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Why Does China Dominate The CCTV Market ?

JG
Julian Garzez
May 26, 2020

Hi Everyone,

I'm new to CCTV and it seems China dominates the security camera business. Is it because of patents or are their cameras just that superior ? Are there any non-China competitors that provde comparable products ? When I shop on popular camera brands I sometimes find they are reselling China brand cameras. It seems Hikvision and Dahua are very popular here in the U.S.

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UM
Undisclosed Manufacturer #1
May 26, 2020

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JG
Julian Garzez
May 26, 2020

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UI
Undisclosed Integrator #5
May 26, 2020

* ****** ** *-* *** ******** on *. ***'* ***** ***** ** what **** *** **, ***** **** own ********** *** **** **** ******* to ****** ** ***'* ****.

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UM
Undisclosed Manufacturer #1
May 26, 2020

** *** ******** **'* ******* *** do *** ********** *** ************ ******* Hikvision *** *** ******* ********** *** the ******* ** ***** ********* **** revenue **** *** ******* ********** *** then **** *** ******* **** **** revenue ** (****) ************ ****** ***** products ******* *********** *** *** *** propped ** ** * **********.

** ** ********** *****- ***, ** an ********** *** ***** ******** * few ******** (*********? *****'* ****** ******...) of ******* * **** ** ********* cameras, *** ***** ******* **** **** the ******* ********** *** **** *** more **** * ******* ** **** a ****. **** ************ ********* ******** of ******** ** ******* ** ****** that ** **** **** ** ******* in * **** *********** (******, **, the **** ** ****, ***...).

*** **** *********** ** *** **** markets ** *** ****** * **** game, ** **? ******* ***** ***** manufacturer ** ***** **** * ****** of *** ***** (*********, *****, *********, R&D, *******, *******, ****... ) **** is *************** ***** ********** ********** ******* *****.

******* ** *** **** * **** producer ** *** ******, ********* ******* another ****** *** **** * ******* gallons ** **** ** *** ********** at **% **** **** ****** *****. And **** ********** ****'* **** ** pay *** *** ****. ** *** farm. ** *** ***** ** *** property. ** *** ** *** ****** of *** **** *****...*** **** ********** then **** ***** ******* ** *** for ***** *********, *****, *********, ********, etc...

* ********** ***** ***** *** ****. It *** *******, **********, ******** *** executed ** *** ******* ********** *** Hikvision. ** ********** *** ***** ***** do ******* ***** ** ******* *** Chinese ********* *** *** **** ****: this *** **** ****** **** * government **** ********** ********* *** ***** prices.

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UI
Undisclosed Integrator #5
May 26, 2020

*'** ***** **** *** ******** *****, everytime * ******** ******** ** ** a *** ****, * *** ********* or *'* ***. * *** ********* see ***** **** ******** *** **** likely *** **** ** **** *** the ****, ******** ***. * *** see *** ********** **** ********.

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**** ** *** ****, ******** ** not ****. ****** ******* *** ********* is ******* *********.

UM
Undisclosed Manufacturer #1
May 26, 2020

* *** ********* *** ***** **** disagree *** **** ****** *** **** to **** *** *** ****, ******** you

****'* ****** ***** ** **** ******** is **** * **** **** **** of ******** ** ******* ** ***** because ** *****'* *** ** ***** business. ***** *** ****** ** ********* like **** **** **** *** ***** by ****** ***** (********* ******* *** priced) ******** *** ** ***** **** done ******* *** ** ** ** 30% *** ****, *** *** **** 15 *****.

********** ** ****, * **** * clear ****** **** ** **** ** identity *** ***** *** ******** ***** on *** ***** **** ******** ** the **** *** *** ********** ****** it **. **** ** * ********* of ****, *** **** ******.

