OnSSI Acquires VMS Company Seetec

Author: John Honovich, Published on Apr 08, 2015

The dominoes continue to fall.

One of the biggest VMS providers in North America, OnSSI, has bought one of the biggest VMS providers in Europe, Seetec.

In this note, we break down the strengths and weaknesses of this combination, and how it matches up against Axis/Milestone/Canon.

*** ******** ******** ** ****.

*** ** *** ******* *** ********* ** ***** *******, *****,*** ********* ** *** ******* *** ********* ** ******, ******.

** **** ****, ** ***** **** *** ********* *** ********** of **** ***********, *** *** ** ******* ** ******* ****/*********/*****.

[***************]

**********

***** ** * ******* ******* ***** ** *** ****, *** and *** ************* ** *********. ***** **** **** *** ***% owned ** ***** *** **-************ ************* *******.

****** ** * ******* ******* ***** ** ********, ******* *** *** previously ***** ** * ************* *********.

*** *********: *****'* *** ** ***************** ******** ** ***** *** ********** ********* ******** **** *********'* 'recorder ******'. ******'* *** ** ************ (*********** ****** ******** *****).

***** *** *** ********* *** ******* ***** *** ***********.

Strong ***********

************************ **** ***** ****.

  • ***** ** ****** ** *** ******** *** **** ** ******. Seetec ** ****** ** ****** *** *** ** ******** ** the **.
  • ***** *** **** ********* ** ****** *********'* '******** ******'. ****** has ***** *** *** **** *** ********* ****.
  • **** *** ****** ***** ********* ************ (**-** ********* ****). ********, they ****** *** ** **** *** ****** *******.

No '********' ********

******* ******* ***** *** ***** *******, ** **** **** *** create * '********' ********. ** *** ******** ****, **** ****** them ** ******** ** **** ********** ** ***** *** ** the *** ******************* ***** ****. ** *** ***** ****, **** **** *** ***** / eliminate *** ******* / ***** ************ **** **** ******* ********* bundling ******* *** *** ******** (*.*., *** **** **** ***** ********).

Vs **** / ********* / *****

** ******* *** *****'* *********** ** ********* *** ******* *********** of **** ****** ***** ***** *****. **** ***** *** ****** have *********** **** ** *** ********* ******* **** ***** ** building, ** ********* *** * *** ***** *** **** * top ******* ** ****.

***** / ****** ***** *** * ******, **** ******** ********** to *********. ***** *** ************ *** *** ********* ** '***** is **** * ********* ***' *** *** *** *** ********** combine ******** / ***************. ** *** ***** ****, ** ******* that ********* **** ****** ****** **** ***** ** *****-**** **** Canon/Axis, ********** ***** *********.

Challenges *** ***** / ******

*** *** *********** *** *******, *** *** ********* **: **** is **** **** ***?

*** ********** *** **** **** *** * *** ***** **** mostly *********** ********. *** '*****' ** *** ******* ***** ** a '**** *** *****' *** ******** *** **** ****.

*** *** *********** ***** **** ***** / ****** ******* ******* the ******* ****** ** '********' ********* *** *** **** **** VMS ********? **** ****** ** *************** ******** *** **** ***** to ******* ******** **********?

*** ***** / ****** **** ****** **** ***** **** ***** in *** ***** / ***-**** *** **** ***** **** ** solve ****.

Poll - ****

OnSSI *****

**** ** * ********* **** *****:

"***** ***** ** ******** ***** ********** ******** *** *** ******* recorder, **** **.* ***** ******** ** *** *** **** *** additional ******** ***** *******. ***** *** *** *** ******** **** become **** ***** **** **** ** *** ****."

****** *** *********

**** ** ********** **** ******:

"******* *** *********** ****** **** *** ****** ** *** ******** markets ** *** ****: *** ****** ********* ** ****** ****** will ** *** ***** ** *** ***** ******** *** ******* their ******* ******** **** ****. ***********, ** **** ** **** to ***** *** *** ******** ** *** ******** ******** **** our *** ********** *** ****** ********. **** ***** ******* * long-term *********** *** ****** ** **** ** *** ******. ***** gains ****** ** *** **********. ******** ** **** *** ****** company. *** *********** **** *** ****** ** ******* ********* ******* persons ** ****************. **** ***** **’** ***** * *******, *** is * **** ***** *** ** ******* ** ****** ** many *******. ***** ** ***** *** ********** *********, **** ********* are ******** ********* ********* ** ***. ****** ******** ************* **** this *********** – **** **** * ********** *** **** * technological ***** ** ****. **** *** *** ***** ** *** prepared *** *********** *** ************* ** *** *** ******** *** become *** **. * ****** ** **** ****** *********."

