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Jeff Zwirn: IPVM, If You Had Appeared At Any Reputable, Qualified And Professional Organizational Event Venue, Your Outrageous Belief System Would Demonstrate How Much You Do Not Know
John:
I expected your non-responsive reply. You simply deflect.
I asked you for specifics regarding your expertise and if you had ever been qualified as an expert in anything. Your choose not to respond for obvious reasons. The same holds true as to my offer to debate you from behind the IPVM curtain, and instead; at any U.S. based ASIS International Conference; so you would not have the luxury to continue to pontificate from Hawaii. You choose not to respond to this offer as well for the same obvious reasons.
My point of commenting on your venue is that it is one thing to spew out your unsupported statements over the IPVM network from behind your computer in Hawaii, compared to having to be challenged in real time with qualified experts.
Each expert report which I prepare is based on recognized methodologies. Having said that. and despite your inexperience, both state and federal courts across the country generally do an excellent job in vetting experts of all disciplines. Concurrently, opposing counsel is also duty bound to aggressively cross examine the expert and each of his/her opinions. To suggest otherwise as you have done is simply erroneous.
As to my publications, I have not published any books on video surveillance to the public. On the other hand, my expert video surveillance curriculum is only available to law enforcement.
Given that, for more than 18 years, I have created advanced curriculum and taught local and federal law enforcement agencies about video surveillance systems and the joint terrorism task force as well, in my appointed position as a Designated Expert Instructor for the NYPD
Coming full circle, your inflammatory comments are done by design, and similarly your constantly expanding discussions are much in the same manner.
Against the foregoing backdrop and glaringly, you believe that ASIS, NFPA, SIA, SSI, SDM, CSAA, ESA, NICET, AFAA, and all of the courts on both the State and Federal Levels across the United States are not qualified to either be video surveillance experts or qualify experts like myself, in video surveillance systems.
Realistically, if you had appeared at any reputable, qualified and professional organizational event venue, as elaborated to previously, your outrageous belief system would demonstrate how much you do not know; by experts who do know; and perform their work in an expert and diligent fashion each and everyday.
People in the know, recognize where you make your money from, and that no matter how much you defy logic, just like many of your undisclosed members do, your commentary is pernicious.
As you are well aware, I gave you an invitation and opportunity to prove that your competency, or lack thereof; could easily be tested and quantified following a scientific methodology. This is especially significant given your rhetoric about everyone else.
It is axiomatic why you opted to remain completely silent.
Respectfully submitted,
Jeffrey D. Zwirn, CPP, CFPS, CFE, FACFEI, CHS-IV, SET, CCI, FASI&T, MBAT, President
NOTICE: This comment was moved from an existing discussion: Security Sales And Integration (SSI) Runs A Very Professional Organization, And That Counts
...so you would not have the luxury to continue to pontificate from Hawaii.
...stating your position from Hawaii without ever being cross examined or vetted by a court is quite comfortable.
...as to what you so boldly posited about and against, as it relates to ASIS International and its members, from Hawaii.
...spew out your unsupported statements over the IPVM network from behind your computer in Hawaii...
I think you’re really nailing him on this Hawaiin stuff...
Jeff,
I created a new topic for this, since the previous one was over 100 comments and this was beyond the previous SSI topic.
I gave you an invitation and opportunity to prove that your competency, or lack thereof; could easily be tested and quantified following a scientific methodology
I welcome you to expose me and IPVM right now, anytime. Why wait for a trade show? If you have found serious flaws in our video surveillance expertise, show it immediately. Don't attack Hawaii, attack our video surveillance errors.
my expert video surveillance curriculum is only available to law enforcement
Why don't you post even a 1-page excerpt and let's see how it stands up? I am willing to be criticized by anyone, anytime. Are you?
"On the other hand, my expert video surveillance curriculum is only available to law enforcement."
Can we see a sample of this curriculum?
John:
Victory is your word.
I have stated my position and stand behind it.
Lets move on and focus on better protecting the persons and companies who critically need our resources.
...spew out your unsupported statements over the IPVM network from behind your computer in Hawaii...
I found him!
Apparently he got a good deal on the old Dr. Evil lair...
Jeff, not to side track, but I usually finish with "kind regards", not "case closed" with communication. It's not closed, because its your opinion, not fact.
People in the know, recognize where you make your money from
It appears that he makes his money by providing an un-biased forum supported by subscribers that want un-biased information. Prior to IPVM, I had no where to go for candid un-biased observations, opinions, tests, and commentaries other then my immediate coworkers.
This is why I will continue my symbiotic support through paid subscription.
Also, Who are these "people in the know"?.....

Realistically, if you had appeared at any reputable, qualified and professional organizational event venue, as elaborated to previously, your outrageous belief system would demonstrate how much you do not know; by experts who do know; and perform their work in an expert and diligent fashion each and everyday.
Having attended these events for years, those who put them together should know that I and many others simply bypass the joke they call "education". The majority of the time, with a few notable exceptions, those "expert appearances" are self-serving chest-beating and self-promotion. Just ask Kruglak how many books he sells.
anyone else want to post this to https://www.reddit.com/r/iamverysmart/ ?
I would go with Johns technical bravado any day over NICET or any other 'expert' that calls himself and expert. John has opinions like everyone else BUT he has a hell of a lot more sources to get information from than 99% of us Integrator or 'experts'.
wow another really boring thread please John make it stop I can't continue to be sucked into this awful debate after I spend the day outside in the snow using my "expert knowledge'" installing cameras
Woah. Here’s a personal testimony to IPVMs value.
