** **** *** ******* ** the *****, ****** ***** *** **** Pelco ** ************ ******* ********* ** the ******. ***** *** ******* ******* of ***** *** ******* ******* ***** two ******. 

* ***** * ****** ***** ***** Hikvision *** *** ********** (*** ******** for *** ********) ** ******** *** perception ****** **** *** **** * professional ****** ****** ****. **** **** able ** ** **** ******* ** an ******** **********-********* ****** *** ******* *** camera ******** ** **** **************, ** specification ****** *** ****** **** ***-*******, low-grade **********, ***** ******* ****** *** swiss ****** ********.

(2)
JH
John Honovich
•Aug 29, 2018
IPVM
In reply to Undisclosed Manufacturer #12

* ***** * ****** ***** ***** Hikvision *** *** ********** (*** ******** for *** ********) ** ******** *** perception ****** **** *** **** * professional ****** ****** ****.

*********** *****. ** ***** ********* ** low ***** *** * *** ********* tactic *** ********* ** ***** ***** success *** ** *** **** ******** downsides:

(*) ***** ***** *** ******* ******** perception ****** ******** ****** ***-**** ******* of ***** ********* ******** *****. **** devalued ***** ************* *** **** **** devalued **********.

(*) ** ***** ** ********* ** price (***** ******** ** **** ** sales *** *********), ********* ******* **** enemies ***** ***** ******. **** ** a *** ****** *** *********** *** largely ******** *** ** **********'* *******.

* ********* ***** **** *********'* ****-**** ******* would **** **** ****** *** ***** so ******** ** ******* ******.

(2)
U
Undisclosed #10
•Aug 29, 2018
In reply to John Honovich

******* ******* - ** *** ****** industry/market **** ****** ** **** ********** of - ** ** ***** *** well-documented ******** **** *** *** **** as ***#*.

** ** **** **** **.

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Sean Nelson
•Aug 29, 2018
Nelly's Security
In reply to John Honovich

* ********. ***** ******** **** ******* is **** **** **** ** *******. Market ********** **** ** **** ******* in ***** ********** ****** ** *** not ********** **** *********** *** ******** this. *** *** ******* *** ****** from *** *** *** ***** ** Simplisafe *** ******?

(4)
(1)
JH
John Honovich
•Aug 29, 2018
IPVM
In reply to Sean Nelson

***** ******** **** ******* ** **** made **** ** *******.

********, ** ** ***** ******** ** quality + ******* ***** ******** + marketing ********. 

****** ********** **** ** **** ******* in ***** ********** ******

*** *******, **** *** * ****** disruptor (***** **** ** ****). *********** did *** **** **** ******* (*) they ******** ** *******, *** ***** and (*) **** *** *** ****** by ** ************* **********. 

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(1)
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Sean Nelson
•Aug 29, 2018
Nelly's Security
In reply to John Honovich

** *** *********** ***** *** **** to ******* ******* ***** **** ******. Look ** *****. ********* **** **** are ***** **** ********* *** *** value **** *** ** *** ********. Axis ** ********* ******* ** **** and ******* **** **** ******** ** the ** ****** ********. ********* **** this ****** *** ****** *** ** business ******* **** *** ** * class ***** ********** ** ******* * new ******** **********.

************, ***** *** ********* *** ******* based ****** ** ******* ***/** *********** old *********** ***** ******. ***** ********* are ********* ***** ** ***** ********** industries ******* ** ***** ***** ********* lower ***** ******* ** ****** ************* altogether. ***** ********** ** * ***** example. ****** ***** ** ***** ** the *****. *** ***. *******. ***. 

(3)
(1)
U
Undisclosed #10
•Aug 29, 2018
In reply to Sean Nelson

"************, ***** *** ********* *** ******* based ****** ** ******* ***/**demolishing *** *********** ***** ******."

************, * ***** ***** **** *****.  As ** ** ********* ****** *** ignores *** *** ***** ****** ***** fair ***** ********* *** **************.

*** * **** *** ********** **** you *** *** ********, *** ******* are ******* ** ****** *** ***** ********** to *** ***... 

