I have one of these with the analytics installed looking out my front window at the sidewalk coming up to my porch. For the most part it has worked fairly well considering this is very low traffic, even detecting a person when walking out from the house to the driveway. It has missed some though. Overall for the price point these are good little cameras. I have the new sensors and light bulbs as well but haven't done much with these yet as I had hoped. For some reason my daughter wanted to get married two weekends ago so my spare time has been involved in that. 😊
This is extremely good for the industry, as this will push incumbents to get real deep learning released.
However, it is seriously embarrassing for all the big companies that still can’t do this. For example, Hikvision and all its “big data”, “strongest R&D”, 16,000 “engineers”, claims. Axis too, while they do not say much about AI, they really should if they want to justify their price premium.
It is wild that person detection has taken this long to become normal for video surveillance but this is a good sign we are now quite close.
Note: I changed the title to "Wyze AI Analytics Tested - Beat Axis and Hikvision"
The reason is to emphasize its relationship to professional video surveillance. I can see by reads and engagements that Wyze is not of much interest (not just this report, the various reports we have done on Wyze).
However, what Wyze has done here is very significant for professional video surveillance. Wyze is going to sell a million or two million cameras this year and more 'regular' people are going to expect people detection as standard (even if they don't understand what 'deep learning' or YOLO or object classification is). And products like Axis and Hikvision are going to look foolish when Wyze is smarter than they are.
Those professional companies that catch up quickly should be fine but it could portend major pain for laggards in AI.
I have Wyze and it is impressive in relation to cost. What drives me crazy is the 5 minute cool down for recording. Perhaps I read the manual wrong, but I thought inserting an SD Card would have fixed that.
Also, the new Person Detection is good, except when a TV is in view of the camera.....
UI2, when you insert the SD card you can go to advanced settings > local recording and enable continuous recording, the camera should then just continuously record to the SD card and you can search through recorded video.
in our tests motion events were recorded within 5 minutes of eachother but person detection still triggered a 5 minute cooldown.
Wyze cameras are fun/cheap little things. Not sure if it was covered here but they also have a RTSP firmware so you can pull it into about any VMS. I have a few friends that I have convinced to go with Wyze and they are all happy.
According to the Wyze Cam RTSP article, it is a separate firmware version that will be upgraded infrequently, so as a consumer / home technique, it could make sense but not that much for commercial applications.
I have 6 of these at my house and the only thing that bugs me is the USB power cord, but that is a tiny complaint. They work fine for general purpose stuff and making sure my dog is not eating the couch.
I am curious about the business model. Does Xnor charge Wyze a per-unit royalty? NRE? Some sort of arrangement based on future business? Is Wyze just eating the cost for now in order to grow interest in future ala carte, maybe subscription based, AI algorithms?
XNOR declined to disclose pricing beyond confirming that it is a licensing / software based model.
My guess is that it is at least somewhat of a trade / barter since xnor.ai's wordmark is displayed now on Wyze video, which is an unconventional move. It's not like technically speaking Wyze would need to show xnor's wordmark on their video stream so that's why I guess it was negotiated. If it is, it is probably a good deal for xnor since that will get them lots of exposure for other potential customers.
I almost have to retract my previous comment about the person Detection. My camera hasn’t detected anyone for more then a week now. I even stand outside for a few moments so the camera can recognize me. Could be a glitch and need to be turned off and back on but been to lazy to do that yet.
Actually, Ingenic (a Chinese chip manufacturer), is also a provider for Xiaomi (for Face unlocking devices) and, more interestingly, HIKVision (!) and seems to be hugely funded by the Chinese government:
Thanks Rob. I installed 4 Wyze cameras, a motion sensor and 2 door contacts about 3 weeks ago. I'm in sales on the manufacturing side. Very easy to install and if installation was easy for me it will be easy for all of your readers. Person detection had significant false positives initially but that has improved to the point of almost zero false positives. It definitely misses people at times though. Funny example: it's currently 4pm and I am the office. I can see my brother-in-law drinking my beer on the "backdeck camera" yet there was no person detected in the driveway or in the front of the house. (The only ways to get to my back deck.) This was not caused by the 5-minute cooldown because no people have been detected since 2:21pm. I live on a fairly quiet residential street in the city. People have definitely walked by on the sidewalk in front of my house in the past 2 hours.
Having said that; I'm pretty impressed with Wyze. For basic residential use they have decent quality at a very low price and very easy installation. If you want to have an actual security benefit you must install the micro-SD storage though. Otherwise you get 12 seconds of the burglar approaching in the distance and then a 5 minute blank. Obviously the cameras and sd can be easily stolen or destroyed. But it's better than no camera system.
The contact closures also work really well and alert promptly on my phone if those doors are left open. Wyze blogged recently about an outdoor camera; looking forward to checking that out...
The camera has been up and running since we completed our test, looking at our workbench and storage area. False alert performance has been very solid, with only 2 false alerts in the past week, both at night, triggered by a bug flying past the camera. The full clip:
It has also rejected alarms from light changes here, both from the overhead lights turning on and off and a nearby door opening/closing while the lights are off in this room.
Wyze just communicated that they just had a falling out with Xnor. It had to do with the agreement they had in place. Maybe they got the publicity they needed and now they want more money? It would be interesting to find out why and whether Wyze is able to create anything comparable (it's mentioned in the Wyze email blast) to replace them (Cloud is an option based on the message).
Removing person Detection on cew camera sales is one thing. It sounds like this also applies to cameras already purchased! I don't see how than make that new firmware mandatory. They collected the money when they sold the cams with person detection. Surely they can't make users "return" a key feature of product they purchased...
Can't even imagine the scrapping behind the scenes on all of this!
Wyze released a timeline for upcoming products and their updated non-Xnor person detection still does not have a release date. It is currently shown as being in Alpha:
They had this to say, which only offers up the vague "soon" as a release date:
We were really bummed when we had to remove person detection from Wyze Cams due to the Xnor.ai acquisition. Since their acquisition, we have been doubling down on our solution. Our in-house person detection for all Wyze Cams is in alpha testing. We are making great strides here and should have this highly requested service live again soon.
We will be testing it, but it will probably be in a few weeks. Rob has been in the beta test program and may be able to share some thoughts. Did they make their person detection public? I usually get newsletters from them about that sort of thing.
As far as a risk by keeping old firmware, I am not sure. Their release notes don't mention security improvements, but that doesn't mean there aren't any.