Alarm Veteran "Demands A Criminal Investigation" Of UL

By John Honovich and Brian Rhodes, Published Oct 18, 2019, 10:22am EDT

The Interceptor's Project pressure against UL continues to rise. Following Keith Jentoft's allegation that "UL Has Blood On Their Hands", Jentoft has provided a letter from 36-year alarm veteran Peter Goldring sent to UL.

Goldring declares that it was "reprehensible that UL would try to sweep this matter under the rug" and that he will "demand a criminal investigation".

Inside this note, we go over the demand, the full letter, analyzing its claims and positioning.

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* ** ****** ********* by **’* ******** ** Jeffrey *****’* ****** ** the ********* *** ************ failure ** ********* ***** 20 *******/**** ***** ******* panels *** ****** **** similar ****** *****, ************ referred ** ****** ** “Vista.”

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* **** * ****** to **** *** **** week ********* * **** investigation *** *********, *********** oversight **** *** **** and ******** ******** ***** a ********** ** ******* in **** ******.

* **** ** ********** a ****** ** *** Consumer ******* ****** ********** that **** ****** ** not * ******* ****** by *** ************, *** rather ** **.It ** ************* **** ** ***** *** ** ***** **** ****** ***** *** ***. As I see it, the very necessary recall should indict UL, not any manufacturer. Simply, the manufacturer relied on UL just as much as I the specifier, the insurance underwriter and the end-user does.

***********, ** **my ******** **** ** *** ********* ******** *******. * **** ** ******** **** ******** ********* ** ** ***** **** *** ************* ***** **’* ******* ****** ** ****** * ******** *************, UL listed products are more expensive their non-listed competing devices. Simply said, I pay more for your listing. In this case the listing was given based on reports that were false. I believe there is criminality involved.

** *** *******, * will ** ******** ********* underwriters, *******, ******** ******** members *** ***-***** **** UL *** ******, **** UL ** ****** *** position **** **** **** not **** ******** ***** and **** **’* ******* is *** ** ** relied **** ** *** electronic ******** ***** ***** this ****** ** ********.

****** *** **** ********** information ** ************* **** negates *** ********* ** fact ********* ******, ****** provide ** *********.

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*********** ******* ** ****** on ** ****** ******** and **** ********* ************, manufacturers, ********** ********* *** end ***** **** ** them.

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** ** ************ **** UL ** ************* **. There ****** ** ** independent *************.

UL's *****

******** *** ********** ** a ** ***** ** which ** **** **** is *** ** ***** for *** **** / scenario **** *** *********** Projector ** **********, **** UL ******:

** **** ** ******** hazard ******* *** ********** currently ** *** ******. The ******* ********* ******* reasonably *********** *******, ****** or ****** *** *********** disablement ** * **** safety ******. ***** ****** claims **** ***** *** commercial ******** ** ******* concern. *** ************ ***** suggested ****** ****** ** fire ***/** ********* ********* inside *** ********* **** are ********* *** ******** by *** ********** ********* or ****.

Goldring **********

******** ** ** ***** industry *******, ****** **** an ********* ** ******* companies **** *** *****, including ***.******** ** *************'* *** *** ********:

***** ** *** ** the ***** ****** * turn ** ********** *** security ****** ********* *** the *********** *** ********** sectors ************. *****'* ************ as * ****** ** SIA *** *** ********* Council ** ****** ****** by ** *** *** peers ** *** ***** monitoring ****** ********* ** evolve.

Who ** *****?

** ** **** ** know *** ** *****. Minimally, ***** ** * genuine ****** **** ***** 'experts' ** **** **** about **** ********* ***** and *** ***** ********* are ** ** ***********. One **** ************** ** The ***********'* ****** ***** *******'* *** ***** Panel ****** *********? ****.

** **** ******, ** find ** *********** **** anyone ** ** **** be ******** *** * crime, ***** *** ****** would ****** **** * very **** **** ****** to ****** *** ******* of ********* ******** ** this ******.