*** *** **** ** *****, ******* manufacturers **** ***** *** **** ***** to *****, ********* ********** *** ******* but *** **** *** **** *** loaded. ** ********* ***** ** ******* our *** ******** *** * ****** of **** *** ** ***** ***** have **** ******** ****, ** ** the *****, **** *** ******* ***** supply *** */* ** *** *****.

*** **** ***** **** * *** that **** ***** ****** *** ******* field *** *** **** *********** ******* Hikua. * **** ***** ** * wave ** ****-***** ********* **** ** forcing **** *** *********** ** **-******** their ********** ********* (******* ** *** NDAA *** *** **** *** ******* anti-Chinese *****-** ********)

UI
Undisclosed Integrator #5
May 27, 2020

******* *** ******* ** ***** **** farm *** ***** **** ***** ****, work *** ********* **** **** *** benefited ******* *** **? **** ****.

UM
Undisclosed Manufacturer #1
May 27, 2020

* ***** ***, ** *** * serious ******** ** ****. *** **** onto *** ****** **** $*** ******* when ******** *** ******* ******* $***-$*** each. ** ***, ** **** **** (no ***-****, ** **********, ** ***), ever ****** *** * $*** ******.

**** ************* ******** **** ** $***, Hik **** **** ** $***, **** down ** $***. **** ****** *** traditional ****** ************* *********** (****? ****? Pelco? *********? *******? ******?). **** ** those *** ******** *** *** ** two ******: **** ********** ********** ** the *****-****-*** (**** *** ********) ** they ***’* **** *****. ** **** a ******** **** ** **** ** the ***** *********** ** ** *** because, *************, ** ******* ** ** sell **** ** ***** ***** ** the **** *********.

** *** ****** **** ** **** the **** *** ******* *** ** work *** ******* **** ******* ***** to ******* ** ***-*****. ** ***** this ***, *** ** ** ** farmhands ***** **** **** ****** ****. So ** **** ***, * **** the **** *** ****** ** **** from **** ** * *** **** it ***** ******* ***** **** *** use ** ** **** ******.

UI
Undisclosed Integrator #5
May 27, 2020

**......***'** ******** **** *** ***** **** is ***** *** **** ****** ***** and ********* *** **?

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U
Undisclosed #3
May 27, 2020
IPVMU Certified

** *** *******, **********, ******** *** executed ** *** ******* ********** *** Hikvision. ** ********** *** ***** ***** do ******* ***** ** ******* *** Chinese ********* *** *** **** ****: this *** **** ****** **** * government **** ********** ********* *** ***** prices.

** ***** *** ******* ** * loss *** **+ ***** ** ********** force ******** *** *** ******** *** *cctv* ******?

*** ***** *******, ****** ********* *** wages, ********** ********** ******* *********, *** "outsourcing" ***** *+* ** ****, ******* with ***** **** ************* ********* *** financed **** * ******* ** ******* from ******** *****, ******* **** ** produce * ******* ******* **** *** U.S. *****.

UI
Undisclosed Integrator #9
Jun 01, 2020

"*** *** ****** *** **, ** not ********* ****."

****** *** **** ** *********, *****.

UM
Undisclosed Manufacturer #2
May 26, 2020

** ****** **** *********, ***** *** dominated *** **** *** *****, **** like *** ***** ********. *** ** buy * ******** ** ***** ** TV ** *** ***** ******** *********** that ** *** ************ ** *****. Walk ******* *******, *** *** **** see *** **** *****. *** ******** thinks **** **** **** *** ******** product ******** ******* **** **** ********** the **** ** *** *******/*********.

***** *** **** ************, *******, ***** have ****** *** ******* ******** *** low ****, *** ** ***** ************* in ************, ***** ** ***/***** ******, as **** ** ** ******, ****, Alibaba, ***.

