Genetec Cloud Tested

Author: Ethan Ace, Published on Aug 12, 2015

Not since Axis public and prolonged agony with AVHS, has a major manufacturer bet as heavily as Genetec is now doing on the cloud.

Genetec started with Stratocast, which took a similar small camera count approach as Axis AVHS, with similar poor adoption (their most famous customer here).

Genetec is not giving up. Indeed, they are taking an aggressive 'cloud first' strategy more deeply integrating cloud services with its flagship Security Center platform adding Cloud Archiving, Cloud Cameras, and AutoVu Plate Reader Cloud in the past year as well as offering free camera channels and storage to attract users.

In this report, we test:

  • Stratocast - the stand-alone small camera count cloud offering
  • Cloud Cameras - federating Stratocast into Security Center
  • Cloud Archiving - extended cloud archiving for Security Center
  • Cloud LPR - processing LPR in the cloud, integrated within Security Center

*** ***** **** ****** *** ************** **** ****, *** * ***** ************ *** ** ******* ** ******* ** now ***** ** *** *****.

******* ******* **** **********, ***** **** * ******* ***** ****** count ******** ** **** ****, **** ******* **** ******** (***** **** ****** ******** ****).

******* ** *** ****** **. ******, **** *** ****** ** aggressive '***** *****' ******** **** ****** *********** ***** ******** **** its ******** ******** ************** *********** *********, ***** *******, ********* ***** ****** ***** ** *** **** **** ** **** ** ************ ****** ******** *** ********* ******* *****.

** **** ******, ** ****:

  • ********** - *** *****-***** ***** ****** ***** ***** ********
  • ***** ******* - ********** ********** **** ******** ******
  • ***** ********* - ******** ***** ********* *** ******** ******
  • ***** *** - ********** *** ** *** *****, ********** ****** Security ******

[***************]

Exec *******

****** ********** '**********' *** **** *********** ***********, *** *********** ** ***** services, **** ****** ** ***** *******, ********* *** *** ** their *** / **** ** ******** *** ********. ** ******* the ***** **** **** ************* ******* *** **** ***** ***** ***** that *** **** ********* ** ***** ******** ** ******* ***** systems.

Key ******** 

**** ***** ********** *** *** ******** *** **** ** *******'* cloud ********, **** **** ****** *****:

**********

********** *** *********** *********** ******** ** ******** ****** *** ***** full ***** *****:

  • **** **** ******* *** *********, ** ***** *************.
  • ********, ******, *** ****** ** ******* ** * ****** ****** with ** *****-****** *******.
  • ******** ****** ****** *** *** *** *****, ***** *** ** (and ***** ***) **** ****** ************, ********* **** ******* *****.
  • ** ************ ** ***** ******* **** ** ****** *******, *********, etc.

***********, ********** ****** * ********** ******* ** **** ****** ********* 3, ****** **** **** ******* *****, *** * ******* **** ** ~$6/camera (**. ****).

******** ****** ***** ******* (********** **********)

********** ********** ******* ** ******** ****** *********** ********** **** ** the *********** ********* *****.

******* *** ***** ******* *** ******, ****** ******** ******, ****, and ********, **** ***** ******* ********* ******* ** **-**** *******, **** a ****** ******** ** **** **** (~*-* *******) ** **** viewing *** ********.

***** ********

***** ******** ********** ****** ********** **** **-**** ***** ********, **** *** lack ** ********** *** ****** ******** ** **** **** *** only ********** **********. *******, ***** ****** ****** ** ****** ********* speeds **** ***** ***** ********, ** ***** ** ** ***** to ******** ***** ***** *** ** *** ***** ****'* ******** connection.

****** ***** ****** *****

*******, ***** ****** ***** ********** ****** **** ******** ****** *** add-on ******, ******* ****** **** **** ****** ***** ********, **** read ****** ********* *** ********* ** ~*-* *******, **** ***** a ****** **** **** *******'* **** *** ****** ***** ******. 

*******, *** ***** **** ** ********** ******* (******* ** models **** ****, *********, *** ****) *** *** ******* ***** (<15 *** *********) *** ** ****** *** **** *****.

