Large US University End-User Video Surveillance Interview

By: Dan Gelinas, Published on Mar 18, 2019

Schools have become targets in modern days of active shooters and terrorist fears. The need for video and access security is high. Universities also present increased challenges—students live both on and off campus, people take night classes that require unique time-based access levels, cameras are required to see in a broader variety of conditions, for example.  When that university system is very large—not one campus but 20—there are even more considerations.

IPVM interviews the Technology Administrator of a large US University that comprises numerous campuses across their state. The system incorporates thousands of cameras and manages permission rights for more than 100,0000 credential holders.

Our interview with a Technology Administrator at a large US University covers a wide range of important topics:

  • Why they do not use integrators for their video surveillance and what they do instead
  • Why they still have thousands of analog cameras and what they are doing about that
  • How many cases a year video surveillance has an impact on and what image quality challenges they have 
  • What VMS, camera and access control manufacturers they have
  • What multi-imager cameras they are using and which 'failed miserably'
  • What type of facial recognition they are considering and why they rejected Anyvision
  • Why they have 'no intention' to use Dahua, Hikvision or Huawei and why they 'tore apart some camera models'

******* **** ****** ******* in ****** **** ** active ******** *** ********* fears. *** **** *** video *** ****** ******** is ****. ************ **** present ********* **********—******** **** both ** *** *** campus, ****** **** ***** classes **** ******* ****** time-based ****** ******, ******* are ******** ** *** in * ******* ******* of **********, *** *******.  When **** ********** ****** is **** *****—*** *** campus *** **—***** *** even **** **************.

**** ********** *** ********** Administrator ** * ***** US ********** **** ********* numerous ******** ****** ***** state. *** ****** ************ thousands ** ******* *** manages ********** ****** *** more **** ***,**** ********** holders.

*** ********* **** * Technology ************* ** * large ** ********** ****** a **** ***** ** important ******:

  • *** **** ** *** use *********** *** ***** video ************ *** **** they ** *******
  • *** **** ***** **** thousands ** ****** ******* and **** **** *** doing ***** ****
  • *** **** ***** * year ***** ************ *** an ****** ** *** what ***** ******* ********** they **** 
  • **** ***, ****** *** access ******* ************* **** have
  • **** *****-****** ******* **** are ***** *** ***** 'failed *********'
  • **** **** ** ****** recognition **** *** *********** and *** **** ******** Anyvision
  • *** **** **** '** intention' ** *** *****, Hikvision ** ****** *** why **** '**** ***** some ****** ******'

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****: *** **** **** you **** *** ********** Administrator ** **** ********** system?

*** * *****. *’** been **** *** ********** for * ***** ** 10. ** *** *** previously ******** *** ************ system. *** ***** ***** put ** ********* *** update * *********** ********* and **** *** ****** much **. **** * first ******* **** ** was ** ****** ******, so ** ****’* ******* a *** ** *********, but **** ** *** into *** ** *****, that’s **** * *** that ** ****** ****** to ** ******* *** I ****** ** ***** keeping *****.

****: *** *** *** come **** **** ***?

* ******* *** ** oil **********. ** ****’* how * ****** ********* to **** ** *** university ** * ****** operator. ** ** ****** crime ************ ****. ** we’re ******** *** *********. We **** *** *** police ********** *** **’** a ******* ******** ****** so, ***, ****** *********, and ****** ******* ************** and **** *** **'** all ** *** **** area.

****: *** ** ******** and ********** ** *** University ********?

****, ****'** ****** *** need ** ****** *** positions **** **** ***. That ** *** ***. The ********** ** ****** the **** ** **** new ********* **** ***** the ***** **** ** the **** ** ********** we **.

****: ** *** **** to ******* *** ******* access ****** ** *********** ****** like ***** ******* ** special ****** ** ****, etc?