(4)
(1)
UM
Undisclosed Manufacturer #12
•Aug 29, 2018
In reply to Sean Nelson

******'* ******** **** **** **** ********. The ********** ** ********** *** ***** companies *** **********. **** ********** ******* them ** ********* *** ************ ***** model ***/** *****. ********* **** ******** everyone **** ************ **** ** *************** in ********** ** ********** ***** *****. 

(4)
BP
Bas Poiesz
•Aug 29, 2018
In reply to John Honovich

** ***’** **** **** ********** ***** to ********** ******... 

**** **** **** **** ** *** any ******* ******* ** ********** ******?

JH
John Honovich
•Aug 29, 2018
IPVM
In reply to Bas Poiesz

* **** *** **** ********. ********* is **** ***** *** ****** ** the ******* **********.

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BP
Bas Poiesz
•Aug 29, 2018
In reply to John Honovich

**** ** ***** ** *******. ***** is *** ********** ***** *** *** as **** ********** ******* ** *** next ************ *****. 

 

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JH
John Honovich
•Aug 29, 2018
IPVM
In reply to Bas Poiesz

***** *** ****** * ******* ******* in ******* ********** ********* *** ************* camps** *** **** ****, ** **** have *** **** ********** ******* **** every *** ******* ***** ************ ************ ********.

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UM
Undisclosed Manufacturer #18
•Aug 30, 2018
In reply to Sean Nelson

*** *** *** ***** *****, *** price ** ***, ** ********* ** the ******* ** *** *******, ********** the ******** *** ******** **** *** had ** **** *************** ********* **** the **** ******....

*** *** **** ******* *** **** now....go **** * *********** ************..

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U
Undisclosed #10
•Aug 30, 2018
In reply to Undisclosed Manufacturer #18

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Sean Nelson
•Aug 30, 2018
Nelly's Security
In reply to Undisclosed Manufacturer #18

****, ******* ********* ********** *****. * know *** *********** ************* *** ***** and *** ****** ******* ******** *** wow!

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(1)
U
Undisclosed #4
•Aug 30, 2018
In reply to Sean Nelson

****, *** *** ******* **** **** arguing **** *********** *****.

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U
Undisclosed #10
•Aug 30, 2018
In reply to Undisclosed #4

(1)
UM
Undisclosed Manufacturer #18
•Aug 30, 2018
In reply to Sean Nelson

******, *** *** *** *** *********** towards **** ******* *********... *** *** on **** **********, **** *****, ********* arguments,

** ******** ** *** ******** *** bowl.....you **** **** ***** ** ****** cheap ********** *******, *** *** **** your ***** ** ** ******** **** a ****** *****, *** *********** ***/***** talking ******...***** **** ***** ** ****** to ** *********** ******* ***** * quality, *** ****** **** ***** **** our ********** ***** ** ***** ******* the ******* *** *** ********* ************* installed ** *** **********!!

*** *** **** *****

 

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Sean Nelson
•Aug 30, 2018
Nelly's Security
In reply to Undisclosed Manufacturer #18

* ***** * **** ****** *** im ******** ** **** ***** *** you *** *** ** *** *******. I **** ***** *** ** **** yourself **** *** **** ******* **** you ******* ****.

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Ryan Ace
•Aug 30, 2018
IPVM • IPVMU Certified
In reply to Undisclosed Manufacturer #18

** **** ** * ************ *****, I ** ****** ****** ******** ** refrain **** *********.

******.

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U
Undisclosed #4
•Aug 30, 2018
In reply to Bas Poiesz

********, **** *** *** ******* *** Chinese. **** *** ******* ** (******** Professionals) **** ******* ******* ********. *** US ********** *** ********* **'* *********/******** responsibility ** **, ******* ******** ******* any *******.

 

*** **** ** *** ** *** ask **.

 

****** *** *** ****** ****** ** step ** **** ********. ***'* ***** every ******** ************ ** ******* **** ill-thought ****.