Comments (22)

What did OnSSI use for currency in this acquisition? They have not impressed me as a cash-flush company.

Any ideas what Seetec's revenue is/was?

I wonder if this was more of a merger of battered equals like the IQI and Vicon thing.

I asked but OnSSI did not disclose that. As for how they paid for Seetec, I have the same question, especially since Seetec is in the same size range (employee count).

In terms of revenue, I believe both are $10+ million range but I don't know a number that I truly trust.

As for the IQ/Vicon comparison, those two were in much worse shape than OnSSI and Seetec. That said, it does not strike me that neither OnSSI nor Seetec were 'crushing it' recently and with the world changing around them....

We've sold OnSSI for many years and most of my biggest complaints come from the things that are "stuck" with the Milestone engine & OnSSI can't rectify. I hope this merger is a general positive...

What are some of the things you've gotten complaints about?

Mine are the redundant events and other features that are found in both the management application and the admin component. Super confusing, especially to "end user admins".

So did Canon not want to OEM Milestone?

I do not know which way it ran but even if Milestone wanted to continue OEMing to OnSSI, I think OnSSI really benefits from having their 'own' VMS.

OnSSI has slipped from being one of the top VMS lines years ago, to almost "honorable mention" status. They have had a confused marketing process, and most dealers don't understand their licensing programs, which have changed repeatedly. That, coupled with the issue of "are you Milestone or not" was never succesfully addressed by their marketing efforts. Many end users did not view their client software favorably. This merger makes perfect sense and appears to be a good move to resolve these nagging issues, if they can pull it off.

I agree, John, that the lack of a full software/hardware solution has challenges...time will tell if the marketplace is wary of these other new "merged" offerings, and consider the independance of OnSSI/SeeTec a good idea.

I was just talking yesterday with a Milestone affiliate about the same subject - what was OnSSI going to do? Guess we know now.

Would it be wrong for me to gloat? ;)

..,OnSSI should buy one of the other smaller, non-US VMSes and integrate their recorder into whatever higher end functionality exists in Occularis that they actually own...

Leverage their U.S. customer base to roll out a Milestone-free product... In any event, they need to have their own recorder, either by writing their own or buying someone else's. They need to have their own product ready soon so they can parlay all the momentum and credibility they have gotten from embedding Milestone over the years...

When neither company can buy each other they just merge with an appropriately weighted stock swap... 2-12-2015

And perhaps to rub it in? :)

"Where is OnSSI getting the money to buy another VMS? Seriously, I don't imagine OnSSI or any smaller, non-public, independent VMS has the means to buy another company."

But, yes, your prediction turns out to be one hell of a call.

I always wondered why Milestone didn't just cut OnSSI off. I heard that Denmark didn't want to since it was good revenue, but look at how well it worked out for Genetec when they entered the market and essentially cut off Verint & DVtel. The nature of their software would have made it easy to simply "assume" the OnSSI customer base by simply installing their own client software and upgrading the SUP once it expired -- I've seen this work.

Now, it seems they've lost their chance. I would assume that some might still decide to jump ship because of this, but for the most part, it's a victory for OnSSI to finally eliminate their dependence on Milestone. Kudos to Mulli and Gadi for actually getting this far...I thought they'd be done long ago.

Well the conversion isn't done yet but it was definitely a wise move to decrease reliance on Milestone. They still have myriad obstacles to overcome:

  • Conversion of their "recording engine" to whatever SeeTec uses.
  • Any unknown contractual obligations to Milestone.
  • Conversion of legacy sites to the new recording system
  • Retraining of sales staff, support staff, and end users
  • Either making a new viewing client or rebuilding their old to support the new core system.

That assumes they don't utterly abandon the ONSSI platform to entirely switch to SeeTec.

Most likely a reasonable good opportunity for both, that is when both can aline strengths and features across the ocean. Having said that there is quite a difference in markets so it will be interesting to see how it all works out.