***. ** ****** ****** levels ** **********, ****, time *********, *** ******** as **** ** ******* University ****** ***** **** all *******/*****/******* *******. ***** are ********* ** ************ we **** ******* *** apply. ************, ** **** of *********, ***** *** hierarchical ****** ****** **** allow ** ** ******* who *** ** ***** and **** ********** ** their ***** ****** *****.

****: **** *** *** to **** ************* ** lighting ** ***** **** cameras ** *** ** night, ** *** *** relying on ******'* ** ************?

************ ** **** *** IR ****** ** ***** big ***** *** ****-*** the ******** ** ** image, *** *** *** most **** *** ******* illuminators *** **********. *** big ******* ****** ***** cost ** ********* *** prohibitive, ** *** **** systems.

****: **** **** * typical *** ** *** job **** **** *** you?

*** **, * **** in *** * ***** all ** **** ** make **** ******* ******** overnight. * *** ******, but * **** ** check *** **** ****. Do **** ****** **********, see **** ******* **** dropped. ** **** * very ******* *******.

****: **** ***** ** technological (*******, ******, *********, panic, **** ************, ***.) and ***** ********* ** you ******?

** *** ****** ****** system ** ** ******* duty. *’* ****** *** only *** *** ***** it ******* *** *******. I’m **** *** ********* manager *** *** ****** control ******, ** * handle *** ****** *** adding ********* *** *********** for **** ***** ******.

****: **** ** *** size *** ***** ** those ******* *******?

** **** ****** ******* on **% ** *** buildings *** ** **** 20 ********. ** **** 175, *** *********** ** the ****** *** **** includes *********, ********, *******, staff, ***. **’* *** entire *****.

****: *** **** ******* and ******* ** *** have?

**’** *********** *,*** ******* and ****’* *********** **% IP /**% ******, *** that **** ***** ************ in *** **** *** years. **’** ******** * lot ** **** ******* and *********. *** ******* we're **** **** *,*** across *** ********.

****: ***** ***'** *** an ****** **** *** of ****** *** **, which ***** *** *** are ******, ***** ** newer, ****** ** **?

****, ***** ** ******* clearly ********** *** ** and ****** *******.

****: **** **** ****** cameras **** ****** ******** because ** * **** of **********?

**** *****'* '******' ********, but ***** ******* *** and ***** *** ****** the ***** ********.

****: **** ******* ************** are ***** **** * large-scale ********** ************ ****** that *** ******’* **** at, ***, * ****** outlet, ** ** ****** building?

**’** *********** * ****. We **** ****** ******* through **** ** *** campuses, ** ** **** people ****** **** *** over ****** ***** ***** to ****** ****** ****. We *** ********** **** murder **** ** ***** theft.

****: *** ***** ** your ******* **** *** to ***** *** * problem? *** ******* *****, vandalism, ******** ** * fight, ******** ** *******?

**’* ******** ** ***** a ****. * ******’* say **** **’** ******** this ***** **** *********, but **’* ** ************. We ***** *** * fight ********* ** ******* stealing * **** *** we *** ******** ** the ***. ** **** it ***** ** ** adjudication, **’** ********** ********** so **** *** *** a ******** ******* ** that.

****: *** ** *** network ********* ********? *** do *** ******* *** communicate *** ** *****?

****’* **** ** **** I’m ***** ***** *** is ******** ***** ***** of ******** **** ***** camera ** *** *** campuses ** **** ***** cameras **** **** **** to *** **** ****** control ******. **’* *** ethernet. **’** ***-**-****** ******** that’s ******.

****: *** *** *** ************** for ************* ***** *******, security ** **?

****** ******. ** ** siloed ***, ******** ** siloed ***. **’* *** way ************ ****.

****: *** ** *** select/evaluate ******** *********** ** work ****?

** ******** ***’* *** integrators *** *******. ** do *** ****** *******. We **** * **** of ********* *******. *** cameras, **** ******* **** gets ***** **** * project *** **** **** out ** ***. *’* responsible *** ******* *** specing *********. ** **** in-house *********** *** *** very *******. *** ******* give ** ***** *******, but ** **** *** system **’** ***** **** well, ** *****’* ** need ** ***** ** anybody **** *** *******.

