LTS Hikvision Sales Challenge ADI

By John Honovich, Published Sep 06, 2017, 11:38am EDT (Info+)

ADI is clearly #1 at running sales.

But long-time Hikvision OEM and new Hikvision distributor LTS is coming on strong here.

In this note, we examine LTS's move here and how their distribution of Hikvision could impact the competitive balance of video surveillance distribution.

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Comments (18)

Undisclosed #1

09/06/17 09:11pm

HikVision's lack of loyalty to its Channel Partners has been over-analyzed and to no one's benefit, except HikVision. Flat out, theirs is a scorched earth policy that is solely intended to gain marketshare at even their own reseller's expense. It is amazing the amount of Kool Aid they are pouring that distributors can't seem to get enough of.

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Undisclosed Integrator #2

In reply to Undisclosed #1 | 09/07/17 01:24am

Wrong answer, apparently you are not a volume trusted partner. Hikvision treats respectable dealers with respect, only thing they are scorching is naysayers that whine about problems that are glamorized and blown-out of proportion by writers instead of stories by actual dealers that sell systems instead of sitting around comparing 1/2 cooked Survey/Poll data.

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John Honovich

IPVM | In reply to Undisclosed Integrator #2 | 09/07/17 11:31am

#2, do you think it is fair to a super partner like yourself that random guys buying $1,000 of Hikvision products get 15% off? Haven't you worked hard to earn the maximum possible discount over an integrator who just buys $1,000 in products?

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Undisclosed Integrator #3

In reply to John Honovich | 09/07/17 12:13pm

If I were a loyal HikVision dealer (which I am not) - I would definitely feel no love when "Two Bob's In A Truck" can beat my price.

 

Nope, I'd rather stick with my  manufacturer where I know I've earned the lowest price.

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Undisclosed Integrator #2

In reply to Undisclosed Integrator #3 | 09/07/17 01:00pm

Thats why you should buy from Hikvision,best support EVER and reasonable pricing for dealers that have proven they support them all the way.Tell me how you beat LOCAL support from technicians that do not read off a script they actually are hired because they are knowledgeable and understand networking and the complications that may arise.

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Undisclosed Integrator #2

In reply to John Honovich | 09/07/17 12:55pm

I agree we have worked hard, but that is only one piece of the equation. We support Hikvision, Hikvision supports us. In terms of cost, we could care less what anyone else does, I know that I am getting a square deal every purchase I make. Joe Blow Integrator gets no where near the pricing that any trusted Platinum level dealer gets.We dont buy cameras one by one so the comparison does not fit. It does not bother me one bit that 'Integrator x' purchases (50) cameras a year and he gets 15% off. So what, don't give a hoot!

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Randy Lines

In reply to John Honovich | 09/07/17 03:55pm

Hey John

One thing that all having the same price does is forces competition based on integrator performance as opposed to who can get the best deal on cameras. I would argue that this could be good for the end user long term. I am not an economist but I would hazard a guess that they would see this market as evolving towards a commodity business .... the key word is evolving. We can argue till the cows come home but cameras are getting better and cheaper every day. The revenue from the mark-up will also come down accordingly.

Integrators will earn their bones by building relationships with clients that start with accurate project definition at the earliest stage through to a maintenance program and eventual ever greening. Their value will be in their people and not how much they can mark up somebody else's products.

Super dealers will have the short term advantage of the most experience which should (but clearly does not always) translate into better system design, install, maintenance and ever green. They also have the burden of higher overheads ...

Have a great Day

rbl

 

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Undisclosed #1

09/07/17 05:52pm

At issue for the distributors is that HikVision offers deals to everybody constantly, so the wholesalers are compelled to participate. Otherwise, they'll be at a disadvantage on any given month on any given item. This is why the Joe Blows can compete or beat the regular HikVision user bid. It's on sale somewhere every month, usually at 15+% off regular dealer price.

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Robin Pan

09/09/17 11:11am

From what I know, Hikvision and also Dahua provides a certain amount of discount for resellers or their OEM partners if they use Hikvision brand against rebranding. Some of the OEM partners will then be compelled to join and become an authorized distributor of Hikvision. It is a trade-off business and every OEM partner has to do the math and optimize their choice. 

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John Honovich

IPVM | In reply to Robin Pan | 09/09/17 12:49pm

a certain amount of discount for resellers or their OEM partners if they use Hikvision brand against rebranding.

Robin, are you saying that Hikvision charge less for their branded products than their white labelled / re-labeled ones? I want to make sure I understand correctly.

What I have heard on this topic, and I am not certain, was that OEMs who sold the branded versions had to pay a premium for the branded version, which would make sense to me since typically brands view their brand as a premium, not a negative. 

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Undisclosed #4

IPVMU Certified | In reply to John Honovich | 09/10/17 07:58am

...OEMs who sold the branded versions had to pay a premium for the branded version, which would make sense to me since typically brands view their brand as a premium, not a negative.

On the other hand, aren't they trying hard to build their own brand awareness?

Let's say for instance that the OEM has no branding preference for a given model except for lowest price.  Wouldn't Hik want their label on it then?

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John Honovich

IPVM | In reply to Undisclosed #4 | 09/10/17 11:04am

Let's say for instance that the OEM has no branding preference for a given model except for lowest price. Wouldn't Hik want their label on it then?

I do see that logic given their desire to push their brand but the whole point of building a brand is to get people to pay a premium for that brand. Why do things like 'the art of video surveillance' campaign if you make less money selling it with your brand than without it?

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John Honovich

IPVM | 09/12/17 01:09am

Another week, another LTS sales 15% off Hikvision again:

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John Honovich

IPVM | In reply to John Honovich | 09/12/17 12:36pm

And ADI with Hikvision ~40% off specials running same time as LTS:

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John Honovich

IPVM | 09/18/17 10:05pm

Another Tuesday, another LTS Hikvison 15% sale:

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John Honovich

IPVM | 01/15/18 09:57pm

Lol, LTS is expanding 'Love Tuesday Sales' to be Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday

By summer, every day will be sales day...

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Undisclosed #4

IPVMU Certified | 01/15/18 10:51pm

LTS is expanding 'Love Tuesday Sales' to be Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday

Naturally the company name will be changed to LMTWS to avoid confusion.

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Larry Tracy

07/09/20 02:46pm

no surprise Hikvision owns LTS, through hidden stock deals I bet

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