Pelco Favorability Results 2016

By IPVM Team, Published Dec 02, 2016, 08:42am EST (Info+)

This is the first in a series of studies of manufacturer favorability. 100+ integrators rated and explained their views of each manufacturer.

We start with Pelco.

A decade ago, Pelco was clearly one of the biggest names in the industry but has suffered a steep decline in the past decade. Now, integrator's results show that Pelco's favorability is quite poor.

The main themes integrators cited were:

  • Old / lagging
  • Poor quality / overpriced
  • Schneider ownership negative

Inside this report, we share more than 50 integrator responses, examine the themes and the outlook for Pelco.

Ratings *** *****

*********** ******* ******* ** *****:

 

*****'* ************ ******* **** ***** *** worst ** *** *****. *** ******** details **** ** ******** *** ********** in ** ******** ******.

'Old' ******* *******

*** **** ****** ********* ******* ***** *** their ******* ** **** ****. **** integrators ***** *****'* ******** ** *** just *** ** ****, *** ** far ****** **** *** ******* ** catch ** ** *** ****** ** long ****.

  • "*** ******** **** **** ** *** dust ** ***** ***. ** ***** they **** **** *******."
  • "*** ****."
  • "*** ***** *** ***** ****** ** with *** *** ***** *****. *********."
  • "*** **** ** **** *** *****."
  • "****** *** ****. *** *** ******. Product ** **** **."
  • "**** *******, ****** ** ********** ******** support ***."
  • "****** ***** **** **** *** ******* catch **. **** ** ******."
  • "****** ** *** ** ******* ***** was ** ** ** ******, * installed **** *** *******, ***** *******,******* and ****. ******* ********** ***** *** fallen ******, ***** ******** *** ************ structure *** **** **** ********** *** of ** ******* ******."
  • "** **** *** **** ****** ** implement *** ****** ********, *** **** occasionally *** ** *****, **** ***** be *****."
  • "*'* ********** *****, *** ** **** very ****** ******* ** *****, *** I **** **** ** *** ***** folks **** **** **** ****** ******** one *** ** *******. **** ** perspective, ****'** **** ******* ******* ****** manufacturer."
  • "****** **** * **** ** *** years-ago **** ******, *** **** **** sour, **'* **** **** ** ******* there's * ****** **** *** ******* that ** **** ** *** **** or ******* *** **** ** ******* it's *** ** **** *** ******* lot? *** ******* *** * ***-*****. The ******** ** ******** ** ** better *** *** ****** ***** ***** dive **... *** **** *** ****. I ***'* ****."
  • "*****'* **** ****** **** ** **** about *****. ** *****'* **** *** of ***** ***** ** *****, ******* being ******** ****** ** *** ** out. ** *****'* **** ******** ** any ** *** ********** ******** **** suggests *****'* *** ****** ** ***** using *****."
  • "********. ** ******** ***** **** **** the **** ** **** *** **** were **** ** *** ** *** IP ***** *** **** **** **** did **** **** ******** ** *** whole *********** *****. ***** * **** in **. **** ****'** ****."
  • "*** *** ******* **** **** ** be. *** & **** * ****** for * ********* *************' ******* ******* is **** ******* *** * ****** in * ******** - ** ***** doesn't ****, ***'* *** ****** ****'* camera. **** & ***** **** ** rule *** ******** - ***** *** what ******* **** * ***** ******* is ******* ** ** * ***** multinational, **** **** *****/***/**."
  • "***** ********** ** ****** **** ** Turkey *** * ***** **** ***'* deserve ****. *** *******, *** *** platform *****. * ******'* *** ***** while *'* **** ** *** ****, March ********, ********* ***."
  • "***** *** *** ******* ** **** consider **** *****. **** *** **** legacy ******* *** **** **** ** long ****."
  • "**** ***** **** ******** ***** **** other *********** *** ***** *** ****** market ******* ************* ****. *** ******, not ******* ** ******, ** ********** leadership. *** ******* ******* ** *** Enterprise ******** *****."
  • "******* *** *** *** ******* ** 20 ***** ***. ** **** ******** all *** ****** ********* *** ** Endura. **** **** ***** **** **** R&D."
  • "**** ** ** *****. *** *******. Won't **** ****** *** **** *********** applications."
  • "** *** ****** ****, ***** *** one ** *** ******** *******. ***** their ** ******** *** ***-***. **** after ***** ******** ** ********* ********, the ******* ****** ***** ** ** playing ******* **** ******** *******." 

