FLIR Cancelling Contract With X.Labs / Feevr

By John Honovich, Published May 20, 2020, 07:39am EDT (Info+)

While X.Labs announced the signing of a new agreement with FLIR on May 12, 2020, FLIR said, in response, on May 18, 2020, that they had cancelled a previous contract and are in the process of cancelling a second contract.

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Fever Detection Controversy

The use of fever, or in the case of X.Labs, "feevr" detectors are growing along with increasing controversy. For example, the Washington Post declared last week "Thermal scanners are the latest technology being deployed to detect the coronavirus. But they don’t really work."

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Homemade masks arguably don't really work either, but we're all wearing them. Fever detection, home made masks, wiping Amazon packages is all part of a human paradigm shift and it's very important. We all need to be more careful than usual against this invisible enemy that is COVID-19, and all of these solutions raise this important awareness regardless of the arguable effectiveness.

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The CDC just updated guidance on the relative risk of surface contact to low.

How Coronavirus Spreads | CDC

I am not in favor of feel good gestures only actions that have a concrete impact on prevention/treatment.

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all of these solutions raise this important awareness regardless of the arguable effectiveness.

Two general thoughts:

1. To the extent a solution causes people to be less vigilant in other areas, it poses a risk, i.e., if people believe that fevers are going to get caught, they may be less likely to maintain social distance, wash hands, etc.

2. We should strive to deploy products that are as effective as possible, e.g., if 1 'fever camera' captures 75% of fevers and another captures just 25% we should try to understand those differences and decide the value of using ones that capture more vs fewer.

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I’m not sure it makes sense even with 100% accuracy given that up to 80% of COVID carriers are asymptomatic. Would you invest 10’s of thousands in an Intrusion system with a 20% detection rate?

Personally I think even the best fever detection solutions are likely to do more damage than good by giving a false sense of security as per your first point. Nice cash cow for the industry though.

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got a link to 80% asymptomatic? CDC said today it’s 35% asymptomatic, up from 25% in April.

Also it’s important this is an average and is different in different demographics. So the EBT detection in some groups might higher or lower than this average.

It’s important we all agree on this stat, it’s at the heart of this discussion regardless of your view on thermal screening.

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It was actually WHO that stated 80% have Asymptomatic or Mild symptoms. Presumably there will also be carriers that are pre-symptomatic. I don’t think you will ever get to an accurate figure of what % would present without a fever, but the point is it is significant (and I suspect a majority). So the danger is that organisations are (mis-)led to believe that they can solve this with a few cameras.

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link to the WHO info please?

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Thanks Ben.

So to contextualise your info from that article in full.

“For COVID-19, data to date suggest that 80% of infections are mild or asymptomatic, 15% are severe infection, requiring oxygen and 5% are critical infections”

80% is everyone that didn’t require require hospitalisation and oxygen. This is not to say they were all asymptomatic, we absolutely know that’s not the case. Most do get very high fevers, stay home and recover (considered mild cases). CDCs guidelines are the best we have to go on and on average for now stands at 65% symptomatic.

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I think we can agree it is high enough to justify giving every member of staff a free $20 Thermometer and asking them to stay at home if they have a fever or other symptoms ;-)

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Ha yes, agreed :)

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The percentage estimates are all ovee the map. This article collects numerous different percentage estimate references COVID-19: What proportion are asymptomatic? - CEBM from 5% up to the 80% number from WHO. Seems to me that nobody really knows at this point which may mean we will never know for sure.

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If one camera detects 75% and the other only 25%. We should combine both of them into a single product that detects 100%Thats how marketing works.

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Agreed, always strive for excellence.

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what if nothing we do matters when it comes to mitigating the spread of COVID-19?

this is an interesting read from a mathematician's perspective

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How does he explain these graphs? It appears the degree of mitigation measures do have a significant impact. Sweden - the poster child for no lockdown - has had no decline in new cases between day 30 and day 75 and new cases are now running at 25x the level of South Korea, a far bigger country.

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I believe Sweden is relying on Herd Immunity... So the real question should be, what is the percentage of deaths of the infected. Sweden's plan is to quarantine the 'vulnerable' while the 'non-vulnerable' people would keep on living their lives.

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i am not saying his position is correct....

i am simply hoping that we consider all positions to get the best understanding of how to handle this crisis.

and FTR, I like math vs pretty much anything else when it comes to actionable evidence - as long as it is presented fairly and uniformly.

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Using Feevr part of a precheck before you get to the airport.

Charles Marino talks Feevr & Feevr Precheck on CBS from Feevr on Vimeo.

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No they are not. He tries to give this impression by stating that TSA will be looking to use technologies like Feevr. But are TSA really going to use a sensor that the OEM has clearly stated is not suitable...dream on Charlie boy.

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