Marketing **** *** *******

*** **** **** ** that ******* *** ***** definitely **** *** ********'* attention ***. *** **** is ********* ******** ** the ***** **** ** the ******** *****, *** many *** **** ****** due ** *** ************* of ****** ** *** these **** ****** ** panels ** *** ***** and *** **** **** both ************* *** ********* might **** ** * recall *** ********.

*** ******** ** **** this *** ****** *********** a ******** ***** ******** that *** ********** (**, in **********) ***** **** as ******** *** **********. Even ** ** **** not *** ****, *** amount ** *** **** they *** ********** ***** to ** ***** *** is ********* ****** ********.

** *********** **** ****, it ***** ******* * template *** **** *****-********** marketing *** ** **** lose **** *** ** a ********** **** *** quite **** ****.

Goldring ********

** ********* **** ****** to ********, *** ** responded ** ******* ******:

* **** ******* ** events *** ********.
*** ****** ******* **** interpretation ** *** *********** that * ******** ********* wouldn’t ****** ** ** arrest ** *** *********** at **. ** *** will ** ***** * perp ****, ****** * criminal ********* ***** ** brought ******* **. ******** not ** ******** *****, it ** ***** ******. Businesses *** ************* *** be ******** ** ******** court.
******** ******* ****** ******* on * ********-***** *******, and ******** ***/** **** code **********. ** *** goes ** ****, *** criminal ****** ****** ***** fines. ****’* * **** explanation:*****://***.*********.***/***-*-***********-**-*******-****-*-*****
*** ***** ** ** complaint ** **** ** business (*** ********* ** your *******’ **********) **** damaged *********** ** **’* claim **** **** ****** the ******** ** ******** and ********* **** ******* applicable ***** *** *********. When ********* **** * report, **** ***** ** investigate ***** *** **** team ******* ** ****** the ********* ** *** first *****. ***, ***** on ***** ****** ***** releases, **** *** ****** to ***** **** ***** the ***. * ********* again - *** ************ is *** ******** ********* here. **** **** ***** products (*** * ***** check) ** ** ** confirm ***** ********* *** manufacturing ******* *** *** applicable ***** *** *********.
**** * **** ** UL’s ********* ** ******** Ethics.*****://***.**.***/*****/*/*****/*********/*****/****-**/**-**-*****-**.*-********.***
* ***** ***’** ***** its ** ******* **** UL ** ********* ***** own ********* ******** — especially ** *** *** Mr. *****’* ****** ** being *******.
**** *******. *’* ********* you ***** *** ** Kevin ******, ** ** the **** *** **** Safety ******** **** ** UL *** **** *** the *********** ** ******* directly. *’* **** ** won’t, *** ** ***** probably *** **** *********** if *** ********* ** was ******** ** *********** to *****.
**’* ******** ** *** 'about ********' ** ******* that * ** ***** IV, **** ****** *** in ** ******, * have ********, ********* *** overseen ********* ** ** Certificated ************* *** **** been ******** ** ** expert ******* ** ****** of ***** ********* ********** security *******.
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** ****, ** **** reached *** ** ** and **** **** ***** response **** ********.

