I disagree, look to Siemens, Volkswagen, Mercedes, Fanta, and so many others that have come out on top after being truly evil companies. Those companies help kill millions of people.
OK how about this UM#2; We wait 5 - 1,000+ years, communist China crumbles, then becomes a democracy/constitutional republic or the like, divests of their ownership in Hikvision, Hikvision stops using and promoting their products for genocide thereby becoming a law-abiding company in the face of the world they should be able to spin the "very evil company" comment quite easily.
Correct. Also, before anyone brings it up we are not talking about the USA's 250-year history or current use of CCTV in our own cities because neither of those things matters in this discussion. Throw as many strawmen up as you would like.
why do not u stop evil US gov. from killing people in Syria, afghanistan, Iraq?
i am 100% sure that FLIR provided thermal cameras to US army, pls stop and sanction FLIR from killing ppl;
Democracy is not the cure for every country, esp. developing countries; the country and ppl in the country should be rich, well-educated before promoting democracy.
those warmonger companies lauched a lot of wars around the world under the name of democracy, but afterwards, just chaos remained in countries like Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, with millions ppl lost their homes, and into poverty, actually, US gov. is the top enemy of democracy.
What you are doing is called an "appeal to hypocrisy" and it is a logical fallacy. "Hey (ignore my X) and let's talk about Y, Z and any/all the other bad things my opponent does/did."
Distraction and deception do nothing to help your point. My thought is you, and others, resort to these tactics because there is no legitimate argument to justify Hikvision's actions.
If anyone is unaware of just how serious this subject is, watch this very interesting (and disturbing) documentary by Frontline PBS. Below are direct links to a few highlights.
China more important than the OBVIOUS racial issues right now?
Am I in the wrong forum?
Really, IPVM 3 years consistently bitching about hikvision. Cool, mostly agree but can you stay current with our times? not Oh Gee, told ya, see. ohhhh click.
Most of those paid subs here should know Hikvision got some hair up their arse and we should not be investing in the other side or the world.
Let's invest in our homemade AMERICAN MADE products.....
Post that list.... AMERICAN MADE FEVER CAMERAS....how many will we have?
Our we doing our jobs? Do we need to wake up our lazy ass innovators and crucify the sellouts.
#ObviousOutsourcingisKILLINGourFreedom.
-> Challenging ALL SUBSCRIBERS to post your future ideas on how we can our security platform rather than sitting on your Covid ass talking about it.
We now need to eat the dinosaurs instead of tackle and tickle them.
How do you challenge security? When you see some new product, just ask yourself how you would change it, let your brain do the work. Use your imagination, keep it underneath your breath. Creativity will come to you.
Stop posting the same old, overcooked comment the last dinosaur UDer posted in the last comment.
Last note: Ok, CHINA BAD, HIKVISION...OH Huewei guys....yeah...boycott...we spyed on...oh gee look at this firmware...
JUST STOP, we get it. We do not need 20 more future click bait posts, just make the Hikvision report, like you do your access control guides. Stop making a link to just relink I told you so look at me garbage.
Where are the unique minds on IPVM? any of you new hires want to step in? please fire it up! Show us all what you are made of.
Who is the US government buying the cameras from that watch the kids in cages, separated from their parents, on our southern border? Nothing evil about concentration camps if we run them, right?
#12, are you saying you did not post "Does the US government deny their existence?"
We don't have access to post as a user so I can only imagine it was you or someone who has access to your account that did so. Please let us know if we can help.
I'm saying, I have absolutely no recollection at all of making that post - "Does the US government deny their existence?". The words are not something that I have such an opinion about. No one in my house would have used my computer. I thought you may have some metadata on posts, such as IP address / timezone, database record time ... etc, that could show or not it was the same/different user etc. I do use a VPN often . Sometimes I turn VPN on /off etc with out exiting browser. Maybe my vpn switching caused it - I do not know. I work as a software tester , hence my comment about it maybe being a bug. Anyway I got points from it ... so I will move on.
Will you raise your flag, no matter what it stands for and STAND behind it.
Do you really want low key forums to harass and manipulate your ideals?
Are you a sled dog?
Freedom is not free unless fought for, protected, respected, committed into the hearts of man so our souls can rest.
I do not like Bitch men, nor their ideas. Understand? Ask that before you sleep at night.
Grab your balls and look in the mirror at yourself. Repeat the line above.
Do not be the next Dupont scandal SELLOUT sucking on a COVID laced forum of bearded millennials with no TRUTHS of CONCEPT. Only heating up pizza rolls for the next xbox gaming session and hazy IPA selfies.
Challenge/refute the attrition of the low IQ suppression logic of society, take a look from a light year away. Relax.
PH#CK the sweet talk and punch them in the mouth, then see where they stand, if they stand at all.
Witty forum words and assumptions are reduced to the forum buttons below. All the top posters in the list....are TOO SCARED TO HIT THAT REPLY button. They only have 3 options...hit the disagree button, hit the Unhelpful button or...OR!!! say nothing at all.