*******

**** ** ***** ******** ** ** *******:

  • **********:**** ****** **** $*/** (**** ******* ****) ** $**/** (***** HD, ** **** *******) *** ******,********* ** ****.
  • ***** *******: ********** ******* *** ** ********* ** ** ********** ******, *** Security ****** ********** ** ******** (** * ************ ************ ** * *******).
  • ***** ********:*** **** ** ***** ******** ** $**/** *** **, *.*., 5TB = $***/** ****.
  • ***** ****** *****: $**/** *** ******

**** ******** **** ****

**** **** *** ******* ***** **** * ***** *** **** access ** **** **** ***** ******* *** ********. ***** ******* for **** ******* ****** *** ******* **** **** ***** ******* / *******

Genetec ********** 

*******'* ********** ***** ******** **** *** ********* **********:

  • *** *** **** ********* ** **** *** ********* ** *** system, ********* **** *** ******** ***** *******, ******, *** ***** user **********/***********.
  • *** ********** ********* ** **** *** ****** *** ************* ******* *** local *******, ********* *****, ******** ****** ********** *****, *** ****** monitoring.

** ****** *** ****** ** **** ** ***** ********** *****:


******* *****

*** "****" ******* ** *** *** **** ********* (*********** ** the ****** ****) ** **** *** **** *** ******** ******* and ***** ******. **** **** *** "***********" ***, *********** ** *** magnifying ***** **** ******** * **** ** *********, *** ****** functions, ******* ** **** **** *** **'*.

*******, ***** ** ** *****-****** ****** ** ******. ********* * ****** to ******** **** ** * *****-****** **** ******** *** **** to * ****** ****** ******. ***** **** ****** *** ****** each ****** ************, ***** *** ** ******* ** ******** ******* are ******** ** ** ********.

** ****** ***** ********* ** **** *****:


****** *******

******* **** ** ***** ** *** ********** ********* ** **********, and ******* ********** ** ***** *** ****** ****** *** *** (owner ************** ***) ** **** ******. **** *****, ********** **** up *** **********, * ******* **** ***** *-* ******* *** camera, **** ***** ****** * ********* ****, **********, *** **** the ******.

***** ** ** *** ** *** ******** ******* ** **** or ****** *** ***** ******* *** ******* ** ** *****, so ********-****** ******** *** ** * ****-********* *******.

**** ******* ** ***** ** **** *****:


**** **** *** ****** ****** ** *** *** ******* ** the ****** *** *** ** ****** ********* *** * ******* ** the ****** ****** ** ** *** *** *********. *******, *** OAK ** **** ******** ** *** ***** ************* ******** **** each ****** *** *** ** ****** **** ** ****** *** during ************. ***** *** ******* **** ** ********** ******* ** retrieve *** *** *** ***** *******.

Cloud *******/********** **********

********** ******* *** ** ********* ** ******* ******** ****** ** simply ******** * ********** **** *** ******** *** ************* ********* server ****, ****, *** ********. 

***** ******* ****** ** ********* **** ***** *******, **** * slight ******** ** **** **** (*-* ******* **. *-*) *** only ******* **********. ***** ****** ***** *** ** **** ** Stratocast ** ******** ******* ***** **'* ********* ******** ****.

** **** ***** ** **** ***** ******* ******** *** ********** Federation *** ******* ***** ****** *****:


Cloud ********

***** ******** ******** * ***** ****** ** *** ******** ****** server *** **** *** *** ****** **** ******** **** *** main ** ***********. ***** **** ****** ****, ***** *** ** the ******* *** ** ***** ********, **** ***** ***** **** this ******* ******** ************* ** *** *****.

**** **** ***** ** ** *** ** ******** ********* ** Cloud ******* ******* *** ** *** ****** ******** ***** ***********. In *** *****, ****** ********* *** ********* *-* **/*. ******* explained **** **** **** *** ********* ***** **** **** ** bandwidth ********** *** ** *** ** ***** ** * ****** release. 

