Secret Service Video Surveillance Scandal

The three day thing was probably put in place by order of a President. Instead of saying "I don't want you to save footage for this, this or this camera because it will catch me doing X" he issues an overall three day policy. OR this was policy forty years ago when saving three days of film was pretty good and no one has questioned it since.

It is the Federal Government after all.

We were part of a city surveillance project that recieved money partially from a specific event involving many political candidates including the president. The Secret Service was heavily involved. Every bit of video from the days before, during, and after the event are archived for a minimum of 15 years and trust me it's a lot of data.

Having massive storage isn't a solution for secret service / police. Arab sheikhs (who do care about public security) are using intelligent PSIM software which is able to optimize surveillance and recordings automatically, protect footage and ensure that all events are recorded. Obviously if they still use VHS tape recorders they a need an army of trained (smart) technicians to maintain their system properly. So I believe that it's definitely not storage problem but technology availability problem in US particularly.

Perhaps we need to move the Secret Service from the Justice Department to the State Department. That way they could avail themselves of the now freshly deleted and inactive hard drive on Hillary's former mail server.

I think John read your posts differently than I did Yury Akhmetov. I'm born & raised in US and almost 30years in security industry but maybe I too am ignorant.

I agree with you that our overall security management, and yes, the technology we deploy, in the US especially within the government sector are lacking. I have no doubt that the White House is NOT still using VCR tapes but, it wouldn't surprise me if what they ARE using is 10+year old technology. Our design, procurement & security management processes in the US are fragmented. There is no standardization so we end up with a mish mash of various systems in different gov't agencies at all levels, none of which "talk" to each other, all of which fall under new management periodically which leads to changes in protocols (how long do we keep recordings). Some of these systems are very old (maybe even VCR in some cases) and no money is being allocated to its upkeep.

In the case of the Secret Service issue that started this chain, it would not be the first time an agency of our government tried to hide an embarrassement or release propoganda or half truths to the media designed to move attention off of a "hot" button issue. I don't believe much of what I hear/read anymore because of this now common occurance in the US. Now, we're probably going to spend millions of dollars to investigate & discover; who knew what when, in the "barricade incident" and that investigation will undoubtably uncover that the agency did in fact have more than 3 days of video storage (or at least the technology in place to allow for that, who knows how they programmed) and someone will be investigated for malfeance in the whole thing, someone might lose thier job and then nothing more will come of it. Ultimately it will become a political debate point as opposed to a call to action to improve our nations security and more importantly, clean up the mess in our governments processes. That's just how we roll here...

I gotcha John and I don't disagree that there are some high end systems deployed. What I was pointing out is that in general what Yuri said is true of us especially at the government level. If you look at the case studies you cited most of them are deployed in private industry as opposed to government. The Washington DC thing with CNL is heartening but thats one city in a country of how many cities? And interesting that Washington DC apparently has this technology but Secret Service only has 3 days of storage capability? And the fragmentation, lack of standardization in the government sector IS a huge problem. Always has been and I don't see anything happening legislatively to change that so agencies like the VA (cited for Proximex) will continue to have the mish mash of systems that don't talk to each other. Again - for me, this country has a very long way to go before we can boast of having good security and in the meantime we continue to do silly things like confiscate ladies tweezers in TSA lines and yet allow a guy to land his little copter on the White House lawn and then try to "explain" it away with proganda to the media. Sometimes that works and the public just accepts it and other times it turns into the full blown, expensive investigations I pointed out. In any case, its all BS as far as I'm concerned and the sooner we as a people acknowledge that we're not the "greatest" country on the planet in some respects - the sooner we'll regain the right to that title in all respects.

There's no argument that the technology is available, I just question whether it is being deployed in a coordinated, standardized manner within our government. I am aware of plenty of Genetec, Milestone, Exaq etc, high end sytsems in various government agencies but therein lies the problem. None of those talk to each other and the vast majority of agencies do NOT have those high end systems so you have this fragmentation. Again, you read Yuri's posts differently than I did. I think there may have been a language error/misunderstanding on his part in using the word "availability" in the first post but in the 2nd post he's clearly referring to the fact that available or not, we don't use it to the extent some other countrys do.

I'll agree with that, all of us are speculating based on our personal & professional experiences so I guess we agree to disagree on that point. Thanks for providing the forum John.