Manufacturers *** ****** *** ***** - **** / ***, ****, *******

****: **** ************ ********—******* *** VMS—have *** ****?

** ********* *** ******** House *** ******** ******** products. *********, ** *** C*Cure **** *** ****** and *** ****** ***** Edge *.*. **’* *** Axis *** ******* *** cameras.

Dahua *** ********* ********

****: **** *** **** thoughts ** ********* *** Dahua?

**** ** *** **** of *** ********** ****** against **** *** ****** we *** * **** analysis ** ** **** we *** **** ** these ******* ** *** system. (We **** **** ***** some ****** ****** ** were ********** ** ** verify *** ******* ****'* Hisilicon.) We *** ***, *** have ** ********* ** using ****. 

****: **** *** **** had ******** **** ******** integrators—lack ** ** *********, being ****** **** ******** products, ***** ****-****** **** change ******, ***.?

**, ** ******* **** very *******. *** ******* we **** *** **** is **** **** *** thankfully *** *********** ** work **** *** **** knowledgeable.

****: ** **** *** advice **** *********** **** it ***** ** **** security **** *** *** university ** ** *** do *** ******** ******** and ******* ********/*********?

*** **** **** ** very *************. **’** ******* ahead ** *** ***** on **********. ** **** boundaries ** ***** ** what ******** *** **. We **** **** ******* will *** **** ** product *** ** **** and ** ***’* ******* it ***** ** **** it *** *** ** in *** *** ***********. You *** * **** and **’* *** **********. It’s *** *** ***********, complete **** *********. ** I *** *** ***** the **** **** * test **** ** ** environment **’* ***** ** perform ***********.

****: ** *** **** a ********* ** ********* network *** **** ******* and ***** *******?

**** **** ***** *** VLANs. ** *** **** center, ***** *** **-*** backbones **** *** *** down ** **-*** ********. Some ******* ***’* **** well ** *** * gig *******, ** ** have ** **** **** down *********.

****: **** **** **** dumbing **** ******?

****, **** ** *** of ** ***** ** expertise, *** ********** *** 10gig ******** *** ** adjusted **** **** ** to * ** **** and **** ** ******* level **** ********* ********* at **/***. **** ******* don't **** ** ******** with *** ****** *** to ****, ** ** use *** **/*** ******* in ***** *****.

****: ** *** ******* remote ******* ** ****** or ** ************* ******** limit **** *******?

**********, ****** ** **** good ** *********** ******. So ** ******** **** 25 ****** ******* *****. I ********* ***** ******* to ****** *** *******. No *** *** ****** except ****** ******. **** entities *** **** *** PTZ ** **** **** to.

****: ** *** ** share, ** *** *** a *** ** ******* remote ****** ******?

**’* *** ** *** same *******. ** *** them **** ** **** that ******* ** ** our **** *** *** then ** ******** **** off. **’* * ****** out ** ** ***** it’s * ****** ****** IT ********.

****: **, **** **** mean ** ******* ***** to ****** *** ******* from ***** ****? **** can ***?

******/********* ****** **** ***** that *** ** ***********, so **** ******** **** purchase * ****** ** and **** * **** them *** *********** ******. Sometimes **** ****** ** use * ******* **** so **** *** *** the ***** ****** **** no ***** *************. ** one ******* ** ****** Safety *** *** ******* from ****. ** ** need ** ** **** we **** * ****** connection ** *****.

****: ** *** ** your ******* *** ********* via ******** ***** **** equipment **** *** ****?

**, ** ******** *****. It’s *** ******, ******** or *****. ** **** some ******** **** ******* here *** *****, *** no ******** *******.

****: **** *** **** switched *** ****** ** equipment (*******, ***, ********, etc.) ****** **** ****** and ** ** **** made *** ****** *** were *** ***** **** the ********.