***** *** **** ***** ************. *** this ******* ****:**** ************ ** ****** (*** **********) Dahua *** *********

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JH
John Honovich
May 26, 2020
IPVM

*** *** *** ****** *** ****** against ******* ***********. ***** ** *** 2010s, ****** *** **** **** ** Jinping **** ** *****, ***** **** it **** **** ********* *** ***-***** video ************ ************* ** **** ****** of *****, *.*.,*****: ******* ***** ************ ** ******** Risk. *** ***/*** ** **** **** the **** ***-***** ***** ************ *************, even *** *****'* *******-*** ********, *** effectively ****** ***. ***** ** * small ****** ** ******* ******** ***** non-China ******** *** **'* ************* *******.

********, *****'* * ******* ***** ************ manufacturers ***** (*****) **** ****** ** China ******** *** $*+ ******* ***, while *** ***-***** ***** ************ ************ sales ****** ** ***** *** * tiny ******** ** ****, ** **** a *** ******* ******* ** ****.

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U
Undisclosed #3
May 26, 2020
IPVMU Certified

*** *** *** ****** *** ****** against ******* ***********.

** *** *.*. *** ******* *** market ******* ******* ***********?

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UM
Undisclosed Manufacturer #4
May 26, 2020

**, *** * **** **** *****.

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UI
Undisclosed Integrator #5
May 26, 2020

*** *** *** ****** *** ***** to *** *******. ** *****, ************* placing *** ******* ******** ************ ** foreign **** *** ******** ** *** or ********** "**********." * ***'* ***** for *** *** ** ***** ***** practices, *** *** ***** *********. * don't ***** *** ***** ******* ****** for ****** ** ***** ***** *** dominance *** ***** ******.

****** *** *** ***** ****** *********** or ******* ******** ******* ***** ***** has ** ***** *** **** ** the *** *** ***** **** *********.

***** ******, *** *** ***** ***** land *** ******** * **** ** people. **** **** ******* **** ******** and ***** **** *** ******** **** to **** ***** *** ******* *** land **** *****. **** ***** **** yet ** ******* *****.

******** ******* ** ***** ********* *** unfair ********* ** **** ** ******** stones ** * ***** *****. ******** fingers ** ******* ******* *** ***** racist ** **** ******** **** **** blah ** **** ******** ****** ** a ***** *****.

*** **** *** ******* *****, ****** blaming ***** *********.

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UM
Undisclosed Manufacturer #4
May 26, 2020

*** *** ******* **** ****** ********* risk ***** ** **** **? ****** like ** ** ****** **** ***** compared ** ***. ******!

UI
Undisclosed Integrator #5
May 27, 2020

** **** **** *** **** ****

UI
Undisclosed Integrator #5
May 27, 2020

***** **** ******** **** ** ******* to *** *** ******** **** * said?

U
Undisclosed #6
May 27, 2020

** ******** *** ***** ** *** framing ** **** ******** ******** - or ********, ***-********:

"***** **** *** ********** *** **** they ******* ** ****** ** ***'* stop."

**** ** ******.

*** *** ****:

***** **** ****** *********** *** ******** someone ** ****/****/*** ********.

***** *** *** *** '********' *** Unibomber ** **** *** **** ******

***** **** ******* *** *** **** winning *** ** ***** ******...

** **** **** *** ** * legitimate ********.

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UI
Undisclosed Integrator #5
May 27, 2020

***** *****. ****** ****.

UM
Undisclosed Manufacturer #4
May 27, 2020

**** ******* * **** **** ********* first ******* ****** ****** **** *** moment.

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IG
Israel Gogol
May 26, 2020

* ********, ******* ****** **** **** against ***** ** ***** *** (*.*. how ******** **** **** *** ** auto ******** ** *** ******** **** electronics **** *** ******** ** ************* and *** ****** *** ** ****** is ** ******* *******)

****** * ***** ******** ****** ****** hikua * *** ***** ** ******* them ********* ** *****, *** ***** success ** **** ******* * **** specific ****** *****: ****** ********** * "good ******" ******* *** * ***** price, *** **** ** ********* *** incumbents **** *** **** ** ******* successfully.

