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LTS Reaction To Hikvision US Gov Ban?

UI
Undisclosed Integrator #1
•Aug 09, 2018

[IPVM Note: Aggregates thread from Dahua Ban Response: NOT Chinese Government Owned and adds more information from outreach to LTS.]

#1:

I'm already hearing rumors that LTS is positioning itself to "take over" Hik. LTS is not state owned like Hik, a far as I know. If the branding changes and they prove they are no longer a Hik OEM, this could side step the ban.

#2 Response:

What exactly does "take over" mean? Like do you mean they wont be ordering Hikvision anymore? What do you mean if branding changes? They are already branded "LTS" and they often claim that they are the manufacturer. The only way they could side step the Ban is if they dont order products manufactured by Hikvision or Dahua.

#1 Response to #2:

Sean I don't really know the full specifics but from what I gather is that the manufacturing facilities would be "sold" to LTS from Hik. This would separate the government ownership to a privately held company. As far a branding I take it as Hik would become LTS.

#3:

Even if they put the factories under LTS ownership it still would not subvert the ban. Dahua is not government owned and is still subject... so Hik and LTS playing hide the hack is just going to lead to an international game of a whack a mole.

LTS is trying to lie to everyone about their own branded line. Their rep Michael (young sounding kid with a fairly thick accent) straight up told me their cameras are not made by Hikvision and they own the brand...? I told him he was lieing because their cams are OEMed by Hikvision and they just slap their logo on them, and that the only thing they manufacture are dishonest schemes.

Odds are the rumors you heard were a new line (lie?) manufactured at the LTS “factory”

NOTICE: This comment was moved from an existing discussion: Dahua Ban Response: NOT Chinese Government Owned

JH
John Honovich
•Aug 09, 2018
IPVM

We spoke with LTS NY and NJ offices, explaining that we were a Hikvision dealer buying from ADI, whose boss asked us to look into alternatives because of the ban.

Both LTS branches said they would not be impacted by the ban, which is patently untrue since they are relabelling Hikvision products. Whether or not the sales reps we spoke with were ignorant or knowingly misleading us is, obviously, not clear.

LTS salespeople have a history of being willfully 'ignorant' of such things as the integrator above (#3) notes.

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JH
Jay Hobdy
•Aug 10, 2018
IPVMU Certified

I don't fault the reps, I feel pretty confident they do not know.

 

I have interviewed multiple techs who have significant experience with products like Exacq, and Axis. Then I ask about Dahua or Hik, and they have no idea who either company is. They just aren't keeping up with the industry.

 

From what I hear about LTS, they are just young college students banging away on the phones. They probably aren't doing much to learn about the industry.

U
Undisclosed #2
•Aug 10, 2018
IPVMU Certified
In reply to Jay Hobdy

I have interviewed multiple techs who have significant experience with products like Exacq, and Axis. Then I ask about Dahua or Hik, and they have no idea who either company is.

If a tech has not even heard of Hik, I’d say it’s a good bet they haven’t really worked in this industry for several years.

Either way, the best use for their résumé is a 3-pointer into the bin :)

JH
John Honovich
•Aug 10, 2018
IPVM
In reply to Jay Hobdy

I don't fault the reps either. I fault management. A mistake made by an isolated, individual employee may be the employee's fault. However, the same mistake, made over and over by various employees reflects bad management.

LTS management knows the reality. They are either (A) hiding it from their employees or (B) instructing their employees to lie or (C) combination of both (i.e., hiding and making the rest deny it, unless it is tactically beneficial). 

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UD
Undisclosed Distributor #3
•Aug 28, 2018
In reply to Jay Hobdy

LTS managers told these young kids that when customers ask something about relationships between Hik, just tell customers that our products are manufactured from US. These kids dare not to say anything because they need LTS to sponsor their visa. 

UD
Undisclosed Distributor #3
•Aug 28, 2018

90% of LTS products are from Hikvision. Hik has an OEM line for LTS and Hunt. They just changed the model name and a bit of case look. If Hik is banned from the USA, LTS should be banned as well. Same loophole!

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