Price / ******* ******

******** ****** **** ****** **** ***** conscious, *** *** **** ** ******* ************* (like *********) ** ****** ***** *** ****** prices ** **** **** **** **** it ********* *** ********** ** *******. Because ** *****'* ******** **** *** technology ********, *********** **** ***** ** hard ** ******* *****'* ******* *****:

  • "* **** **** ** **********, *** lacking **********. **** **** ** ** stuck ** *** *****, *** ******* on ***** ******* **** **** ******* forward **** *** ******."
  • "*** *********."
  • "****** ***** *** *** ****, ******** = ***..."
  • "**** **** ** *** ****** ****, but ** ** *** **** **** in ** -*** *********."
  • "**** ******."
  • "** ******. **** ******* **** *** it."
  • "********* *** **** ** ***** **."
  • "*** ******, *** ****, ** *** high * *****. ** *** *** willing ** *** *** ****** *** a ***** ******** ******** **** *** an ******* ******* ***, **** ** with *****."
  • "**** ***** ***** *** *** ******* quality. ****** *** *** ****."
  • "**** ****** ** **** **** *** sales, ******* *** **** *******. ***** product ***** **** *****'* **** ** measure ** ** ***** ***** ******."
  • "****** *** ****** *** ********* ******."
  • "********** *** *** ***** *******."

***** ******** ********* *******, ** **** **:

  • "******* *** **** ****** ** *********. Video *********** ** *******."
  • "******** ********. *** *********** **** ******** and **** *******."
  • "**** **** * **** *** ******, in ******* *** ***** *******."
  • "*** *** ******* **** ***** ****** on ******* ** *****."
  • "******* *** ***** **** *** ***."
  • "***** ** *******, ******* *** ********** curve."
  • "* **** ** *** ***** *** the ********** *******, *** * ***'* find **** ******* ** ******* ** price ** ******** *******."
  • "******* *** **** ******** ** **** even **** ** ** ********? ** have ***** **** **** **** *******."
  • "**** ** *** ***** ** ******* I **** **** ******. **** ****** the *** ******* **** ** ******** purchased (****** ******)."

**********, ***** *** ******* *** ***********, and ***** ** ********* ****.

Schneider ********* ****** *****

******* *********** **** ********* ** * competitor, *** ****** ** ******** ***** for **** ******. ****** ****** *** Schneider ** * *** *** *** ownership ** *****.

  • "********** **** *** *** *** ***** Schneider. ** *** ** **** **** now *** ** ** ** ******* them."
  • "** ******** ********* * ********** *** do *** *** *****."
  • "***** ** **********."
  • "****** ****** ******* ***** * ************ or **********. **** *** ***** * line **** ******** **** **."
  • "** * ** **** *******, **** are **** * ***** ** **** they **** ** **. ********* *** ruined **** *******. ***** ** ** vision *** **** *** *** ** be *******."
  • "***** ********* ******** ****** **** **** went ********."
  • "****** **** ***** **** ***** ***, when ** *** ****** *** ******** and **** **** * **** **** in ******. ***** ****, **** **** it, **** **** ***** *** ***** acquisition ** ********* *** ***** **** if **** ******** ***********."
  • "****** ********** **** ***** ******* *****. Since **** **** ******** ** ********* Electric ** **** ******* *** ** support * **********. ***** ***** ****** to **** ***** ******** **** ***** customer ******* *** ******* *** **** they *** **** ** ********* ******** I'm *** **** **** ********* **** offer."
  • "******* ***** **** ***** ***. *** French ****** ** **** *****."
  • "**** ****** **********. ***** *** ******, see ** ****** ** **** ***** with ****, ********** **** ********* ******** behind ****, **** ** **** **** about ***** ************. ** *** * know ********* ***** ********." 