** **** *** **** any *******. ** ** prior **** ** **********, I **** ********* *** when * **** **** I ***** *** ** weren’t ***** ** *** it ********* **** **** to ****. *’* *** sure ** ***’** ******** with ****** *** *** first ********** **** ********. We’ve ****** ****** ******* over *** **** *** years *** **** *.* it’s * ****** ****** product.

****: **** ** ** about **.* **** ****** a ******? **** ** you **** ***** **?

** *** * ********** new ** **** ****** search *****. ******* *.* is *****, ** *** get * *** **** out ** *** ****** PC. They **** ******* ****** a *** ** ************* to *** *** *** series, *** ********* ***** analytic **********/***********.

****: ****, ** ***, external ************* ****** **** you *** *** **********’* surveillance/security ******* *******?

****’* **** ** * separate ********** *** *'* not ***** ** *** frequency. * **** **** actively ******* *** *** intrusions. *** *** ****** with ***** **** ** that **’***-***** *** *************.

****: *** ***** ** you ******** *** ****** and ******** **********?

*** ******* *** ****** and *******, **** *’* interested *** ***** ** in *** * **** it. *’* ********** ******* new *****.

****: ***'** ********* ******* a *** *****, ***** has **** ****** *** a *** *****. ** you ***** *** ******?

** ***'* *** **** extensively, *** ** *** always ******* ***** ********* as ** ******* **.

****: *** ** **** process ******* (*.*. *** do *** ********/***** *** cameras *** ******** ****** the ******** ********* ******?) Is ** **** *** or *** ** ******* a *********?

****, **, ********** *** the ***** *** *** the ****** *********. ****’** the ***** **** *** generating *** ****** *** X **********. ** * say, ** ** ***** going ** * ** model? ** **** ***** does *** ** *** the ******. ** * tested ** ** ** and **** ****** *** smart ****** *** ****** storage. ** ** **** a ***** ********* **** evaluates *** ********—** **’** going ** ***** $***,*** on ********* **** *** involved *** **** * recommendation ** **********. ******* stuff ** ******* ** a ******* *****.

****: *** ***** ************, but *'** *** ************: Is ** ***** ***** to **? *** ** Why ***?

**** * **** ** ROI ** **** ** the **** **** ** ownership? **** **** ** network ****** **** *,*** 4k ******* ****? **** storage ***** *** **********? Is ** ********* ** accomplish *** *****? ** always, ** ******** ****** types ***** ** ***** application *** *********** ******. In *** *******, ** our ******, ** *****'* found *** ********** ******** impact, ** **'** ****** rolling ** ***.

****: **** ** **** typical *** ** **** cameras? ** **** **********? Does ** **** **** to ** ****? *** it **** ** ****?

*** ******** ** ** frames. *** ** *** analytical ***** ********* **’** need ** **** **** up. ******* ****-******** **********, we *** **** ** 30 ***. * ***’* really ***** *****’* * need, *** ***** *** guidelines. **** ** *** gaming ********, *** **** to ** ** **.

****: *** **** ****** of ********** *** ***** into **** ***/******/*******/***** ************?

**** **** ** **** by *** ********. **** facilities *** ** ***. That’s *** *********** **********, but ** ******** *** cameras **** ***** ****. That’s ********* ** **** to **** ** ** the **** ****. ** we **** ** **** to ********? ** ** see *** **** *** it, *** *** ********** atmosphere ** **** **** we’re **** ******* ** have ** ** * datacenter *** *****’* **** one ********** **** *** video ****** *** ** in.

****: *** *** ****** ever **** ****? *** the ********** **** ******?

** ** **** * datacenter, ******** ** **** datacenter ** **** ***** it ** ********. ****'* why ** *** ****** the ******** **********. ** a ******** ** ** UPS, **** *** *** on-site, ** ***'* **** anything.