 

**** **** ********* ****** *** ** HikHau *'***.

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Sean Nelson
•Aug 30, 2018
Nelly's Security
In reply to Undisclosed #4

**** *****. 

** **** ******** *** **** *** tarriffs. *** ***** ******* *** *******. You *** ******* *** ********.

* ***** *** ***** *** ** has ****** **** ******* ******. *** of **** ****** ****** ** ******. I **** ***** **** *** ****** at ***, *** **** ** **** are, *** *****, **** *** * private ******* **** *** ** ** biased ** **** ****.

**** *** **********!!


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(1)
UM
Undisclosed Manufacturer #18
•Aug 30, 2018
In reply to Sean Nelson

** *** ******** **** **** ** a ******* *****?  ****** **** *** the ******** ******* ***** ************* *** you **** *** **** *** ****** of ******* *** ****** **** ***** manufacturers ****** *** ***** ************....

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(1)
UM
Undisclosed Manufacturer #18
•Aug 30, 2018
In reply to Sean Nelson

* ** *** ***** **** "**** think ********* ** ********* *** ******* spies", * ***** ** ** * true ******* **** *** ******* ********** being ** ******** ** ****** *********, that *** ** ********** ****** ***** or **** ** ****.

****** **** *** **** **** **** the **** * ***** ** ** can *** *** ******** ******* ***** another **** ***** *************, ***** ********* are ******** **** ******* ********** ******** because ** ***** *** ******** ********......

**** ** **** *** *** ***** is **** *** *** ******...

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(1)
UI
Undisclosed Integrator #22
•Sep 04, 2018
In reply to Sean Nelson

************* ****. ****, * ***** **** countries ***** *****.....

U
Undisclosed #4
•Aug 29, 2018

*****, * *** ********* ** ***.

UI
Undisclosed Integrator #6
•Aug 29, 2018

* ***'* **** ** ********** **** topic, *** ******* ****** ** *********** government *** ********* ********* ***** ***** homes *** ******* ******* **** ********* security ********, *********, *** *** ******* to, ************ *********.  **** *** *** chances **** **** ** ***** ***** used *** *********, ***** ** *** subject ** *** **********, ** ***** homes *** ******* ******, *** ******* this ********* *** ******* ********** *** into ***** *******?  **'** *** ******* that *** ******* ********** *** *********** ******* **********'******** ** "**** ****", *** ****** as **** ** **** **** **** and ********. * ***'* **** *** factual **** ********** ***** **, *** I ***** ** ** ******** ** do **** * *****.  *** ************, to *** ********, ***** **** ** if ** ***** **** ** *** equipment ** *** **** ******* *** adversaries ** ********** ***** ********?

****, * ******'* ****** *** ********** to ***** *** *** *** ********** official, ** **********'* ******* *** ******** other **** * ******* ********* **** the ****** ********.  **'* ******** **** our ********** *** ******** *********** ***** hacking, **** **** **** *** ******* for **** **  ****** **** ******* and ********* ** *** ************ ********* folks.

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Daniel S-T
•Aug 30, 2018
In reply to Undisclosed Integrator #6

*'* ** **** ******* ** *** many **** ******* ****'** *** ****** in ***** ***** *** ***'* **** know **.

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U
Undisclosed #10
•Aug 29, 2018

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U
Undisclosed #11
•Aug 29, 2018

** *** *** ***** ** *** Dahua *** ********* *** **** *** all ***** ***** **** *** ***** of *** *** ** * ****** to ******** ********. * ** ******** less ******* ***** *** *** ***** because ** ***** ******, ***** ** way **** ****** *** ** ** detect *********/***************. **** ** *** *** case **** *** ****** *******. ***** those ******* *** ******** ** * greater ****** ***** **** *** *** likely *** ***** *** **********. *** ban ****** **** ******* *** ******* of **** ******* ******* ** *****, which ** **** ***.

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(1)
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Sean Nelson
•Aug 29, 2018
Nelly's Security
In reply to Undisclosed #11

** *** *** ***** ** *** Dahua *** ********* *** **** *** all ***** ***** **** *** ***** of *** *** ** * ****** to ******** ********. * ** ******** less ******* ***** *** *** ***** because ** ***** ******, ***** ** way **** ****** *** ** ** detect *********/***************

***** **** **** *** ***** *** ban ** **** ********* ******** *** the **** ***** ****** ******* **** surveillance ******* ***** ***. ************* **** were *** **** ** *** ****.