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Goldring ********

** ********* **** ****** to ********, *** ** responded ** ******* ******:

* **** ******* ** events *** ********.
*** ****** ******* **** interpretation ** *** *********** that * ******** ********* wouldn’t ****** ** ** arrest ** *** *********** at **. ** *** will ** ***** * perp ****, ****** * criminal ********* ***** ** brought ******* **. ******** not ** ******** *****, it ** ***** ******. Businesses *** ************* *** be ******** ** ******** court.
******** ******* ****** ******* on * ********-***** *******, and ******** ***/** **** code **********. ** *** goes ** ****, *** criminal ****** ****** ***** fines. ****’* * **** explanation:*** * *********** ** Charged **** * *****
*** ***** ** ** complaint ** **** ** business (*** ********* ** your *******’ **********) **** damaged *********** ** **’* claim **** **** ****** the ******** ** ******** and ********* **** ******* applicable ***** *** *********. When ********* **** * report, **** ***** ** investigate ***** *** **** team ******* ** ****** the ********* ** *** first *****. ***, ***** on ***** ****** ***** releases, **** *** ****** to ***** **** ***** the ***. * ********* again - *** ************ is *** ******** ********* here. **** **** ***** products (*** * ***** check) ** ** ** confirm ***** ********* *** manufacturing ******* *** *** applicable ***** *** *********.
**** * **** ** UL’s ********* ** ******** Ethics.
* ***** ***’** ***** its ** ******* **** UL ** ********* ***** own ********* ******** — especially ** *** *** Mr. *****’* ****** ** being *******.
**** *******. *’* ********* you ***** *** ** Kevin ******, ** ** the **** *** **** Safety ******** **** ** UL *** **** *** the *********** ** ******* directly. *’* **** ** won’t, *** ** ***** probably *** **** *********** if *** ********* ** was ******** ** *********** to *****.
**’* ******** ** *** 'about ********' ** ******* that * ** ***** IV, **** ****** *** in ** ******, * have ********, ********* *** overseen ********* ** ** Certificated ************* *** **** been ******** ** ** expert ******* ** ****** of ***** ********* ********** security *******.
****,
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** ****, ** **** reached *** ** ** and **** **** ***** response **** ********.

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**** ** ******** ** seem **** * ********* campaign ** ***** *** Jentoft.

**** **** ******** *** statistics ** **** ** the ****** ** ****** that **** ***** ** be *********** ** **** an ******?

* ***** **** ** this ** **** ** general * ** **** does *** **** * unified ********** ** *** public. ********** **** * see * **-****** ******* I ********* **** **** that ** **** *** device ** *** ****** to ***** ** ********** fire ** ******* ***********. I **** ***** *********** a ** **** ** listing ** ******* "**** device ****** ** ** compromised ** ******** ** any ******".

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****** *** ****** **** for **** ********. ** would ** ********** ** pinpoint *** **** ***** a ******* **** **** has ****** ******, ******** and/or *********. ** *** really ***** ******* **** that *** **’* ********** to ****** *** ** the ******** ****** ***** worldwide.

*** *** *** ***** “attack” *** “***********”. **** about ***** ******* * short ** ******? * critter ** ******* ******* a *****? ******* **** commented “****** *** ********* premises”. *’** **** **** than *** ***** ***** an ******** ***** * sheet **** **** ** a ****** ** ****** a ****** **** *** shorted **, ********* *** system.

**’* **** ** **** specific. ** ***** * manufacturer ****** **** * lot ** ***** *** time ** ****** ******* samples *** ***** *******. Not **** **** *** product ***’* **** **** house **** (***** ** nice) *** **** **** it (*** *** ************ procedures) **** *** ********** codes *** *********. * manufacturer **** **** **** to ******* **** ***** design, *********** *** ************* processes *** *** ** to *****.

* *** ** ********* and *******, **** ** rely ** **’* ****. We *** * ******* for ** ****** ******** and ** ****** *** end ***** **** ***** for *** ************. ********* underwriters ****** ** *** listing ** ******** ****** their ****.

** ****** ****’* **** the ***** *** ** Zwirn’s ******, ** **** didn’t **** ********. ****** way * ******* **** isn’t **** **** ** past *** ******.

** *** **** *** additional *********, ** **** to **** * ** minute ************ ** *** house ** ** ** website **********.*** *** ***** out.

*****, ****** *** **** comments *** **** ****** questions!

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**** ***** ***** ******* a ***** ** ******? A ******* ** ******* causing * *****?

**** ***** * **** quality ********* *******? **** about * *** ****** that ****** ***** ************ when ****** **** ** a **-** ****** *****? To **** ****** ** potential ******* ***** ****** UL **** *** ******? Should * ** ************* cover *** ********* ******* modes?