One (almost) vms vendor in one market with one (sounds like more real) vms vendor in another market. Sounds fine to me. Owners are in NYC? Who knows what kinds of financial voodoo they can summon so I'm not wondering where the money/credit/stock came from.

As long as they don't announce a 9000 pixel proprietary camera at ISC West...

Neither makes a camera Rodney, so its a safe bet a 9000 pixel camera will not be announced.:)

As long as they don't announce a 9000 pixel proprietary camera at ISC West.

Agreed. This is what a 10000 pixel proprietary camera looks like. It's actually the first digital camera ever, 100x100. Note the edge storage.

Being a seller of OnSSi. I do like the move and the soon to end reliance on Milestone recorders.

I believe OnSSi was moving in the right direction these past few releases, this is real good news.

Smoothness of Conversion to the new recorder "engine" and integration of the two (likely very different) software will be key to the success of this merger.

The interesting question is what does this do to Milestone? Owned by Cannon we know so dollars are not a major issue but remember OnSSI was a major part of the reported Milestone revenue each year. When OnSSI moves to the new recorder things will get very intresting very fast. One would expect they will attempt to move existing customers to the new recorder quickly to save on any money they must pay Milestone for annual software support. This will again create a loss for Milestone.

This is the move OnSSI needed to get back on top, let's see if they can capitalize on it.

K, good points.

Here's something that's weird. IMS/IHS always listed Milestone's own branded VMS revenue as essentially the same as Milestone's total corporate revenue (which should not be if they are selling a non trivial amount to OnSSI). I objected to this a while back but never got any clarity.

To that end, I've always been curious how much OnSSI actually contributes to Milestone's revenue. It may just be that IMS/IHS numbers are sloppy / off...

Don't cry for Milestone :) Next month, they will have Axis to not sell.

Prior to this, I was thinking that Canon / Milestone should buy OnSSI to aggregate the whole channel. I have to imagine this was at least discussed, so I wonder how far apart they were.

I would agee but if we just play with numbers and figure OnSSI is paying milestone 10% that woudl be a sizeable amount of money on thier annual sales. On the Milestone side we have to figure that this is almost free money as there is little to no expense tied to this OME sale so this goes directly to the bottom line. It won't make a big difference on the posted sales but will have an effect on true revenue.

On the recorder side i would expect they would continue to support both but we certainly have to believe they are going to push the SeeTec product and find a way to encourage customer to switch so they can keep all the $$ in house.

I agree Cannon missed an opportunity to bring alot of good, smart people in under the umbrealla. It would have been a great oppurtunity to split the produts and chase both ends of the market with two differnet product. This way you don't have to concerned about gutting your high end product.

Update from OnSSI on their plans:

"OnSSI plans to continue fully supporting Ocularis and the current recorder, with v4.2 being released at the ISC West and additional releases being planned. Plans for the new recorder will become more clear next week at ISC West."

Here is a statement from Seetec:

"Through the acquisition SeeTec will get access to the American markets in two ways: The server component of SeeTec Cayuga will be the basis of new OnSSI products and replace their current supplier [Milestone] over time. Furthermore, we will be able to offer our BVI solution in the Americas together with our new colleagues and global partners. Both steps provide a long-term perspective for SeeTec as well as for Cayuga. OnSSI gains access to our technology. Together we form one global company. The acquisition will not result in changes regarding contact persons or responsibilities. With OnSSI we’ve found a partner, who is a good match and is similar to SeeTec in many aspects. OnSSI is sized and structured similarly, both companies are software companies dedicated to VMS. SeeTec benefits substantially from this transaction – both from a commercial and from a technological point of view. With the new setup we are prepared for convergence and globalization in the VMS industry and become the no. 2 player in this market worldwide."

Login to read this IPVM report.
Why do I need to log in?
IPVM conducts unique testing and research funded by member's payments enabling us to offer the most independent, accurate and in-depth information.