***** ***** ******* ********* ** ********* ********, **** ***** ******** and ****** *** **** *** ** ***** ********, **** **** thumbnails *** *** ******** **** ***** ***** ****** ** *** cloud, ****** ***** *****. ***** **** ****, ************* ** *********** similar.


Plate ****** *****

***** ****** ***** ********** **** ******** ****** *** ** ***-** plugin. **** *********, ***** ********* * ********* ***** **** *** ****** as *** *** ******, **** * ****** ****** ********** **** for ********. **** *********

***** *** ********** ** ********* ***** ** ********* ********* (**** a ******* ******* * ******** *****) ** ******* */* (**** a ****** ********* **** ** ** **** ** ********* ** a *******) ** *** ** **********. ***** ****** ***** **** includes **** ** *** ********* ***** ** *******'* ****** ****** releases, **** ** ***** ** ****** *** ******* ****. *******, direction ** ****** *** ***** ********** *** *** ********.

*** **** ******* * ***** ***** ******* *** *** **** event ********* ** ******** ****** *** ~*-* *******, ******* ** or ******** ****** **** * ****-***** ****** ***** ******.


** ***** ** ****** ******* ****** *** ** ***** ** 15 *** ** ***** ***** ** **** ***** **** *******'* recommended ********. ***** ***** *** **, **, *** ** *** properly **** ****** ** ****** ***% ** *****, ** ****. Accuracy ** ** ***, ****** *** ** *** **************, *** solid ** ****, ****** ***** ***** ** ****** ****** **********. 

Versions ****

***** *** *** ******** ******** **** ** **** ****:

  • ******* ******** ******: *.* *** (*.*.****.**)
  • ***** ****** *****: *.*.***.*
  • ***** ********: *.*.****.** 

Comments (10)

In reviews of "cloud" based security systems such as this, shouldn't the subject of cloud security be addressed alongside other technical considerations? A recent HP sponsored study suggests so. In other words, can it be hacked thus making client data available to cybercriminals?

In other words, can it be hacked thus making client data available to cybercriminals?

In short: maybe. The issue with making claims about cybersecurity one way or another is that so much hacking involves finding exploits, which by nature are unknown. Like Heartbleed, which left many, many systems vulnerable. No one knew that vulnerability was there until it became a problem, and literally millions of users were impacted, since so many things were developed with OpenSSL.

Genetec uses Microsoft's Azure cloud services platform for Stratocast. Microsoft does routine penetration testing on these services and have a lot at stake keeping them secure. And according to Genetec, they're using 256-bit SSL encryption. We confirmed this with Wireshark traces. After the connection is made, you don't see any traffic other than TLS, similar to this trace (from our Remote Network Access for Video Surveillance report):

So there are a lot of measures already taken to keep things secure. But does that mean it can't be hacked? No.

If anyone has suggestions for things specific to these issues we can test, please comment.

The knee-jerk reaction to cloud-based systems says they must be less secure than data under ones own purview simply because you don’t know what security measures are taking place at the cloud-provider.

This is a lot like saying I would rather put my money in a safe in my home office with my own alarm system on my doors/windows than put it in the bank—because I don’t control the bank’s security. And if I don’t control it then I can’t trust it, right?

Reality is most banks have better (physical) security than most homes. And I believe that holds true for most professionally run cloud-based service as well.

Cloud based systems present a slightly different type of risk in that everybody knows where the front door to your data is located (it’s at your-cloud-provider.com). But alas the sense of satisfaction you get from ‘security through obscurity’ when you store your data in your own wiring closet is often short lived if you suffer a deliberate and targeted attack.

As Ethan points out the large IaaS/PaaS providers like Google, AWS, Azure provide a lot of support to keep the infrastructure secure. In our case, on AWS, in addition to the underlying security of AWS’s infrastructure they also offer a tremendous amount of turn-key platform security that we can utilize ourselves to provide a much more secure environment with less effort than would be required if we constructed our own infrastructure.