*’** **** **** **** six ***** ***** ** intruder ***** * ***** rock **** ** * garage ** ****** * keypad **** *** ******* it, ********* *** ******.

*** *****? **** ***** all ** ******* *** personally *********, ** **** six ***** ** *******? Overall **** ***** **** a **** *** ****** compared ** *** ***** number ** ****** *********. Again, ****** * ** certification ***** *** **** of *** ******** **** cases, ** **** *** most ********* ******** **********?

* ************ **** **** test ** ******* **** their ******, *********** *** manufacturing ********* *** *** up ** *****.

**, **** ***'* (*'** been ******* ******* ****** cycles ** ******* ******** that **** **** ********* for ** *******. ** certification ***** *** **** the ******* ************** *** a ******* ** **** category. ** **** ***** it ** ********, *** recommended, ** ** ****** UL's ******* **************. *********, a ** **** ** in ** *** * guarantee **** "******, *********** and ************* ********* *** all ** ** *****".

*** ** ****** *** end ***** **** ***** for *** ************

*** *** ****** *** charge **** ** ******* a ******* ** ** has * ** *************? Are *** **** ****** that ** ***** *** install * ***-** ********* product? *** *** **** some ******** ** ***** you ***** *** *** a ***-** ******* **** a ********** **-****** ******* exists?

** ****** ****’* **** the ***** *** ** Zwirn’s ******, ** **** didn’t **** ********.

* **** ***** **** while * **** **** involved ** ******* ** product **************, **** **** been ************ *** ***** panels. ** *** **** a ****/********* ** *** part ** *** ** test *********/************* ******* **** is ***** ** ************ address *** ***** ***** is ******* ********* **?

** *** **** *** additional *********, ** **** to **** * ** minute ************ ** *** house ** ** ** website **********.*** *** ***** out.

******, *** *'* **** prefer ** **** *** debate *** ********** ****, so **** *** **** members *** *** *** benefit ** **. * would ******* *** *** the ******* ** **** as ****?

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** * *** **** very **** ** ********.

* ***** ** ***** in * ******** ****** to **** ******* “**** about *** *** ***** failure ***** **** ***** happen ** ****** *******, his ******** *** “*** thing ** * ****” I ***** *** ******** is *** *** ** waiting ** ******* *** the ***** ********* **** a ***** ****** ***** fail? ** ***** ** circuit **** ***** ** would *** *** ***** potential ********.

**** **** ******* ***** fix ********* *****?

* ***** **’ * response *** ********* *** to *** ***** , they **** ***’* **** the ******.

* ***** ** *** back ** **** ** reasonable *** **** ********* were ** ****** ** the ****. * **** say ***** ****** **** public ** *** ********** to *** ******** ** laymen ***** *** **********.

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*** ******* ***** ******** a ****, ******* *** case ** ****** ******** IYI(**********) ********** ***** ****** facts. ****** *** ********, by ******** ****** ******** due ** *** ****** within *** **** ** or *********** ******/*******/*********.

**, ***** ********* ** some ** *** ***** with ***** ** ******* of **** ******* **....* will *** ** **** noisy ********** **** ** can ****** * ********* response/remediation ******* *** *** low *** ******** **** ups ******** ** *** bit.

*** **** *** *** are, **** ******.

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**** ** ** *** the ** *** *** some *****. ** *** want ** **** * real **** ** ****** conversation ***** * **** serious *****, ** ** my ******* **********.*** *** hit ** **. ******!

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** *** **** ** have * **** ****...************...** to ** *******...

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It ** ************* **** ** ***** *** ** ***** **** ****** ***** *** ***.

**** ***? ** ********* and ****** ** **** 'this ******' ********* ******... you **** ******** **** their ******** ********.

UL *** ********* ******** *******... ** **** **** *** ******* *** ***** ***** ** ******* **** **** *****. * ******* ***** ** *********** ********.

