Dahua Confirms, Defends "Black", "White", "Yellow" Skin Color Analytics

Published Jul 31, 2023 13:06 PM

Despite Dahua having repeatedly been caught with and then denying racial analytics, now Dahua not only confirms to IPVM it sells "black", "white", and "yellow" "skin color" analytics but resolutely defended them as being a "basic feature of a smart security solution".

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However, virtually no other security or surveillance manufacturer offers such "skin color" analytics (though compare to Hikvision's Uyghur analytics).

Nonetheless, if Dahua, as one of the world's largest video surveillance manufacturers, makes this a "basic feature" as it says, this raises grave concerns about alarming and tracking people for being "black", "white" or "yellow", as determined by Dahua.

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Very ****** **** can come from training analytics to tag ****** ** ***** **** ***** in video footage, especially here in the United States where racism is such a raw and deep part of our history and present. Video analytics already has the potential to lead to more pervasive surveillance; making detection of skin color a part of the toolbox will practically ********* **** ****** ************** becomes part of that. The history of "Uygur detection" analytics as part of the Chinese government’s infrastructure of oppression stands as a stark reminder of the ugly potential here. [emphasis added]

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John Honovich
Jul 31, 2023
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Vincent Peru
Jul 31, 2023

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Jul 31, 2023

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Jul 31, 2023
IPVM

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Jul 31, 2023
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John Honovich
Jul 31, 2023
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Jason Crist
Jul 31, 2023
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John Honovich
Jul 31, 2023
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Robert Shih
Aug 01, 2023
Independent

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John Honovich
Aug 01, 2023
IPVM

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Robert Shih
Aug 01, 2023
Independent

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John Honovich
Aug 01, 2023
IPVM

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Robert Shih
Aug 01, 2023
Independent

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Undisclosed Integrator #2
Jul 31, 2023

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John Honovich
Jul 31, 2023
IPVM

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RS
Robert Shih
Aug 01, 2023
Independent

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JW
Jermaine Wilson
Aug 01, 2023
IPVMU Certified

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Ross Vander Klok
Aug 01, 2023
IPVMU Certified

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Undisclosed Integrator #3
Aug 07, 2023

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