All that being said, Richard’s right that cloud-security is another attribute of any cloud-based product that needs to be evaluated. I just think in many situations you’ll find that the system can be more secure as a side effect of being cloud based than systems that are not.

This is a lot like saying I would rather put my money in a safe in my home office with my own alarm system on my doors/windows than put it in the bank—because I don’t control the bank’s security.

Disagree.

Your money is either in your home safe OR the bank safe.

Cloud security does not obviate the need for on-site security, the rule of weakest link dominates here.

Let's say, instead of money, you have the keys to your Ferrari in your home safe.

Would you really argue that putting duplicate set of keys in the bank's safe would make your car more secure?

Would you really argue that putting duplicate set of keys in the bank's safe would make your car more secure?

In my analogy I'm saying putting a duplicate set of keys in the bank's safe would not necessarily make it any less secure than only keeping a set in my home safe. I'm arguing against the idea that just because there's a cloud based component to the system now it's less secure than a VMS that is protected by only the customer's IT infrastructure.

I don't dissagree that the weakest link dominates. But when IPVM reviews a VMS people do not immediately ask "but how secure is it?" They only tend to do so when IPVM reviews a cloud based service.

I just think in many situations you’ll find that the system can be more secure as a side effect of being cloud based than systems that are not.

Guess I should have more clearly framed my question. Cloud computing security is a partnership between the provider (MS, Amazon et.al.) and the user (their clients). I’ve no doubt that providers invest heavily in their half of the equation and of course their clients and their clients end users (you and I) reap the shared benefits of this investment. However, what about the security provided by the cloud clients? Is it as robust and as well thought out and implemented? At the end of the day our end user data (yours, mine and others) are held and secured not by the cloud provider who secures the framework within which that data are held, but by the cloud client who is the first line of defense in regard to protecting that data and it’s that data we should be most concerned about. So, my original question did not pertain to the provider but rather to the client.

Hi Richard, I guess I'm not following what you mean by "client."

In the case of Genetec's service, is Genetec the client (of MS) to which you refer?

If that's true then you're asking, how do you trust Genetec's implementation of security upon MS's infrastructure?

Steve, let me start by making two points, one is that by use of names I am not pointing fingers or making accusations and two, I’m certainly not aware of the internal designs of the Genetec cloud products but can make an education guess as to the architecture.

By way of the present example, I see the following as being the likely scenario. There are likely 4 actors responsible for the security of the installation: the cloud “provider” who in this example is Microsoft, their “client” who in this example is Genetec, what I refer to as the “customer gateway” (an application at the customer site that collects such things as event notifications, equipment status, inputs from cameras and whatnot, and pushes it all to the cloud) who in this example is Genetec and finally the “customer”, Genetics customer who in this example is IPVM.

So, in the cloud itself there 2 players, the provider MS and the client Genetect. They share security responsibility within the domain of the cloud. MS is responsible for such aspects as infrastructure, cross-pollination, environment et.al. Genetec is responsible for just about everything else such as for example; protect and securely manage credentials, protecting against impersonation attacks, protecting against identify fraud, protecting customer video data, protecting customer operational and site data, encryption of sensitive data, providing for secure access and a long list of other activities. In essence, in this example Genetec assumes responsibility for ALL aspects of security in the cloud that would, in a typical non-cloud installation, be shared in part by the customers IT department and in part by Genetec.

So, as you can see, in this example Genetec, and in general the “client” in every cloud installation, takes on a HUGE responsibility role in the overall security of the installation. Hence the reason for my initial query.

Sorry Steve, forgot to answer your specific question. Yes, in this example my question is in regard to Genetec's security measures but, in general I'd ask the same question of any cloud client installation. My reason is simple, use of cloud technology does not of itself insure security but rather, in practice it tends to complicate it, and where VMS is concerned that complexity is compounded.

Login to read this IPVM report.
Why do I need to log in?
IPVM conducts unique testing and research funded by member's payments enabling us to offer the most independent, accurate and in-depth information.