IPVM....UDers! Time to UNITE! US/THEM? why not? why right here in this digital space? Our battles are more worth while than copy and past camera reviews...over and over. Take a look, only model numbers change...but it all boils down to PROS n CONS...and the COMMENTS. So Why Not?? ----> #PUNCHTHEM ?
My time is limited, do you want another 10 years of drab reviews....photos and basic bail out repetition? Is there any IPVM subscriber voice ready to take down and commit to debate with the unbiased bias that is THIS FORUM?
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Ross Vander Klok
It will be hard for them to spin the "Very evil Company" comment into something decent!
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Undisclosed #1
If anyone is unaware of just how serious this subject is, watch this very interesting (and disturbing) documentary by Frontline PBS. Below are direct links to a few highlights.
12:52 - The point system
14:06 - Reeducation Camps
20:00 - More on reeducation camps
26:50 - 1,400 tech companies involved, cameras everywhere
29:57 - Data collection
34:26 - Leon Technology - The masterminds behind the CCP's surveillance state
36:03 - Undercover video regarding relationship between HikVision and Leon Technology
36:31 - Engineer explains how they are using HikVision technology
38:46 - Integrated Joint Operations Platform
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John Honovich
NEW: FT has verified that Hikvision is on a US government list of China companies aiding the PRC military.
Screencap below shows an excerpt of the list:
Dahua was not on the list.
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Undisclosed Manufacturer #4
Exclusive: Trump administration says Huawei, Hikvision backed by Chinese military - document - Reuters
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Undisclosed #6
Ok, I clicked. NOW WHAT?
China more important than the OBVIOUS racial issues right now?
Am I in the wrong forum?
Really, IPVM 3 years consistently bitching about hikvision. Cool, mostly agree but can you stay current with our times? not Oh Gee, told ya, see. ohhhh click.
Most of those paid subs here should know Hikvision got some hair up their arse and we should not be investing in the other side or the world.
Let's invest in our homemade AMERICAN MADE products.....
Post that list.... AMERICAN MADE FEVER CAMERAS....how many will we have?
Our we doing our jobs? Do we need to wake up our lazy ass innovators and crucify the sellouts.
#ObviousOutsourcingisKILLINGourFreedom.
-> Challenging ALL SUBSCRIBERS to post your future ideas on how we can our security platform rather than sitting on your Covid ass talking about it.
We now need to eat the dinosaurs instead of tackle and tickle them.
How do you challenge security? When you see some new product, just ask yourself how you would change it, let your brain do the work. Use your imagination, keep it underneath your breath. Creativity will come to you.
Stop posting the same old, overcooked comment the last dinosaur UDer posted in the last comment.
Last note: Ok, CHINA BAD, HIKVISION...OH Huewei guys....yeah...boycott...we spyed on...oh gee look at this firmware...
JUST STOP, we get it. We do not need 20 more future click bait posts, just make the Hikvision report, like you do your access control guides. Stop making a link to just relink I told you so look at me garbage.
Where are the unique minds on IPVM? any of you new hires want to step in? please fire it up! Show us all what you are made of.
Kill format bias, I WANT INDIVIDUALS and ACTION.
#nomoreblahblahblahblahblahhhhhhhhhhhhh
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Undisclosed #11
Who is the US government buying the cameras from that watch the kids in cages, separated from their parents, on our southern border? Nothing evil about concentration camps if we run them, right?
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Undisclosed #6
If we go to war.
Will you sit here on IPVM click baiting polls.
Will you raise your flag, no matter what it stands for and STAND behind it.
Do you really want low key forums to harass and manipulate your ideals?
Are you a sled dog?
Freedom is not free unless fought for, protected, respected, committed into the hearts of man so our souls can rest.
I do not like Bitch men, nor their ideas. Understand? Ask that before you sleep at night.
Grab your balls and look in the mirror at yourself. Repeat the line above.
Do not be the next Dupont scandal SELLOUT sucking on a COVID laced forum of bearded millennials with no TRUTHS of CONCEPT. Only heating up pizza rolls for the next xbox gaming session and hazy IPA selfies.
Challenge/refute the attrition of the low IQ suppression logic of society, take a look from a light year away. Relax.
PH#CK the sweet talk and punch them in the mouth, then see where they stand, if they stand at all.
Witty forum words and assumptions are reduced to the forum buttons below. All the top posters in the list....are TOO SCARED TO HIT THAT REPLY button. They only have 3 options...hit the disagree button, hit the Unhelpful button or...OR!!! say nothing at all.
IPVM....UDers! Time to UNITE! US/THEM? why not? why right here in this digital space? Our battles are more worth while than copy and past camera reviews...over and over. Take a look, only model numbers change...but it all boils down to PROS n CONS...and the COMMENTS. So Why Not?? ----> #PUNCHTHEM ?
My time is limited, do you want another 10 years of drab reviews....photos and basic bail out repetition? Is there any IPVM subscriber voice ready to take down and commit to debate with the unbiased bias that is THIS FORUM?
Now you see. What becomes?
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Tom Galvin
Pentagon Names 20 Chinese Firms It Says Are Military-Controlled:
Interesting article: Bloomberg - Are you a robot?
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John Honovich
Update, Navarro, in a new opinion piece for The Hill said:
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