****: ** *** ** any **** ****** **********? Or *** **** ******* used ** ** ***** trail ****?

*** **** ******** *** there *** ***** ******** *** based ** ***** ******, that *******. **** *** shift *****. *********, ***** an ***** ******, **** operators *** ******** ** public *****, ** *** street, ******** *** *********. For *******, ******** *** faculty *** ***** ** campus *** ****** ***** somewhere—to *****, ** * meeting, ** *** ****—*** they ****** ****** **** backpacks. ** ** ** see ******* *** *****’* fit *** ** ***** molds—they’re ********* ****** *** are ******* ***** **** bags **** ******** **** tools ** ****—** **** know.

****: ** *** *** 3rd ***** ********** ** all?

**, ** *** * 24/7 ******.

****: **** **** ******* of ******* *** **** popular ********** **** ********** system?

** *** ******. ** use **** *** ** the ******, ** ********. For ******, ***** *******, they’re *****. **** ** use ******* *** ******* plate *********** * ***. It **** ******* ** the ***********.

Multi-Imager ****** *****

****: **** *** **** **** multi-imager *******?

** **** ***** ** Axis *****-******* ** *** system-wide, *** ****'* *******. We ****** **** ** the ******* ****** ******, but ****-****** *** ***** just *****'* **** ** were ******* ***. ******* failed ********* ** *** environment.

Analytics *** ****** *********** *****

****: ** *** *** facial ***********, ***,  ** analytics *** ****** **** managing ******* ****/**********, *******/******* behavior *********? **** ** you *** ** *** horizon *** *** ** these ***** ** ***** applications?

** *** *** **** suite. ** **** ****** recognition ***** **** ** object *********. **’** **** slowly ******* ** *** because ** ***’* **** to ** ******* ** AI. *** ** ******** facilities, *** **’** ***** AI. **’** ******* *** license ***** *********** ******* that’s * ***** ******* from ***. ****** *********** we **** *** ** haven’t ****** *** *** because, ** ** *******, it’s *** *****. **** we ** **, * want ** ** ** used ** ******** ******* for ******** ***********. **’** still ****** **** ********** in-house ** *** ** want ** ** **** and **** **’** **** legal ******** **** *** university. **’** ***** ****** to ****** *** *** we **** ** *** it ****** ** **** the ************** ** **********. I *** *** *********’* and ****’* ******** *** closet, * *****. * don’t ***** **’* ***** there *** ** ** trustworthy.

****: **** ***** ** facial *********** **** *** be ******* *** ********** and *** **** *** rather **** **** *****?

** *** *** ******** Dynamics *******, *** **** not ***** ** **** it ***. ** *** demo ********* *** **** that, *** ** *** to ***** ********** ******* as **** ** ********.

****: ** ******* *** expansion/upgrading **** * *******?

***** **** ****** ** make ************** *** **, no *** ***** ** generally *****.

****: **** ** *** process *** *********** ****** placement ********** *** ******?

**** ** **** ****** filling *** *** ****** to ***** *** ***** holes ** ***, *** committee ***** **** ** crime **** *** ***, "Wow **’** **** ****. We **** * ******." Now **’* ****** ** the ****** ********* *** it’s ****** ** **********. That’s *** *** * prefer ** ** ** done ******* ***** ****** know **** ***** ** be ****.

****: **** *** **** gotten *** ******** **** the ******/******** ** ***** rights ****** ***** ******* in ****** ***** ** your ********?

** **** ***. * think *** ********** ********* itself **** *** ******* of **. ** **** students *** **** **** us *** *** ********* happened *** **** ******* there *** * ****** there. * **** *** police ********* ********** **. To **** *** * better ****, ***'* *** someone ***** *** *** we *** **** ******’* location *** ** **** that ** **** ******* in **** ****, ** bring **** ** *** we’re ******* ****** **** information ** ******** *** are ** *****. **’* also ******* ******. **’** generated **** ***** **** we *** ** ******* who ***** **** **** so **** ***’* **** to **** ***** **** buttons.