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U
Undisclosed #1
•Aug 29, 2018
In reply to Sean Nelson

***** **** **** *** ***** *** ban ** **** ********* ******** *** the **** ***** ****** ******* **** surveillance ******* ***** ***.

*********, **** **** ********. **'* ******* ridiculous.

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Sean Nelson
•Aug 29, 2018
Nelly's Security
In reply to Undisclosed #1

* **** ********** ******* **** ***** in *** ****, *** **** ** not *** ** ****. 

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UM
Undisclosed Manufacturer #16
•Aug 30, 2018
In reply to Sean Nelson

** **** *** *** "**** ** the *****??"  *** **** **** ** the ******** ** * ********** ******** model.  * ***** **** ** *** point **** ** *** ** **** - ** *** ** *** ******** business.  ** *** *** ****** ****.

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BP
Bas Poiesz
•Aug 30, 2018
In reply to Undisclosed Manufacturer #16

** *** ** *** ******** ********. We *** *** ****** ****.

* ***** ***** **** **** *********. That's *** ****** ***** ***** *** minimum ************ **** *** **** *****. For *********** **** (**** ** ******* connections) ** ***** *** **** **** needed, *** **'* **** ****** *****.

** ***** **** **** *** **** a ****** ********. **** ******* **** a *** ** * *** ******.

UM
Undisclosed Manufacturer #20
•Aug 30, 2018
In reply to Undisclosed Manufacturer #16

*** ******** *** * ********** ******** product ***** ***** **** *** ***** listed ** **** ** *** ** whomever **** ****** * *************, ********** * 9 ** ** ******.  *********, ***** can ** *************** ** ***** ****** and *** ** ****** (***), *** that ** * **** *****. 

***'* ** ******* *** ****** ********** and *** ***** ******** **** ** China ** *** **** *** *************** listed.

********* ** ******* **** *** *** of *** **** ** *************.  **** constantly **** *************** *********, *** ***** due ** ****** ******, *** *** due ** ***** ********* (*******, ***.) finding * ****.  

(2)
(1)
UM
Undisclosed Manufacturer #18
•Aug 30, 2018
In reply to Sean Nelson

****!!!!!!!!!!   ** ****, *** *** ********!!!!

* **** *** ***** ********* ***** on *** ****!!!!

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UM
Undisclosed Manufacturer #12
•Aug 29, 2018
In reply to Undisclosed #11

* *** ********** **** ********, *******, Hikau's **** ****** ** **** **** of ***** ******* ****** **** ***, Longse, ***. ****** ** *** ****** penetration **** **********\********** ******* ** *** *** and ********* ***** ** ****** ****. I ***** ** ***** ***** ** ban *** ******* ******* ***** ***** allowing *** *** *** ***** ****** to *****. ******* *** ******* ******* could **** ** ****** ** *** safety *** ******** ** ******** ** people *** *** *** ** **** to ****** ******** *** * $*** 8 ******* *** ** ******. 

(1)
(1)
U
Undisclosed #11
•Aug 29, 2018
In reply to Undisclosed Manufacturer #12

*** *** ********. *****, *** *** does *** ***** ** ****** ********. Second, ** ***** *** *** **** selected ******* **** *** *** *******, then *** *** ******* ******* ** old *******? * ****** ******** ** they **** *** *** *** ****** would ** ** **** ********** ************.

(1)
(1)
UM
Undisclosed Manufacturer #12
•Aug 30, 2018
In reply to Undisclosed #11

*** *** ********. *****, ** ******* ********, grammatically ******* *** ******** ******** **** the ******* ************ ******* ** ****** ********, *** this ******* ***. ******, ******* ** currently ********* ***** ******* ** ********* owned, ********, ** ****** ********************. ****** ************* ***** ** ******* ********** ************* since ***** *** ********* ** ********** ones *** **** *** ****** ****.

(1)
(1)
U
Undisclosed #11
•Aug 30, 2018
In reply to Undisclosed Manufacturer #12

*** *****, *********. *** *** **** not ******* *******. ****'* ********* ** it ** *********. **** *** **** and ******** **** *** ***********. ***** is ******* ** *** ******** **** requires ******* ** ********* ******* ** place. 

