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Is Geutebruck A Similar Company To Avigilon? It Seems They Promote Their Own Ecosystem Of Products

I don't have a lot of knowledge about Geuterbruck but that they offer a high end video surveillance equipment. It seems the pitch is to use predominately products from their own system.

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I was very impressed with Geuterbruck when I demoed their system.  The turnoff was they OEM most of there cameras. 

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Have any idea where from?

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Korea for a certain subset.  Not sure about the entire camera product line.

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Looks like some Basler, VCA, and Dynocolor cameras. 

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All else being equal, why is using OEM for cameras a turnoff?  This is not a Geutebruck specific question as this view seems to be a common theme. 

I'm just trying to better understand why an integrator/reseller would care whether a subset or even all of a manufacturer/brand's products are OEM if one assumes the price/performance value, tech support/documentation, inventory level and general business practices of a manufacturer/brand are competitive.

NOTICE: This comment has been moved to its own discussion: Why Is Using OEM For Cameras A Turnoff?

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I'm just trying to better understand why an integrator/reseller would care whether a subset or even all of a manufacturer/brand's products are OEM...

1) An OEM means one more middleman, which puts pressure on price.

2) Can complicate tech support relationship

3) Customer may be able to buy identical branded product cheaper

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They have a good looking VMS. The obvious red flags for me are OEM'd cameras, high price tag, and lack of US-based support. They do have US HQ based just outside of DC but don't think they have much resources outside of that.

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Hi,

Headquarters of Geutebrück USA is in Tampa, Florida.

Regional Offices in Dulles/VA, Houston/TX, Atlanta/GA, Chicago/IL

Visit www.geutebruckusa.com for more Details

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UI1,

I emailed Geutebruck to report a 2018 update, with technical and business related information. I will update here when the post is published.

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Chris,

Are you able to fix the spelling in the original post? Will make future searches easier....

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Geutebrück USA handles sales, service and support of Geutebrück Systems and Solutions in North America. Now headquartered in Florida, they stock products here for the US market and have a significant US based sales & support staff with 5 regional offices around the US. With their significant growth over the past two years, they are also scheduled to open additional regional offices this year.

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Doesn't look like you can buy their VMS and install it on an off the shelf box. 

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You can buy just their software under special cases from what I've heard, especially if the customer is insistent on putting the VMS on a virtual machine, though we've never done it. Word is they will also be more open to that coming soon. But we've had success selling on the fact the hardware and software are coming from the same manufacturer, especially in places where the customer had problems with their previous VMS running on COTS hardware and were faced with finger pointing issues blaming hardware vs. software. 

The Germans are usually very conservative and don't like outside variables that can unfairly make their system look bad. But they are opening up more because they understand this is more of a "have it your way" kind of market, for better or worse. 

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Geutebruck is a competitive "Tier 1" VMS brand here in Australia - due to a very capable local sales and support office, who appear to be able to beat out many of the tier 1's such as Milestone, Genetec etc in head to head competition. I believe that Australia/ Asia-Pac is the strongest region for them outside their German home.

That said, I'm pretty sure they don't do anywhere near as good a business with their cameras, and certainly aren't reliant on having their own brand of cameras installed. Many of their applications here (major retail/ malls, corrections and Government facilities) have a range of third party cameras here such as Axis, Sony etc so they're not pushing end to end.

While the VMS itself has a strong reputation, it does get more difficult if you want to add third party products such as analytics into your system, as they're not nearly as open or easy to integrate with as the likes of Milestone, and in the past I've found their support team in Germany to be limited/ unresponsive (not necessarily surprising given they're still a family-owned specialist video surveillance company).

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We're a US dealer. Geutebruck does promote the use of their branded cameras same as Avigilon does, but like Avigilon it is also open to most all the major brands with brand specific drivers for names like Sony, Hanwha, Axis, Bosch, Arecont, along with RTSP, ONVIF and HTTP streaming drivers.

One of the selling points they use for their newer branded cameras is end to end encryption for camera credentials and video streams, along with automatic "dynamic streaming" for changing the resolution of the live stream based on window size without having to manually configure dual or triple stream profiles.

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We posted our Geutebrück Profile this morning.

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Hi – Geutebruck builds solutions – we offer a full range of both hardware (servers, cameras, viewing stations and accessories) but we also provide a comprehensive software only solution.

In Australia, we did our first fully virtualized (software only) solution about 7 years ago and since then many hundreds of software-only systems.  Recently Crown Casino – with circa 3,000 channels on 70VMs.

A key point of difference is all our analytics and advanced features work with any IP camera – unlike others who often reserve the advance features for their cameras alone.

Our servers run on Windows Server2016 and our smaller appliances run on WIN10 LTSB (long term servicing branch).  Geutebruck also provide a Performance Test and Certification service, so if you have a special hardware preference and want to ensure optimum performance, then we can provide this service and a level of comfort that the system we perform as expected.  See more here https://www.geutebrueck.com/en_US/performance-test-and-certification-48260.html

 

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Anthony, aren't you using VCA cameras for analytics?   Are you running additional analytics on the server? 

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Recently Crown Casino – with circa 3,000 channels on 70VMs.

Crown Casino in Perth, Western Australia, in 2015

Crown Casino in Melbourne is a long time Dallmeier customer and have just recently (last month) awarded the latest upgrade to Johnson Controls as well as the yet to be built Crown Sydney

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Who had the CCTV contract for Crown Melbourne back in 2013?

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Like most cameras - there are some in-built analytics (think Sony, Axis, Bosch and Geutebruck) which we have integrated and take advantage of.  But in addition, Geutebruck has a range of server-based analytics (LPR, Advanced Outdoor 3D motion detection, Motion Object Privacy, etc.) which can be applied to any IP camera. The server-based analytics use a combination of both CPU and GPU for the analysis and processing.

Further, a super nice feature regarding the processing requirements for analytics is our ability to “outsource” this to any other compute available on the network!  So, in the event the CPU is getting a little too cooked – we can run the video content analysis (VCA) as a separate service on say, for example, a work station or NUC.

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a super nice feature regarding the processing requirements for analytics is our ability to “outsource” this to any other computer available on the network

A more common phrase here in North American IT parlance for this is "offloading". We've done this ourselves when some customers wanted to add more video analytics channels than what a single server would support. The primary server sends streams to the analytics computer, then the analytics computer sends the metadata back to the primary for indexing with the video.

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