Lack ** ***********

**** *********** ******** ***** *** ***** even ***, *********** *** ********* ****:

  • "***?"
  • "***'* *****? ;)"
  • "*****?? *** **** ***** ******?"
  • "**** ** *** ****, *** ***** alive ** ******?"
  • "*** **** ***** ****?"
  • "*** **** ***** ******? ** ********** is **** **** *** ****** *** of ***** ****** ********, *** **** will **** *** ***."
  • "**** - ***** **** **** - Who?" 

Positive, ** ** ***** **** ********, ******** ** *****

******* *** ************ **********, ***** **** a *** ******** ** ********** ******** for *****. 

  • "* **** ***** ** * ******, reliable *** **** ************. ***** *** a ******* ** *** ****** ******** that ***** * ********** * ***** of *******. * **** ****** *** a **** ******** **** ***** ******* with ***** *******. **** **** ***** aesthetically ******** ******* *** ********* **** do *** **** ******* ** ** an *** ****, ** ***** **** something * ****** **** "******"."
  • "***** *** ** ***** **** ******* or ********, * ***** *** ******** choice. ******* ** *** ** **."
  • "***** ***** ** ** ****** ******, but ********* ****** ****** ****. ** like **** **** *** ******* ******, but *** ****** ** ****** **** to ***** * ***** ***** ********."
  • "******* *** ** ***** *******. *** will **** ** **** **** ******* as **** ********* **** ********* ********'* automation ******."
  • "**** ********, ******* ***** **** ***** cameras *** **** **** ***'* ***** out ** ******* ****** **** *** of *** ***** *** *******."
  • "******* ** ***** ****. ******** ***** are ****. ******* *** **** ********** and *** *** ********** **** *** seem ** ** **** ******** ** other ***** ***."
  • "*** *** ******* *** *** *** mounting ********. ******, *****, *********, **********. I've *********** **** ********, *********, ***."

Pelco *******

** ******* ****,***** ***** * *** ******* ******* *** ********. ** *** prioritized the *********** ** * *** *** platform,**********, *** ******** ** ******** ******-*** vertical *******. ***** ***** *** **** making ***** ******** **** **********, ********** VMS *********** ***** **** *** **** are ********* ******* ***** **** **+ years ** ***********. ************, ***** ****** multi-imagers **** ****** **** ************* (******° **** *************° **** *******). ** *** ***** ****, ************* * ****** ** ******* *** ******* * ****** ***** operation.

***** *** *********** *********** ***** ***** (brand ***********, ********** ***************, ******* ********* limitations *** ******* ***** ***********), ***** will ******* *********** ********** *** ***** to ****** ** **** **** ** its ****** ****** ********.

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Jon Dillabaugh

Pro Focus LLC
12/02/16 02:10pm

I honestly feel like this will be the results of the Axis poll in a few years....

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Undisclosed #3

In reply to Jon Dillabaugh | 12/02/16 03:51pm

Jon,

Please elaborate,

Thanks!

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Jon Dillabaugh

Pro Focus LLC
In reply to Undisclosed #3 | 12/02/16 04:08pm

Pelco is a global leader until being bought out by Schneider, which runs the product into the ground.

Axis is a global leader until being bought out by Canon, *which runs the product into the ground.

*This is my hypothesis of what may happen to Axis. You can certainly disagree. I very well may end up being wrong with my prediction. Neither of us could be right or wrong today.

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Undisclosed #3

In reply to Jon Dillabaugh | 12/02/16 04:19pm

Thanks, that makes sense. Good cautionary words. Hoping this doesn't happen.

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Undisclosed Integrator #2

In reply to Jon Dillabaugh | 12/02/16 05:06pm

Not sure why. But it seems when a company is bought by another giant

the Prices change, increase,

the quality changes, performance stagnate's, support goes offshore to make up for expenses, and changes in performance of product begin to take place ( not always for the best .

When will the large Company's get a hold of the CEO's and go after Quality, competency, and whats best for the company, not the immediate bottom line so the ceo's get the bonus's.