** *** ******** ** ******* ** alternative ** *** ******* *** *** should **** **** ** **********.  ** does *** **** **** ***, ** much ** **** *** *** ** defend ** ** *** *** *** did. :)

*******, ** ***** **** ******* ** white ******* **** ***** **** **** head.  ***** *** *** ********* ** acceptable ******. *** ***** ****** *** suspect. *** ******* ************ **** ** because **** *** *** ****** ***********. If *** **** *** ******** ********* about ******** **** ****** *** ** or ** ******* ****** *** ***** list ****. ******* ******. * ********** though **** ** * *********** *** feel **********.

(1)
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RS
Robert Shih
•Aug 29, 2018
Independent

* *********, *** *****, **** ***** is *** ********** ** *********. **** Bill **** *** **** *** *** threats *** ** ****** *** ****** unnaturally.

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UM
Undisclosed Manufacturer #12
•Aug 30, 2018
In reply to Robert Shih

******,

** ** ***********, ********* *** ** a ******** *** (** **** ******* are) *** ***** *** ** * proactive ***. ** ** ******* ** witness *** **** **** ********** **** *** US ********** ** *********!

(1)
(1)
RS
Robert Shih
•Sep 05, 2018
Independent
In reply to Undisclosed Manufacturer #12

*****, *** *** ********** ***.

*** ***** ** ********* ********* ****. Dahua ** *** *** **** ***** threat ** *********, ******* ** ****.

***** *** (*** ************ **** ****) change ** ***** ********** ** ****** and *** ** **** ** **** trust (*** **** **** **** ** now).

*********, **** ** ********* **********, ***'* ever ** ******* ** *** ***** of *** *********.

****'* *** **** ** ** ********.

UI
Undisclosed Integrator #6
•Aug 29, 2018

*'* **** *'* ***** ***** ***** cyber ******** ****** ***'* *** ****** passwords, *** **** *** *** ** simply ***** ** ********** ** ******** cyber *******, *** **** **** ****** to ** ****** ** *****'*, ** any ***** *********** *******'*, ******* ** breach *** ******** ********.  ***** *** many ******** **** * *******, ** a ********* ** ***** ******* ********* devices, *** ******* ** ************ ********* or ********** *************.

* ** ************ ** ******* ****** devices *** *** *** ********** ************ in *** ***, ***** ** ****** unlikely. *** **** **** ************ *** later ****** ** ********** ******* **** other ************* ** ********* **** *** or *** *** ** *********** ** the **.  ***** **** **** *** product ******* ** ******** ** * ban?  

* **** ********** ** **** ********** lighting, ***** * **** ** ***** connected ******* *** ** **** ** attack * *******.  ** ***** **** it's ***** ** ** * ********** task ** *** ** **** ******, and **** *** *** ***** **** problem.

* ***'* ***** *** ******* **********, or *** ***** *********** ******* *** that ******, **** ****** ***** ***** efforts ** ****** *** ******** ** just * *** **********' ********.

 

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UM
Undisclosed Manufacturer #12
•Aug 30, 2018

******, ********** **** *** *** ******** ** see *** ********** ******** ** ***** home ******* ** *********** ********. **** is * ****** *** * ********** **** attack. *******, ** * ******** ************* practice, *** ***** ****** ***** ********** with * ***** ****** ** ***************, poor **** ******** ******* *** ******* integration, *** *** ***\** ****** ** those ***************, ** ****** **** ************ or ******* ** ******. 

(1)
JH
John Honovich
•Aug 30, 2018
IPVM

** ******* ********** ********* ** ****** media *********:

**** ** *** *** **** ** attention ********* ***** *** *****.

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U
Undisclosed #1
•Aug 30, 2018
In reply to John Honovich

**** "******* *** *******" ******* ***** really ***** **, *********. ********* ** going ** ** ******** * ******** of ** **** ** *** *** of ****.

