Just a point of fact on this as I have worked with Milestone in the past. It is one License per IP address as noted above. This can be confusing as it is NOT one license per encoder and that almost screwed me. Axis has many encoders, most 4 channels are 1 IP adress for 4 channels. Their 16 Channel (last I looked) was 4 IP adresses for 16 channels so 4 licenses. Bosch has a 16 channel 1 IP address encoder for pretty cheap.
Interesting. In the case of the Axis 16 channel encoder, what do you think would happen if you put the encoder on the 'LAN' side of a NAT firewall, and Milestone on the 'WAN' side, so as to make them all look like the same IP? Or make 16 onvif cameras look like 1 HD TVI DVR?
Well, Milestone (like Genetec, ExacQ and other big guys)writes individual drivers for their encoder integrations so I doubt this would make a difference there. The software would probably still pull 4 streams to function correctly on the AXIS 16 but I have never tried this. Maybe with an ONVIF encoder use this would work using a generic ONVIF setting. I will be honest, I am not a futz around dude though. I go with what works and don't bother testing out stuff like this- there are smarter people than me to do that.
I only made the comments originally because people should double check the IP Address thing, DVR or encoder so it doesn't bite ya. Another example is Pelco recorders. The Endura ones. They use one IP address per camera on the encoder. No licensing break there.
@John, @Ethan, What do you think the Tribrid Hikvision DVR that you reviewed recently would allow with Milestone? Do you think it might pick up the 2 IP cameras as well as all the TVI ones as one channel?
"one wouldn't need hard drives in the Analog HD DVR but only in the storage connected to the Milestone VMS?"
I wouldn't recommend any hard drives in the analog HD DVR unless you plan to review recorded video from the analog HD DVR's client interface. [Update, as commenter mentions below, you could use this as a poor man's back up recording.]
"What are the most compelling benefits of using the Milestone VMS in conjunction with the Analog HD DVR rather than just using the Analog HD DVR by itself?"
Well, I would recommend installing at least some storage on the DVR. Think about it... for the cost of a single drive (under $100) you now have a redundant recording platform. You wouldn't have to put a lot of storage but in the event something happens to the milestone server or the network you are now recording locally (albeit a clunkier platform - however better than most all SD cards in local camera recording).
Thank you John, if I decided to add the Milestone VMS to the Analog HD system, I would prefer to add redundancy to the storage attached to the Milestone VMS rather than placing the hard drive in the Analog HD DVR. If I was trying to cut all unnecessary costs, then I probably wouldn't add the Milestone VMS in the first place.
I'm familiar with the clunkiness of the Analog HD DVR interfaces. Thank you for your link to the Milestone XProtect review which I will keenly go over.
Luke, Milestone only offers redundant recording on their highest end tiers, which cost ~$300 per channel plus a base license which is $2,000+. Also, you'll need to run multiple Milestone recorders / machines.
So it's a lot more money to go from using an analog DVR for redundancy than to get a full blown Milestone redundant system.
Would like an idea of what are those DVR parts numbers, especially the Hikvision or the cameras. This is something we would like to run in our lab to see how well it works. We use OnSSi, which is very similar to Milestone.
Whatever does happen, I do not see how their could be 'a balance due'. The issue would be what would happen if you wanted to upgrade to a new version. I don't see any way they could or would make you pay to keep your existing version which you already have a valid license for.
I have two 16-Channel TurboHD DVRs (7316 units) that I am currently playing with, firmware 3.0.1 and 3.0.2 (3.1.2 does not seem to play well with their iVMS-4200 or Milestone, so I downgraded to try and match the firmware in the video).
I am having an issue - the Milestone Express software constantly has a "Connection Error on Camera x" on both DVRs, analog or 1080P HD cameras. I sometimes see a frame for a little bit or it streams for a few seconds, but it stops and gives me an error without fail every time. The units are sitting on a trial license at the moment and I have 4 cameras (licensed) on the system already. The DVRs and Milestone server are on the same gigabit Ethernet switch and located within 5 feet of each other.
Did you guys have to change any settings in the DVR iteself? Does this method require a higher level of software than Express?
Undisclosed D Integrator. Im with you on that one, would also like some answers.
I have no issues with the Cameras, but the Turbo DVR's although able to connect stream and record are intermittently supported. does anybody know the solution ? combination of DVR Firmware/Device Pack ? I'm using DS-7204 Turbo HD with Milestone Professional 8.6e Device Pack 7.7
Hi Paul and D, we were using v3.0.1_140924 in our TVI DVR test. We were using XProtect Enterprise, but I'm not 100% on which device pack we were running at the time (we also just installed 7.7). We didn't have any issues with intermittant droppage during the test, though.
Our TVI DVRs are readily available, so we'll quickly check it out this week. I'll report back.
I just spent a few minutes testing, and things are indeed unstable using 3.1.2_150130 firmware and device pack 7.7. The stream is intermittent for sure. I discovered if you set everything to full frame rate in the DVR, it seems more stable, but the live stream still drops periodically. Recordings are still there, however.
We'll check with Hikvision and Milestone and see if they have anything to say here.
That would be great. I havent had much luck in terms of feedback from either of them. I've definitely tried every conceivable option with configuration, to no avail. looks like we will need either a firmware or device pack revision to solve the issue. Thanks again for you time and efforts.
Finally got around to trying this and I'm getting lots of problems. Camera will work for a few seconds and then drops out :(
I'm using a DS-7216HGHI-SH with firmware 3.1.13 on Milestone Express 2016 R3
Anyone have any luck?
From the recording server log:
2016-12-06 14:15:05 FAILURE Camera 1 Video stream error (invalid-data:Cannot add non-synchronization frame at this point) 2016-12-06 14:15:08 Archiving Camera 1 Renaming Archive on same volume 2016-12-06 14:15:08 Archiving Camera 1 Successfully renamed Archive on same Volume 2016-12-06 14:15:09 FAILURE Camera 1 Video stream error (invalid-data:Cannot add non-synchronization frame at this point)
You people at IPVM are a blessing for integrators :)
This is indeed very interesting. There is another facet of all this. We are very partial to "appliances" in my company. I understand the COTS approach. Take a Window machine and just drop a VMS or its recorder in ti and be happy. True but Windows goes on doing many of its own things that aren't conclusive or even good for video recording... So a person is forced into optimizing it for the task at hand .. it can work but is fraught with danger and pitfalls and the learning curve is far from smooth or short. Manufacturers NVRs are built-for-the-purpose appliances. Hik NVR simply work day in, day out with minimal fuss. Set and forget basically .. In our environment and experiences they last longer and work more reliably than COTS. Of course thier VMS is not up to Mielstone's or other's... thus this solution even with a Milestone license per camera is interesting... Has anyone tried these with regular IP camera NVRs? What were the results? if this is OT please feel fre to move this to a new thread...
Has anyone tried these with regular IP camera NVRs? What were the results?
In my experience, not great. It's hit or miss whether NVRs will connect via ONVIF the way the DVRs do. Sometimes it has worked, sometimes not. In some cases even the IP channels of hybrid DVRs do not work, either.
I'd say if you'd like to be sure, you'd need to test your specific model(s) with your specific VMS. I haven't seen enough consistency otherwise to be confident.