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JH
John Honovich
May 26, 2020
IPVM

******* ****** **** **** ******* ***** 30 ***** ***

* ***'* **** *** ******** ****** from *** ***** ** * ****** respond ** ****. *******, ** *** have ** ********* ****** ***** *** Axis *** **** ** ******** ****** of ***** ***** **** *'* ** happy ** **** *** ******** **.

UI
Undisclosed Integrator #5
May 26, 2020

**** *** ** ****** ********** *** hikua. * ****** *** **** ***'*. Oh......they **** **** ***** ** ** somehow.

*****, *** *****'* *****'* ***** **** have **** ** ****, **'* **** country's *****.

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IG
Israel Gogol
May 27, 2020

**** ****** ** **** *** ********** props *****, **** ** **** **** if ** **** *** *** *** of *** *******, **** ***** ***** face *** ******** ** *****. **** moved **** * ******* **** ****** local ************* ** ************ ********, ***** incumbents *** **** ********* ******** ** the ******* (******* *********, ******* *************, fast ******** **** *&* *** *********** development), ******* ***** **** ******* *** RMA *** **** * *** ********* of ***** *** ***** *** **** the *******. ** *** ** *** that, *** ***** *********** **** * fraction ** *** ****** *** ******** compared ** * ******* ******* (**** if **** *** ***** ***** ** China, *** ****** ** ***** ** support ******** ********* ** ******) *** CN ********* ******** ***** ** **** market *****, ***** **** *** ******* with **** ***** ****** ******* (*** is ~ ** % * *******). Axis ******'* **** *** *** ***.

* **** ** ******** ** *** fact **** **** **** ****'* ****** well ** ***** ***** ********* **** strong ***** ************* ** ************ ******** like ***** ** ****** *** **** Japan (****** *'* *** **** *** are ****** ** ** ***** *** canon *********** )

(1)
JH
John Honovich
May 27, 2020
IPVM

***** **** *** ******* **** **** lower ****** ******* (*** ** ~ 20 % * *******)

**, ******** *** **** ***** ******* vs ***, ***** ** *** **** thing **** ***** ***** ** *** are ****** ** **** *** **** for **** ***** "**** *****". *********'* reported ***** ******* (**** ******** *** **** **** ****) ** ~**%:

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*** *** ******** ** **** ******* but ***** ** ** ***** ** being ** *** ***** ** *********'* gross *******, ** ****** ******* ********* about **** ******* ********.

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Ryan Karpilo
May 26, 2020

*** ******** **, *** **** ** what **** ********* **** ** *******-*********** and ** ****** ********* *********? *** now ** **** *** ** **** in ***** **** **********?

(3)
UI
Undisclosed Integrator #5
May 26, 2020

*** ********* ** ********* ** *** it, **** ****** **** **...******* ******* country *** *********, ** *****, **** blah ****. ** *** ***** *** USA *** ** **'* ***** ******* theft, *********, ****** ***?

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U
Undisclosed #3
May 26, 2020
IPVMU Certified

** *** ***** *** *** *** to **'* ***** ******* *****, *********, murder ***?

*** **** ********** ** '*****' **** the ******* *** *********.

**** *** * ****** ****** :)

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Ryan Karpilo
May 26, 2020

*** *** ***** ***************. *** ** *** ******** ********* things **** *** *********, ***********, ***** man ** *** ****? *** ********?

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JH
John Honovich
May 26, 2020
IPVM

****, ****** ***'* *** ** ******* remarks. ********, #* ** *** ***** to ** ********* ** **** *** will ****** **** ** ** *********** his *** *****.

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Ryan Karpilo
May 26, 2020

* ********* ** ****** ***** ***.