When I was a teenager I worked for my dads company installing CCTV, Intrusion systems and testing fire alarms as an apprentice with a journeyman. I learned a lot during those years. When I was in college and had made the decision to move back home and join the family business I started taking as many classes on CCTV as I could. I looked at a ton of curriculums. I wouldn’t consider myself an “expert” but I would consider myself a professional.
From personal experiance I have found most classes to be totally useless and I’ve spend thousands of dollars sitting for hours in useless state mandated classes. IPVM was one of the least expensive classes I took and helped myself and our company grow tremendously over the last 5 years. We went from installing Bosch analog cameras to Hikvsion NVRs (stopped selling 2 years ago before it was cool not to sell Hikvision) to the more sophisticated integrated systems we install today.
I’m not sure what caused this thread but I can stand by the business that John and his team have built. They’ve helped us and probably countless other businesses. The information, news and equipment tests they have provided our industry are of far more importance than almost anything else out there available to the average integrator.

IPVMU Certified | 02/07/18 09:47pm
Just out of curiosity, can someone please help me with what MBAT means?
Is that a certification?
I have found a link to his website which list all those certifications in his name, however google isn't helping much about MBAT.
CPP, CFPS, CFE, FACFEI, CHS-IV, SET, CCI, FASI&T, MBAT, President
Apparently John continues to be non-responsive. Can someone check on him or call an ambulance?
John:
Once again, you have continually failed and/or refused to be responsive to my previous requests.
If there is any part of the NICET Video Certification program that you believe is deficient than you should have been involved in the creation of the curriculum, and/or you should have notified NICET to correct same.
Respectfully submitted,
Jeffrey Zwirn, President
I know Jeff thinks John is not qualified, what is the purpose of repeatedly mentioning Hawaii?
Jeff is Hawaii somehow unqualified also? Looking to see your reasoning behind Hawaii.
Jeff,
So, what is so unique and proprietary about the law enforcement video surveillance curriculum and technology that you work with?
It's not likely that you are working with or training any technology, theory or curriculum not available to anyone in the industry already.
I may not have all the credentials Jeff has but I’m IPVM certified for networking, access and video! Is he? If not how can he say much until he goes through the course?
Also, my NICET video certification was so outdated. I almost demanded a refund.
To every post,
Zwirn, Zwirn, Zwirn
There is a reply,
Zwirn, Zwirn, Zwirn
And a title for every purpose, under heaven.
Given that, for more than 18 years, I have created advanced curriculum and taught local and federal law enforcement agencies about video surveillance systems and the joint terrorism task force as well, in my appointed position as a Designated Expert Instructor for the NYPD
Jeff - what specific "video surveillance systems" (manufacturer/product/version) would you say you are most familiar with?
Given your presentation of creating "advanced curriculum" in regards to video surveillance, I would expect you can answer a few moderately technical questions about most favored manufacturers? Surely there is overlap between products integrators currently prefer and your depth of knowledge on video surveillance?
To be clear, I would not expect you to know which button in Milestone you click to add a new camera, but I would expect you to have an opinion on how using an MJPEG CODEC vs. an H.264 CODEC could impact various components of a video surveillance system. Particularly as it relates to factors like evidence quality of the video, susceptibility to tampering, etc.
Can you please provide your feedback on specific video surveillance systems (or underlying concepts like ONVIF, RTSP, CODECs, Storage architectures) you are most familiar with and comfortable discussing?
Why am I getting flashbacks of my previous marriage.......
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This is very informative and entertaining. I've sold and personally install thousands of cameras, access control doors, etc. through the years and don't hold 1 certification or acronym to put after my name of UI#(?). I don't even consider myself that intelligent or well spoken but I can sell/install systems and have made a lot of people happy and satisfied with our work in a variety of verticals. It would be nice to have some credentials from these "authorities" on the subject so I could hold educated conversations about it but I really don't care to do either. I'm sure I would fail any of the tests without reading prep books designed around the training class designed around the exam.
Thank you for your comments. I believe in Intergrators who do their very best for each and everyone of their customers.
I can't believe this is a question no one has thought to ask: Does ASIS actually hold debates?
Jeff, with all due respect, adding a list of every accredited test you have taken means nothing.
I'm not a mechanical engineer, but I still have major engineering firms call me weekly to help design systems that from their experience, I have more knowledge of how to make it work. My past employer (largest in the industry world wide) had an issue in that one item didn't work well at high altitudes. I designed a fix and was shot down my boss, because, as he said, there is no way some sales guy is smarter than our internal staff... Well guess what, I am, without the degree.
With regard to IPVM, I took the camera course many years ago when I first entered the industry. I learned from it, and couldn't care less what others think. I don't add stuff to my business card, as I sell me, which frankly is more important than the product I sell.
Asking John to a debate seems a bit childish, as he runs a business and shows are time consuming for all of us. The fact that he is allowing you to bash him on his own company website speaks volumes, as he could easily close and delete this thread.
For me, I keep the popcorn handy, as this has been one of the more entertaining threads I have read in years.
Dear Jeff,
What's really behind your anger? You aren't being specific? You are saying a lot and telling us nothing.
One thing is for sure. You have a lot of free time on your hands.