****: **** ********* ****** the ******** ** ***** in? *** *******, *** should ******** ************ ** used ** ***** **** and **** ********** ************ do *** ***** **** have *** ******* ******?

****, *** *** *****, I ***** ** ** used ******, **’* *** pushback **** ********. * think *** ******** ** headed ** *** ***** direction **** **, ********** with ****** **********. * do ******** ** **** point ********** ******* ***********. Or *****, * ****** say ** *** ***** way: * ***’* **** what ************ **** **** out ** **** ****-*** cameras************. ** ***’* **** a *** ******. *** might **** *** ** a *******, *** ** it*********?

Comments (13)

***** ***** **. ****** from ****** ********* ** well **** ** * new *** ******** ***** for *** ****** ****** Department.

********* *&* *****!

* ** * *** fan ** *** ** Dan *'* ****** ******** interviewing ******** *******. ****** keep ** *** **** work! ; )

**** *** **** ******* of ***** * ***** version ** **** **** thing?

**** ** * ******* look *** ****, *** with *** * ************ the ****** ***** ***********?

***** ***, ***! *********** suggestion ***** ***** ** as *****. *******, ***** all ** ************ *** located ******** **** **, I'm *** **** ** would **** ** **** as ** ***** **** on *****. **'* ********** an **** ** ********, however.

****, **** ** **** the ******** ** *** users *** ***** ***** interviews *********** ** ******* them ** ***** ***** run ******* ** ****. And ** *** *** going ** **** ***** faces *** ******* ***** voices...

* ****'* ******* ** the ********* *****.... **** makes *****.

*** ******** ***** *** distorting ****** **** ***** kind ** *****... ; )

***** *** ********** ******** for **** ********* ****** cameras ***** ** ** get **-****** ***'*, **-****** cameras *** *** **/********* for ******** ** *** to *********** ** **** stream ** * ****** on **** ** ***. You ***** ********** *** redundancy ** *** **** for ***** ******* ** addition ** **** ** servers.

*** **** ******* ** labor *** *** ****** would ***** *********** *******. I **** ************ ****** this *********** ** *** bench

*****'**, *** ****** *** several *** ******** ***, I ***** ******** ****** to **** *** **** for * **** *********** with ***.

** *** **** *** encoders **** *** **** or **** **** ** Dvr's. ** ***, *** you ********* **** *** encoder ******? *********** * resorted ** ***** *** Dvr's ******* ** ********.

******

**** **** ******, *****, and ******* ********...**** ***** are *** **** *** Dahuas.

**** *** **** **** to **** ******** ***** from *** **** ******* the ***? **** ** one ** ** ***** concerns **** *********** ******* topology *** ****. ***** an **** ****?

**, *** * ***** pull ***** **** *** VMS *******, *** *** storage ** **** *********, and ** ******, * just *** *** ***, web, ****** ** ***** interface ** **** **** the *** *******. * working ******** * **** in ** *** ** Shinobi *** **** *-*** (hikvision ***) *** ******** (Amazon) ***'*.

* ******, *** * did *********** ** ***** brand **** ***** ****** VMS, *** *** ***** play **** ****** ***** from *** ***, *** Holis ** ***** ***, and ******* *** *** very ****.

**** ****'* ****** *** license ******, ** ***** is **** ********. *** if *** **** ********** quality ** ***** **** of ********* *********, * would **** *** **** for ******** *** *********** their **** ****** **** a ** ********, ** I ***** *** ***** be *** *** * license *** ******, *** check **** **, **** are ****** **** **** support.

*'* *** ***********.

** ****** ** ***'*, (probably * ** **) and ***** **** **** fine, **** *** **** expensive *** **** * larger *********.

* ***'* *********** ********* a *****, ******* ***** Axis ******** **** **** for **, **** *** not *** *** *** to *** ************** ** our **********.

**** **** **** *** AHD/TVI/CVI **** *** ********?

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