Axis Panoramic M3007 Test

Geutebruck USA • IPVMU Certified

Great review! So are the streams ONVIF or RTSP? You mention PTZ controls- so if it's onvif, does that mean you should be able to do IP based pan, tilt and zooming in the camera view using VMS ONVIF compliant PTZ controls?

Ethan Ace

In reply to Luis Carmona

The camera isn't ONVIF conformant, so no PTZ controls. If you use the standard Axis RTSP URL (rtsp://<IP ADDRESS>), you get the warped overview. I don't know if they publish the URL to the other streams. I haven't seen it, if they do.

Luis Carmona

Geutebruck USA • IPVMU Certified

In reply to Ethan Ace

"Dewarping is performed camera side, with VMS integration via multistreaming and standard PTZ controls."

So if generic access (via RTSP) only does the warped view with no PTZ controls, did the statement above mean to say it's the Axis VMS that you can get dewarped views, multistreaming and PTZ controls?

Ethan Ace

In reply to Luis Carmona

No, direct integration to third-party VMSs is via multistreaming, as well.

Luis Carmona

Geutebruck USA • IPVMU Certified

In reply to Ethan Ace

So does that mean yes, you have to use Axis' VMS to do dewarping and PTZ? I apologize for pressing for specifics, but when you say "Dewarping is performed camera side, with VMS integration via multistreaming and standard PTZ controls", I'm going to assume this could mean with most any VMS, via some common protocal like ONVIF or something, unless you specifically state the VMS that is needed to do this.

For example, the Mobotix Q22 we have does camera side dewarping, and any VMS that can connect via HTTP stream can get that dewarped view, like with our Geutebruck system.

Ethan Ace

In reply to Luis Carmona

I actually just realized that I addressed this in the last screencast up there. You can see the streams added to Exacq via multistreaming. It works with third-party VMSs, just not via ONVIF or generic RTSP. It's via direct drivers.

If you add it to Genetec, it adds 8 different "cameras" for each of the views. Video Insight does it via their "shared IP" setup, similar to adding multiple channels of an encoder. I haven't added it to Milestone, so I can't tell you how that one works specifically, but I'm assuming it's quite similar.

Luis Carmona

Geutebruck USA • IPVMU Certified

Thanks!

KV Swami

We are using this camera with Genetec Security Center 5.2 SR3 and it works great. As Ethan mentioned Genetec adds 8 Camera views under one camera connection / license. I have attached a picture of a 180 general view we have kept with 4 other views. In Genetec you can digitally zoom in and move around within each view. A dewarping license is not needed as it is natively support in GSC 5.2.

AXIS M3007-PV

Tyler Graham

Great article.

I have one of these in Milestone, and if the 360 lens is enabled with the Panamoph support ebabled, it allows dewarping of archived footage of the overview stream.

John Honovich

IPVM

In reply to Tyler Graham

Tyler, thanks for sharing! So it uses the Immervision driver? I am just a little confused since it's a non Immervision camera. Does it dewarp accurately?

Tyler Graham

In reply to John Honovich

I did a quick couple of screen captures; it seems pretty rudimentary but seems to work. (Ignore that the camera is outside)

John Honovich

IPVM

In reply to Tyler Graham

Tyler, very helpful! Thanks for sharing!

Ethan Ace

In reply to Tyler Graham

Just yesterday actually I noticed that it was dewarping in the current version of Video Insight, but I didn't have time to investigate and see if that was supposed to be happening or if it was some setting that I checked.

Interestingly, the ImmerVision SDK shouldn't recognize that image as panomorph to allow dewarping, since it's round and not elliptical. But it appears to at least in Milestone.

Nathan Wheeler

Ethan, out of curiosity have you plugged it into HD Witness? Our new client-side GPU-based universal dewarping algorithm should work if the camera can send its raw warped stream only. We haven't connected it to this camera but if it's got good lensing to image alignment and it is Onvif Profile S it should work out of the box in theory. Would be fun to test it in practice.

The Sentry360 FullSight series and the Vivotek FE8172 worked out of the box with no integration required and all features of our client-side dewarping tool worked fine. I would love to know if Axis does as well.

R Gleason

We had some struggles with this camera and OnSSI. Via Administrator you could control the camera however you like- similar to immervision. However through base it was only one of the 8 given views. When contacting both OnSSI and Axis about this, OnSSI kept insisting they were waiting on the dewarping sdk from Axis. Turns out that Axis declined to provide any further development on the camera software wise due to patent infringement. OnSSI stated the same. So unless someone ponies up licensing to the patent holder, how the camera works now is how it will always be. We were specifically looking for the ability to pan, tilt, and zoom around the dewarped image. This was only available via the Adminstrator log in and was claimed to be a software glitch by OnSSI.

John Honovich

IPVM

"waiting on the dewarping sdk from Axis"

Correct me if I am wrong, but my understanding is that Axis is not providing any dewarping SDK to anyone. It appears that any VMS that is dewarping client side is doing so with their own software implementation (like Milestone, NO and VI). Yes/no?

R Gleason

In reply to John Honovich

Well John, this is going back to March when the camera came out, and yes that's exactly what I was told by OnSSI. Axis hemmed and hawed for 2 months before they finally officially stated they were not supplying any SDK. OnSSI confirmed this was due to patents already in place.

John Honovich

IPVM

Axis was clear to us from day 1 of the announcement that they would not be supporting client side dewarping. I am not sure who in Axis 'hemmed and hawed' to you but what Axis told us last October when this was announced was camera side only.

I am actually surprised that any VMS is supporting it client side. Evidently, OnSSI is going to have to implement it themselves just like their competitors are.

R Gleason

Stupid me. I guess I should read all their press releases. Nevertheless, we were led down this road by the VMS, because their software had client side dewarping, and pinned it on Axis to officially support it. Wasted a great deal of emails to and from Axis before they finally stated what you just posted. Wonder why it took so long. Would you like me to send you the emails? Be glad to.

John Honovich

IPVM

What you should have done is read the original IPVM review, where we stated this explicitly right up top :)

Sure, send me the emails.

R Gleason

In reply to John Honovich

You know what John, I did read this... which is hardly a review- the camera hadn't even been released yet. This entire thread of conversation between OnSSI, Axis, and us was driven by the fact that OnSSI had client side dewarping via Administrator log in, which they claimed to be a software glitch. So when the client requested the interface that we had clearly experienced via Administrator, we applied pressure to the VMS company to provide the interface via both Administrator and base. They were unable to deliver, and I believe removed the ability to have client side dewarping via Administrator.

John Honovich

IPVM