Its not always about the money, some times its about Reputation and Reliability for future generations

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Undisclosed Integrator #4

In reply to Undisclosed Integrator #2 | 12/02/16 05:40pm

So far Axis has made an effort, no matter how minimal, to attempt to fight back a bit on the low end and adapt their product. Essentially, since the Canon purchase I haven't seen any price increases to date.

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Eddie Perry

In reply to Jon Dillabaugh | 12/02/16 04:22pm

One of the few things i can agree with you comrade dillabaugh, AXIS is in the early stages of what has happened to Pelco. they are looking at the market and saying nah even though HD analog is popular its not going to take off....

now if only i can get HD analog encoder that isnt made by the chicoms.....

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Undisclosed Integrator #4

In reply to Eddie Perry | 12/02/16 05:43pm

This AHD encoder is Taiwanese, not Chicom. Not endorsing it, just saw this in their brochure today.

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Eddie Perry

In reply to Undisclosed Integrator #4 | 12/02/16 06:16pm

I know i have seen it but its not ONVIF compliant. I am dreaming that Hanwha will make some since AHD is their thing.

then i will purchasing quite a few of them along with their AHD cameras..

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John Honovich

IPVM | In reply to Eddie Perry | 12/05/16 11:47am

I got more information from Geovision about their HD analog encoders, including that they have a TVI model available and ONVIF firmware upgraded planned for early Q2 2017. More info here: Non-Chinese HD Analog Encoder Options

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Undisclosed Manufacturer #5

In reply to Eddie Perry | 12/02/16 07:23pm
Worse about Axis... they are actively abandoning their VMS partners who have worked side by side to make them so successful. Not one VMS company was given an partner award at their annual awards dinner (ACCC) in Tucson this week. (Historically, Genetec/Milestone and one other VMS gets an award each year.)
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Undisclosed Manufacturer #1

12/02/16 02:25pm

They really need to invest in their own engineering crew. They are not able to keep pace with new product testing and as a result, their hardware recommendations and system restrictions have become extreme such that if you were to follow them, you would be spending a fortune in hardware that is no longer necessary with newer firmware and software.

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Undisclosed Integrator #2

12/02/16 02:52pm

Still Riding on the Name, Not up to speed with the tech advances needed to compete.

They still have some of the market though.

We went from only pelco to no pelco in 10 years and thats because others surpassed in integration and adtability features. legacy to state of the art.

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Claudio Almeida

12/02/16 03:52pm

The worst mistake Schneider did was thinking that their brand was most important than Pelco for the security market.

Since the acquisition I've been seeing Schneider booths in security exhibitions, not Pelco booths anymore. If you looked carefully inside the booth, you could find a small area with Pelco products.

Well, market proves they are wrong...

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Robert O'Rourke

In reply to Claudio Almeida | 12/07/16 01:25pm


Reminds me of GE trying to get into this industry, saw where that got them, a raised meatball logo on a Sentrol contact that makes them more difficult to install!
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Jim Rao

IPVMU Certified | 12/05/16 10:44pm

Sad....is the one of many words to explain a company that was one the Gold Standard in the Video Industry. Most all of us who grew up in this business couldn't wait until the next revision of the "Pelco Catalog". I sold millions of dollars of their products and at the time never regretted a penny of it.

Things you don't forget in life.....Flying on the Pelco Jet from Pittsburg to Clovis.

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John Honovich

IPVM | In reply to Jim Rao | 12/06/16 12:20am

Jim, your comment got me to thinking / starting a new discussion: Have You Ever Flied On The Pelco Jet?

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Undisclosed Manufacturer #6

12/06/16 10:57pm

Love how the responses to the Pelco favorability ratings automatically swing toward Axis. That alone should tell you something.

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Undisclosed Integrator #7

12/12/16 01:38pm

Anyone agree?

Pelco blog post: Quality, Reliability and the Quest for Innovation

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John Honovich

IPVM | In reply to Undisclosed Integrator #7 | 12/12/16 01:41pm

What Pelco says there sounds reasonable to me. It will take time to determine whether they can successfully execute on that.

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Undisclosed Manufacturer #8

In reply to John Honovich | 01/16/17 11:26pm

I agree. Execution will be key.

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