(1)
JH
John Honovich
•Aug 30, 2018
IPVM
In reply to Undisclosed #1

********* ** ***** ** ** ******** a ******** ** ** **** ** dig *** ** ****.

**** ******* ** *** ******** ****. Think ***** *** **** **** ********* can ****** *** ******** ** ****** ;)

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UM
Undisclosed Manufacturer #20
•Aug 30, 2018
In reply to Undisclosed #1

* ***'* ****** *** ** ********** networks, *** **** * **, * use ********* *******, *** ******* *** Company...

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BP
Bas Poiesz
•Aug 30, 2018
In reply to John Honovich

****'* ********** *** *****.

* ******* ********** *** **** ** I ***** ****** *** ******** **.

**** ***** **** ***** *** *** their *****! (*** ********)

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Rich Moore
•Aug 30, 2018
In reply to Bas Poiesz

******* ********** *** ****?  ** *** for ********* * ***** ***.  *** fairly ****.  

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(1)
BP
Bas Poiesz
•Aug 30, 2018
In reply to Rich Moore

***** **** * ** *** * US *******, ** **** ********. * needed ****** *** *** **** **** I *** *********.

(2)
UD
Undisclosed Distributor #17
•Aug 30, 2018

* *** ** ****** ** ********- Go ******* (*********) *** ***** * ringside **** ***** *** ***** ** over...

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UM
Undisclosed Manufacturer #19
•Aug 30, 2018

*'* **** ** *** **** **** is *** **** ********* *** **** projects.

* *** ** * ******* **** a ***** ****** ******* ********* *** was **** *** ****** **** *** completely ****** **** **** ********* ** because **** **** ***** *** ****** hik ****** *** ** * **********.

**** *********** ******* *** *** ******** the ******* ** *** *** ******* and *********** **** * ******* ***** moving *******. *** ******** ******** *** is ********* ***** *** ** ** an *** **** **** *** ****** decisions *** ***** ******* *** ******** more **** * **** **** ****.

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UM
Undisclosed Manufacturer #18
•Aug 30, 2018
In reply to Undisclosed Manufacturer #19

**** **** ***** ** ** *** sell **** *** ******* ***** **** are *********** ****...

(1)
U
Undisclosed #1
•Aug 30, 2018
In reply to Undisclosed Manufacturer #19

**** **** ***** *** ****** *** camera ***

**'* * ***** **** *** ******* just *** **** *********'* ***** ******** has ****.

(2)
UI
Undisclosed Integrator #6
•Aug 30, 2018

** ****, *** **** **** ********** was ****** ** * ***** *** Conference ** ** *******.  **** **** able ** *** **** ** *** network ******* *** ******.

*** *** ***** **** ** ******* and ***** *** **** ** ******** about ** ** *** **** ** do *** ********.  

**, *** **** ******** *** ***** looked ** ** **** **** *****?  How ********* ***** ** ** *** foreign ****** ** *** ***** ********, or *** ********, ** ***?

*********, ****'** ***** **** ********* ** products *** ** **** **** ***, and ***** ********* ***'* *** *** their **** ** *** ******, ****** one **** ** ******* ** ******.

(2)
(2)
UM
Undisclosed Manufacturer #18
•Aug 30, 2018

*** **** *****.....**** *** ** ******** then....

** ** **** **** *** ******** of ****** ** **** ** ***** looking ** *** ************* **** ** true, *** **** **** *** **** that ** ******** *******, ** ****** not ** ******* ** *** **** blatant ********* *****.

********* *** ******, *** *** ******* that *** ******** ** *** *******, but **** **** *** **** ***** we **** ***** **** **** ** secure ** ****** ** *******...

(2)
UI
Undisclosed Integrator #6
•Aug 30, 2018

*'* *** ********** ** ** *******....  Just ******** *** *** *** ******* is **** ****** **** **** ****** equipment *************.  ** * **** ******* in * ******* ****** *** ****** to ****** *** ******* ** * target *******, *'* **** ** ** it **** ***** *** *******, ************ in ***** *** *******, ******* *** raising ********* *** ********** ***** ***** the *****.  *** ******* **** **** that *** ****** *********** ** ***** and ******** ** *** *** ** elsewhere ** ***** ** ** **** with ********* ** **'* ****.  

