CES 2018 Show Final Report
This is IPVM's final edition of our 2018 CES show report. Below are already numerous images and commentary, with more coming tomorrow.
CES is far far bigger than even big security shows like ISC West (the CES show floor covers 2,500,000 square feet, compared to ISC West's ~300,000 square feet, roughly 8 times the size), with attendees all over the city and largely in the rain:
How’s the cost to an exhibitor compared to ISC West?
Interesting report - Thank you.
GPS tracking for security applications is usually part of the requirements for carry-on duress alarm which should function and provide accurate location both indoor and outdoor.
I don't think the solar powered cameras will go over to well here in Erie PA. We have had 133 inches of snow and another foot expected Fri.
I need one of those blue elephant suits though.
I would definitely be interested to know more about the GPS tracking companies. We’ve seen a lot of interest arise in this for key fobs and other small item tracking. We’ve looked into GPS EAS tags as well.
Thank you for the excellent show report. Looking forward to the next update.
How prominent is '8K' product and claims?
It looks like Huawei is touting it from the booth pictures, and with the nature of CES to be a generally leading indicator of consumer product, it is interesting to note whether or not '8K' cameras are on the horizon.
I have not seen any 8K IP cameras but that’s likely because none are close to shipping yet.
More interestingly, I can’t recall any IP camera company here promoting resolution as a major marketing element. Doorbells and wire free cameras are the most common promoted themes.
Have you seen this one (Pilot Era Professional 8K VR panoramic camera)?
Do you have any further insight into your statement about resolution as a selling point?
insight into your statement about resolution as a selling point?
I suspect because for home use, 1080p is likely 'good enough' resolution for the small areas typically covered. Given the wide angles they use, they might benefit from 4K but then they have the issue of upstream bandwidth and cloud data costs given that most promote cloud recording.
More broadly, there just was not a lot of big things being shown in home video surveillance - more face recognition in doorbells was probably as 'big' as a 'tech' trend there was there.
Great Report. I would definitely being interested in see more about the GPS Tracking Companies as well.
Do the blue elephant suit guys have a booth or is it just standard Las Vegas weirdness?
Very interested in the GPS apps, but really only because I need a new one for my kids' phones, and I don't feel like researching on my own.
You may want to search for a vendor to do what the cellular carriers have failed to do for over a decade, but entities like Uber seem to have little problem. Geo-location of cellular callers. This is especially critical given that cellular 911 calls today represent 70% of all 911 calls. Most callers are under the mistaken belief that their cell 911 call provides geo-location of their position.
Very surprised to know this, being from UK we've had which is know as ESIC (Enhanced Information Service for Emergency Calls) since 2004. Ability for emergency services including car breakdown to locate you from a phone call. Landlines had been doing this since 1999 and proved to save lives. didn't need a smart phone.
Anyone with iPhone can type: *3001#12345#* which is service mode you can locate cell towers, which are fixed positions, normally 3cells is all you need, to give a respectable location giving a cell power reading.
Update: Day 2, pt1 update added. Still a lot more to come / add from our meetings including 3 bluetooth tracking companies and 1 GPS one to respond to comments from above.
Excellent John, thanks. I am interested in Plott. Anyone here ever used it?
What's your reads on DIY security stuff in general? More/less or better/worse than last year?
Appreciate the show report.
DIY stuff is everywhere. For panels, major players like Honeywell and 2Gig are offering DIY kits, and many companies like Simplisafe that are targeting DIY security directly.
It is the same for cameras. A lot of DIY-oriented cameras, some that are clearly Dahua/Hikvision/etc. OEMs, others that look more original (but may or may not still be primarily OEM). Several cameras with solar panels (beyond what John posted in the update above). Some other "wire free" cameras similar to Blink or Arlo, and so forth.
I was planning to do a short wrap up of these later today and will add some pictures and additional detail, but at a high level, there are many companies targeting the lower-end/DIY sector. Can not comment on this year vs. last year, as this is IPVM's first coverage of CES, and it has been ~15 years since the last time I was at CES.
Update: I returned to the XM booth today. This time, I presented a mainstream article talking about Mirai and XM's role. Now, XM's manager's English and understanding improved.
Interestingly, he had 2 responses:
- He called it 'old news'. The Mirai botnet attacks occurred 15 months ago.
- He blamed it on Dahua, saying that Dahua was their competitor and was trying to make them look bad.
While Dahua's products were exploited in the Mirai botnet, XM's certainly were as well.
Decent size booth?
Do you think most people at CES are aware of the association between Mirai and XM?
XM's booth was fairly big ~20x20 for their super low brand recognition, though I didn't verify it on a show document. They were fairly bag in the far corner which put them in a tougher spot.
The handful of times we passed by their was no more than 1 or 2 attendees in their booth.
And now, I doubt even 1% of the people at CES knew of the association off the top of their head. XM may have some notoriety among cyber security people and video surveillance professionals but not the consumers and consumer buyers most typical at CES.
Day 3 updates now are live including Ring, FLIR, doorbell cameras, security robots, ADT, etc. We still have more notes, pictures, etc. and final thoughts that we will work in shortly.
I laughed at the thought of ADT, or any company in the security space being "on fleek."
I am particularly interested in truly wireless cameras that can be effectively supported on Exacq or other VMS. I was preparing to try out the Netgear FlexPower until I read the review here on IPVM.
Have there been any other potential contenders seen out there?
Peter, thanks for your first comment!
There's definitely a shortage of totally wireless cameras that work with open VMS or ONVIF or even RTSP.
Reference for others: ONVIF Wire Free Camera Tested (Netgear FlexPower)
I do suspect in the next year there will be more options as the market is definitely a growth area that most manufacturers are aware of. The main thing holding it back is that the offering have so far been consumer-focused where 3rd party integration has been less viewed as less important.
Great report guys. Yes I would love more reporting on tracking.