Related Reports

4MP Camera Shootout - Axis, Dahua, DW, Hanwha, Hikvision, Uniview, Vivotek on Sep 24, 2018
4MP usage continues to climb, especially for low cost fixed lens models. To see who was best, we bought and tested seven 4MP models from Axis,...
VMS Export Shootout - Avigilon, Dahua, Exacq, Genetec, Hikvision, Milestone on Sep 13, 2018
When crimes, accidents or problems occur, exporting video from one's video surveillance system is critical to proving incidents. But who does it...
Dahua Low-Cost 4MP Camera Tested (N44CL52) on Sep 10, 2018
4MP use continues to increase, especially in low-cost models, according to integrators in our 2018 Resolution Usage Statistics. We bought Dahua's...
Stanley Security Acquires 3xLogic, Kushner Becomes Product President on Sep 10, 2018
Stanley Security acquired 3xLogic a few months ago. However, the company has still not officially publicly announced it, leading many to wonder...
Directory Of 110+ Video Management Software (VMS) Suppliers on Aug 30, 2018
This directory provides a list of Video Management Software providers to help you see and research what options are available. Listing...
Inputs/Outputs For Video Surveillance Guide on Aug 24, 2018
While many cameras have Input/Output (I/O) ports, few are actually used and most designers do not even consider them. However, a good understanding...
Luxriot VMS Profile on Aug 23, 2018
Luxriot is more popular than Hikvision and Milestone products according to ASMAG which was probably even surprising to Luxriot. The company has...
Synology Surveillance Station VMS Tested on Aug 22, 2018
With so many low-cost NVRs and enterprise VMSes, is there any place in the market for NAS-based VMSes? Recently, IPVM bought a Synology NAS for...
SNMP / Network Monitoring For Surveillance 2018 on Aug 21, 2018
Surveillance systems typically rely on the the VMS to report issues, but this most often just means knowing a camera is "down" with no warning or...
Video Analytics Integration Guide on Aug 16, 2018
Video analytics is hot again (at least conceptually) but integrating video analytics with VMSes can be challenging. This is especially significant...

Most Recent Industry Reports

Genetec Takes Aim At 'Untrustworthy' 'Foreign Government-Owned Vendors' on Sep 24, 2018
Genetec is taking aim at 'untrustworthy' 'foreign government-owned vendors'. This is not a new theme for Genetec as nearly 2 years ago, Genetec...
4MP Camera Shootout - Axis, Dahua, DW, Hanwha, Hikvision, Uniview, Vivotek on Sep 24, 2018
4MP usage continues to climb, especially for low cost fixed lens models. To see who was best, we bought and tested seven 4MP models from Axis,...
Alexa Guard Expands Amazon's Security Offerings, Boosts ADT's Stock on Sep 21, 2018
Amazon is expanding their security offerings yet again, this time with Alexa Guard that delivers security audio analytics and a virtual "Fake...
UTC, Owner of Lenel, Acquires S2 on Sep 20, 2018
UTC now owns two of the biggest access control providers, one of integrator's most hated access control platforms, Lenel, and one of their...
BluePoint Aims To Bring Life-Safety Mind-Set To Police Pull Stations on Sep 20, 2018
Fire alarm pull stations are commonplace but police ones are not. A self-funded startup, BluePoint Alert Solutions is aiming to make police pull...
SIA Plays Dumb On OEMs And Hikua Ban on Sep 20, 2018
OEMs widely pretend to be 'manufacturers', deceiving their customers and putting them at risk for cybersecurity attacks and, soon, violation of US...
Axis Vs. Hikvision IR PTZ Shootout on Sep 20, 2018
Hikvision has their high-end dual-sensor DarkfighterX. Axis has their high-end concealed IR Q6125-LE. Which is better? We bought both and tested...
Avigilon Announces AI-Powered H5 Camera Development on Sep 19, 2018
Avigilon will be showcasing "next-generation AI" at next week's ASIS GSX. In an atypical move, the company is not actually releasing these...
Favorite Request-to-Exit (RTE) Manufacturers 2018 on Sep 19, 2018
Request To Exit devices like motion sensors and lock releasing push-buttons are a part of almost every access install, but who makes the equipment...
25% China Tariffs Finalized For 2019, 10% Start Now, Includes Select Video Surveillance on Sep 18, 2018
A surprise move: In July, when the most recent tariff round was first announced, the tariffs were only scheduled for 10%. However, now, the US...

The world's leading video surveillance information source, IPVM provides the best reporting, testing and training for 10,000+ members globally. Dedicated to independent and objective information, we uniquely refuse any and all advertisements, sponsorship and consulting from manufacturers.

About | FAQ | Contact