Honeywell 30 Series Cameras Tested Vs Dahua and Hikvision

By Derek Ward, Published Dec 11, 2019, 10:56am EST (Research)

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Comments (15)

The 30 Series is manufactured by Vivotek, immediately obvious when opening the camera's web interface, as the layout, controls, and most terminology are identical to Vivotek's own cameras.

Is Honeywell still pretending like they do some significant changes to the firmware on their cameras, or have they mostly given up on that tactic now?

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Is Honeywell still pretending like they do some significant changes to the firmware on their cameras

drastic changes were made to the OUI ;)

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We've reached out to Honeywell for a response, and their response was:

We decline at this time to comment on any current or future partnerships.

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On the one hand, I can sympathize with Honeywell's marketing team here. Acknowledging such things are awkward, at best. And I give them credit for even responding.

On the other hand, it's obviously and proven true. It silly, at best, to decline comment on an obvious matter. The business model of trying to hide relabelled products...

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I agree. It sends the message that they can't sell on the value of their brand and support alone and have to try and make false (or vague) claims about what differentiates the product. Why not just say "we found it more cost effective to OEM products in this line to give our partners easy access to a broad portfolio under a single brand and channel management structure"? Or, something along those lines.

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"we found it more cost effective to OEM products in this line to give our partners easy access to a broad portfolio under a single brand and channel management structure"?

who would believe adding a layer of distribution makes things cheaper?

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I think he means that it was cheaper for them to OEM it than to actually develop it themselves.

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There are legitimate scenarios where economies of scale, and handling 1st/2nd tier support directly can net you a significant discount relative to a similar/same product sold under the manufacturers own brand. Look at companies that release public financials, and you will see they tend to spend a lot on "sales and marketing" expenses, the cost of having a field team, marketing, etc., adds up quickly. Honeywell should have the buying power and channel structure to find an OEM/ODM product that they can bring to the market cost-competitively (even with all their overhead and bloat). This would of course require them to actually want to "hunt", vs. the "farming" mode they are really in.

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Honeywell staff, using six sigma , can’t go to the bathroom without filling out reams of paper, much less get timely sign offs by the layers of management

when was the last time you saw any new security technology from them, oh sorry we now have a graphics keypad that goes on a ancient Vista panel!

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On the one hand, I can sympathize with Honeywell's marketing team here. Acknowledging such things are awkward, at best. And I give them credit for even responding.

I will say that Honeywell probably has their hands tied legally with what they can or cannot comment on partnership wise. It's pretty common for most vendor agreements especially OEM/ODM to restrict Honeywell making a comment on the partnerships and or Honeywell legal 10 pay grades higher than the lowly marketers tying their hands for comment. Honeywell has always been upfront with us as dealer partners with the fact that they outsource a large portion of their camera manufacturing to other companies and it was obvious from the first screenshot of the 30 series cameras that they were rebranded Vivotek. I mean I won't say we're at the point of muckraking but these seem to be a lot of the same articles over and over again about UTC/Honeywell/(insert major manufacturer here) without original content. For what it's worth I've had Avigilon reps tell me they make their own NVRs when they very clearly are Dell boxes.

The reality is the surveillance and security market has become so commoditized no one wants to invest in manufacturing the edge camera devices and everyone wants to make their profit on being a transactional agent for a slight markup with a large profit center in selling software licenses and SSA's.

John, rather than just going for the low hanging fruit I would enjoy reading an article about the business economics of producing cameras in North America or Europe and how that is even feasible to be competitive in the major segments of the market at this point because the way I see it everyone is practically doing the same thing as Honeywell/UTC/Indigovision/Etc. etc. at this point spare a few companies that are running up against the ceiling of their growth and are trying to make up for it with an "end to end approach."

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I will say that Honeywell probably has their hands tied legally with what they can or cannot comment on partnership wise.

Let me assure you that Vivotek is not legally tying Honeywell's hands. This would be like me intimidating Conor McGregor.

I mean I won't say we're at the point of muckraking but these seem to be a lot of the same articles over and over again about UTC/Honeywell/(insert major manufacturer here) without original content.

This is a detailed technical test - i.e., original content that no one else does nor would do.

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The NDAA-compliant Honeywell 30 series has the potential to be an alternative to banned products...

hopefully some better alternatives come along soon.

paying twice the price for less camera means a continued value proposition for Hikua, unfortunately.

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It's not a bad camera, honestly. Also, it isn't twice the price for less camera when it comes to Dahua pro, the Dahua images are trash; and you should be pitching to a customer or client that you are putting something in their home or business that isn't Hik. It's a start to OEM it from Vivotek and get their hand out of the cookie jar of Hik. I will commend them for any steps moving away from Dahua and Hik.

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I don't have any issues with Dahua images, better than Hikvision and not one failure in a year.

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My first try at a Dahua mid grade was monumentally bad. I assume defective and it's definitely going back, but just one example issue that's probably a deal breaker - is there no option to set a post event trigger record time on the Dahuas? (Ideally, there is an "area is off limits" option such that once a person or vehicle enters a target zone, that person or vehicle is recorded for the entire time they remain in view of the cam including if they leave the zone, but that's a different question.)

This question brings up a feature set suggestion for IPVM. I don't see many details on various key firmware features in the tests, and those could influence buying decisions.

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