(1)
UI
Undisclosed Integrator #23
•Sep 05, 2018

*** **** **** **** ******* ** Marco *****'* ***** ***** ******* **'* repeated ******** **** ** ** ***** impartial ** ***/*****. **** *** ** agenda *** ** ** ********* **** more ********. 

 

*****://*******.***/*******/******/*******************

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JH
John Honovich
•Sep 05, 2018
IPVM
In reply to Undisclosed Integrator #23

*************** * ***** *** **** ** a ******** ******:

* ***** ********** *** ********** ** we ********* **** ********* ******** ** ** hominem. *******, *********** ** *** ******* related *********** ** * *******.

***, ***, ** *** *** *** PRC. *** *** ******* ** ********* us ****.

UI
Undisclosed Integrator #22
•Sep 05, 2018

***** *** ****** **** ******* *******.....

** * ******** ****, ***** ***** to ** *** *** ** **** than * ****** ********. **** ***** a ********* *****...** **** **** ** Marco...

"** ****** ********** ** **** ******** for ******** ** ******** ********" 

"....** ***** *** ******* ******** ****** ** a ****** ** ******* **** **** country (*****)"

"** ******** **** ** ********* *********** following *** ******** ******* **** ****** shooting ** * **** **** ***** held ** *** **** ** *** questioned ** * ******** ** *** shooting ***** *** ******** $*,***,*** ** had ******** ** ********* **** *** NRA. ***** *******, "I **** ****** ****** *** **** ** ****** *** ****** **** ** ******". (***.....* ***** * *** **** **** that *** ****** ******...).

"** ******** *** ********** ************* ** climate ******, ******* **** ***** ******** does *** **** * ***** **** in ****** *******"

*** - **** *** ****** ** Marco, ******* **'* *** ***** *********** and *********.

 

 

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CC
Chris Chambers
•Mar 24, 2019
In reply to Undisclosed Integrator #22

*'** *** $** **** **** *** don't **** **** **** "****'* ****** Trick" **.  ***** ***'** **** ** least * *** ******* ***** ** researching *** ****** ******* ****, **** both *****, * ******* ******* *** now ***** "******* ******" *** ** discussions ***** ******** *******.

DG
Dennis Gallen
•Dec 03, 2018

*'* *** **** *** *** ********* "... as * *********** ** ********* ********* ** *** ******, ** ** ******** ********** ** **** ** *** ******." can be interpreted as blocking purchase from those companies selling multiple brands (including Hikvision or Dahua). I would interpret this as anyone selling a ******, **** ** ********** ****** **** happens ** **** * ********* ****** as * "*********" ** *** ******. They *** **** ** "******". 

JH
John Honovich
•Dec 03, 2018
IPVM
In reply to Dennis Gallen

******, ****** *** **** ***** *******. Ultimately, ******* ** *** **** ************** will ******. *** ******** ******** **** be *** ********** ***** *** ********** puts ** ***** **** ****.

UI
Undisclosed Integrator #25
•Aug 05, 2019

**** *** **** ***** *********** *** is ** ********* ***** ** ******* others **. ** ****** **** **** was * ***** ***** ** **** within *** *******, "*** ** ****** the **** ******** ******* ******** *** your ********." ***** ** ***! *****://************.**/********-***-****-********-*******-********-***-**********-**********/

UI
Undisclosed Integrator #26
•Aug 06, 2019

*** *** **** ** ******* **** scenario. ** ********** ***** *********/********** ********* Panels. **** ** ***** ********* *** cameras ** ****** *************. *** *** not **** ** *** ******* ********** because *** *** ******* ***-****** ******** from * ************ *** **** ** a ****** ****?

JH
John Honovich
•Aug 06, 2019
IPVM
In reply to Undisclosed Integrator #26

** ** **********, *** ***** **** ************* ****** ** *** **** ***** or ********* ******** (** ***** ****). If *** ****** ******** **** * company **** **** ***** ** ********* but *** ** *** ****** ***** Dahua/Hikvision ******** *** ********, *** ***** not ** ********.

*** '*********' ******* ** ***** ***** debated / *********, ***: *** ******** *** ***** ***** ******** Delay ** ********* / ***** ******* Blacklist