*** **** * ****** your ***** ******** ****... you *** ******** **** not **** *** ** know ***** **** '****** flaw' (** *** **** characterization) - *** **** they ******** *** ****************** *** ***** ****'* meet ***** *** *********?

**** **** **** **** line ** *********.

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* **** "******** ******", one **** ***** ***** and *** ************* *** ****** *** well ***** ** ****** in ** ******* ***** not **** ** ****** off ** **** ******** critial *****. ** **** is ***** * **** consequence ******* ** ****** with *** ******** ****** of ***** ****** **** have **** ********* **** the ***** **** *** wouldn't *******, **** *** inventors ** **** *******, want ** ***** *** technology ** **** ****** to *** ***** ** that **** ***** *** get *********.

** * **** ****** in ******** *****, *** security ******** *** ****** into * ***** *** personal ***** **** ******** and *** ******** ******* people ****** *** ******* their ******** *** *****. I ********** ****** *** in ******** ** **** a ******, ******** **, but ********* *******'* ****** trump *******?

* **** ************ ***** not **** ** ****** of ** **** *** rather ** ******** **** can ** **** **** people ****!

**** **** ** *** Interceptor *****? *** ** at ***** ****? ** is *** **** *******? I ******** *** **** could *********** ** * flaw ** ***** ****** but **** ** * know.

**** **** **** ***** make * ****** ***** or ***? * ********* off ** ***** ******** doesn't **** ** * warm *** ***** *******. Note ***** ***** ** an ******* ******* ** this ******** *** ** writing **** ** **** post ***** ******* *** down *** *********** ** something.

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*****. ***** **** *** be ** ********* ***** that *** ****** ******** whether ** * **** problem, ***'* *** **** concerns/philosophy ***** ****** ***** your ******** ***** ******'* solution ** ** ****** problem ** ****. *** vast ******** ** ****** products *** ******* **** from ***** ****** ********* from ********** ***** ******** and *******.

**** ** ********** * smart ***** *** ** to **** ****** *** save *****, *** **** try ****** **** *******. It ***** ** ********* like: "***** **** *** the ***** ****** ********** and ****** ** ***** cannot ** **** *************! If **** **** **** would ** ****** **** iPhones ******* ** *** the **** **** *** be **** **** ****!" (Ignore *** **** ***** issues *** ** ****' passing.) *'** **** ******* developers *** * ******* that ***** ** ***** products **** * **** of ***% ******** ************ all *** **** **** "humanitarians", ********** ***** *** majority ** *** ****** seem ****** ** ****** signaling **** *** **** couple ******* ** *****.

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***** **** *** *** other ****** ********** *** people ** ***** ****** be **** *************! ** they **** **** ***** be ****** **** ******* because ** *** *** good **** *** ** done **** ****!

*** **** *** *** FCC ******* ***** ****** saved ***** ****** ****’*?

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"***'* *** **** ********/********** about ****** ***** **** judgment ***** ******'* ******** to ** ****** ******* or ****. *** **** majority ** ****** ******** and ******* **** **** those ****** ********* **** developing ***** ******** *** methods."

**** ********* - *** the ******* ** ****** from ***'* ********** ** not *** ***** ****, imo. * ***'* ***** anyone ** ******* ******* that.

*******, * ***** **** is **** *********** - at ***** ** ** - *** *****'* *** marketing *******.

** ****** **** **** a ***** **** *** attempted ** ******** **** subscribers ** *** ***** of *** ********* - to ***** ******* (*** I'm ***** ******** ****).

** **** ** ******** some ***** ********* **** and ******* *******, ********** to ******-*** ** **** (imo) ********** **********?

**** ***** **** ******* is ****** ** **** orange.

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** **** *** **-**** Shannon's *******, ***** ** what * *** **********. It's **** **** ******* than **** ******** *****.

* ***** **** ***** tactics ** ***** *** the ****** ******** ** very ***********.

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