China Dahua To Replace Their Software With US Pepper

By John Honovich and John Scanlan, Published Aug 22, 2019, 01:03pm EDT (Info+)

What does a US government banned company do to improve its security positioning in the US?

Well, Dahua is unveiling a novel solution, partnering with US-based 'Pepper'.

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The press release is misleading but after speaking with both Dahua and Pepper, inside this note, we examine what the approach is, its key benefits and its major limitations.

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Comments (17)

This is a smart move for both Dahua and Pepper. Dahua needs a solution quickly and Pepper may be it. Other Chinese camera makers are likely to consider similar plans.

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if when they do move into the commercial space, you could put together a SALTO and Pepper security solution.

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The Over-the-Air updates will be called, "Push It!"

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That will be one well seasoned solution.

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if you say it fast enough it works!

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First they move to Mexico, then partner with Pepper. They really spicing things up!

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Sean’s really on a roll. Spicy Tuna Crisp maybe?

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From a cyber security level the chipsets from China can still contain embedded systems that can be used for packet relay and transmission to China. How will US consumers and the government be convinced that all components are safe considering the complexity of these devices?

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I reached out to Pepper and will update here when I receive the response.

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Out if curiosity; is there a single camera or camera manufacturer that doesn't contain or use at least some components made in China, if not the whole chipset?

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Brian - thanks for the comment. Below is the response from Pepper:

It’s a good question. Cyber security in general is evolving and nothing can ever be guaranteed, devices are no different. From our experience, general cyber security protections are lacking on most IoT devices sold into the market today. We bring best practices and additional rigor to fill the gap both through direct methods of blocking/addressing vulnerabilities (using a hardened firmware, erasing flash memory before loading, etc.) and also elevated cyber security processes and controls to proactively monitor devices and identify threats through things like: lab testing of random new production samples (silicon through network/communication), long-term monitoring of communications in a lab environment, penetration tests, etc..

In summary, your readers comment/concern is valid, unfortunately there is no single easy answer. It is a combination of processes and procedures in place to both eliminate and proactively detect or react to various threat vectors.

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From my understanding Avigilon is wholly manufactured and made in Texas. Also, Vicon features cameras made in the USA.

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Avigilon has a distribution facility in Texas, which is the primary distribution point for the USA. However, much of their products are made in Canada, which is where their other North American distribution point is on the continent. So it is North American manufacturered, but not all in the USA. And their servers are Oem-ed from someone (I think it is Dell), much like many other manufacturers.

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Another dog and pony show,it sounds to me like a political promise, sounds good, looks like it may work but never really lives up to the hype and a dismal failure in the end.

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Who will provide firmware updates to the camera? The hardware can still phone home no? Will they submit the hardware design to third party to verify that it does not include hidden code?

FW upgrades means the code can be changed anytime it suits the government.

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The hardware can still phone home no?

Theoretically, the point is that it would 'phone home' to Pepper, not Dahua.

Related, I changed the title form 'replaces' to 'to replace' to better emphasize that this is the plan but that it is not live yet.

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Despite being 9 months later there is no progress to speak of. Dahua has not responded to a request for an update on this and Pepper responded with:

After checking internally, we do not have updates on the IMOU devices to share at this time.

We requested updates from both companies in light of the recent Dahua Critical Cloud Vulnerabilites.

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