Related Reports

Directory of Video Surveillance Startups on Jul 18, 2018
This directory provides a list of video surveillance startups to help you see and research what companies are new or not yet broadly known entity...
Axis ~$100 Camera Tested on Jul 17, 2018
Axis has released their lowest cost camera ever, the Companion Eye Mini L, setting their sights on a market dominated by Hikvision and Dahua. Can...
Last Chance - July 2018 IP Networking Course on Jul 12, 2018
Registration ends today, Thursday. Register now. This is the only networking course designed specifically for video surveillance...
4 Most Difficult Camera Installs (Statistics) on Jul 12, 2018
Heavy housings, cumbersome brackets, heavy ladders required, and tricky field of view requirements will cause difficulties no matter the camera...
UK VSaaS Startup Ocucon on Jul 03, 2018
Decreasing exposure to fraudulent slip-and-fall insurance claims and lawsuits is one of the oldest selling points of video surveillance for retail....
GDPR For Access Control Guide on Jul 03, 2018
Electronic access control is common in businesses plus organizations are increasingly considering biometrics for access control. With GDPR coming...
OpenEye Apex VMS Tested on Jun 26, 2018
OpenEye is a US company, founded nearly 20 years ago. In the past few years, OpenEye has been one of a few VMS providers that have pivoted to being...
Axis Guardian - Cloud VMS And Alarm Monitoring - Released on Jun 19, 2018
Axis has struggled to deliver a cloud-based managed service video platform. Video service providers have utilized AVHS for over a decade, and have...
China Public Video Surveillance Guide: From Skynet to Sharp Eyes on Jun 14, 2018
China is expanding its video surveillance network to achieve “100%” nationwide coverage by 2020, including facial recognition capabilities and a...
Powerline Networking For Video Surveillance Advocated By Comtrend on Jun 08, 2018
Powerline networking, using existing electrical wiring, has been around for many years. Indeed, over the years, some video surveillance providers...

Most Recent Industry Reports

AI Startup Anyvision Raises $28 Million Led By Bosch on Jul 20, 2018
Anyvision is the most ambitious heavy-spending video surveillance startup in many years. And, now, the startup has raised $28 million led by...
Fail: Dahua "Didn't Check The Lux Levels but It Was Dark" on Jul 20, 2018
Dahua UK has been promoting their camera quality on LinkedIn: I, and others, asked what the lux level of the scene was. (background: Lux Rating...
Free 100+ Manufacturer-Customized Camera Calculator Released on Jul 19, 2018
Now, any manufacturer has a customized IPVM Camera Calculator, free. The goal is to make it easier for companies to help their customers better...
Improved Security And Surveillance Bidding - 2018 MasterFormat Divisions Examined) on Jul 19, 2018
Navigating the world of system specifications and bidding work can be complex and confusing, but a standard format exists, and understanding it...
Last Chance - Security Sales Course Summer 2018 on Jul 19, 2018
Today is the last day to register. Based on member's interest, IPVM is offering a security sales course this summer. Register Now - IPVM Security...
Directory of Video Surveillance Startups on Jul 18, 2018
This directory provides a list of video surveillance startups to help you see and research what companies are new or not yet broadly known entity...
Ladder Lockdown and Ladder Levelizer Tested on Jul 18, 2018
Ladders are a daily necessity for surveillance and security installers, but working on an unstable surface can be extremely dangerous. In addition...
FST Fails on Jul 17, 2018
FST was one of the hottest startups of the decade, selected as the best new product at ISC West 2011 and backed with tens of millions in...
Axis ~$100 Camera Tested on Jul 17, 2018
Axis has released their lowest cost camera ever, the Companion Eye Mini L, setting their sights on a market dominated by Hikvision and Dahua. Can...
Amazon Ring Alarm System Tested on Jul 16, 2018
Amazon Ring is going to hurt traditional dealers, and especially ADT, new IPVM test results of Ring's Alarm system underscore. IPVM found that...

The world's leading video surveillance information source, IPVM provides the best reporting, testing and training for 10,000+ members globally. Dedicated to independent and objective information, we uniquely refuse any and all advertisements, sponsorship and consulting from manufacturers.

About | FAQ | Contact