UI
Undisclosed Integrator #5
May 27, 2020

*** * *** ******** ***** *** US *** ********* ********?

*** *** ******** *** ***** **** the ** *** **** ***** **********?

U
Undisclosed #3
May 27, 2020
IPVMU Certified

*** ** *** ******** ********* ****** like... *** ***** *** ** *** moon...

** ***** ****** **** ***, *** how ***** **** **** *** ***** pictures **** *****?

(1)
UI
Undisclosed Integrator #8
May 27, 2020

**** ***** ******* ******* ** ***** the **** *******.

*************, ******* ******* ******** ** ** filmed ** ********...

U
Undisclosed #6
May 27, 2020

************ ** *** ******* ** ********.

UI
Undisclosed Integrator #5
May 27, 2020

****** ***** *** **** ** ****** is *** ******* ** ********.

*** ******* ******* ** *********.

*** ******* ************** ** ****** ** integrity.

U
Undisclosed #6
May 27, 2020

***** ***** ***, *** ** * row.

'******' ** * ********** **** *** are ***** ** *******/******** (******* *********) any ********* *** ***'* ****.

"Not ******* *******" is also a pejorative construct - as if you were the only one who knows US history.

"Not ******* ************** ** ****** ** *********" is a particularly hollow argument as you appear to seek to diminish the accountability of the Hikua machine using (primarily) whataboutism.

* **** ******** ** **** ** the **** ***. *** **** **** as *** ******* ******** ** ******'* argument, * ******* **** ******** ** engaging ** *** **** ******.

UI
Undisclosed Integrator #5
May 27, 2020

* *****'* ********* ******** ** *** in **** ***** ************. *** ** know **** ******** ** **** ****** where * **** ********* ** ********** what *****/***** ** *****.

******, ***'** *** *** **********/*********** **** the ** *** **** ********** *******, globally. ** *** *** ******* **** I ****** *** ** *** ****. Or *** *** ****** ******* **?

***** **** *** ******** ** ******* history *** ******* *** ******** ** stones ***** ****** ** * ***** house.

U
Undisclosed #6
May 27, 2020

"you're *** *** **********/*********** **** *** ** *** **** ********** *******, ********. Or did you address what I stated the US has done. Or did you simply dismiss it?"

*** **** ***** * ** ********** is **** ******* ** ****** *********** arguments ******* *********** ***** *** ** some **** ** ****** ******* ** your ******-********* ********** ******.

UI
Undisclosed Integrator #5
May 27, 2020

**** *****, ******** *** ********** * made.

***'* **** **** ** **** * counter ** **** ********* **** *'* dismissing *** ***** ******* * *******. Can't ****** **** *** ********** ***** stated.

**** ******* ** ******* *** *****.

U
Undisclosed #6
May 27, 2020

*** *** - * ****.

*** *** ****** *** ***** *** me.

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UI
Undisclosed Integrator #5
May 27, 2020

******* **. **** ***** ***** ****** to **** ***** ** * ********** with ******* ** **** ** **.

UM
Undisclosed Manufacturer #4
May 27, 2020

* **** **** ***** **** ***** day. ************* * ** *** **** to ******* ******** **** ***. **** cheat ** ******** **** *** ***** competition, **** **** ****** *** **** we ***** **** ** * *** (several ***** * *******) **** ****** get ***** ** ** ****. * really **** ** ******* ***** **** give **** *** ****** *** ******** state ** **** ** ****** ******** this. **** ******* *** *** ** companies *** *** ***** ** ** response. **** *********** ***** **** ** and *** **** ** ******** **** into ***** ****** ** ***. ** hold **** ******** ***** *****.

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U
Undisclosed #7
May 27, 2020

****** **** ************** *********. *** *** swimming ** *** ****** ** *** barrel ** *** *** ******* ******* for *** *** ****?

**** *** ****** ***** **** ******* you ******** ***** ******* ** ****** the ****** **** ********.

******* **** **********, ********** ** **** its ********** *********.

** *** *** ** *** **** bench **** *** **** ** *** local *** ******. ** * ********, do ******** *** ***** **** *** construct, ******* *** *******.

** *** ****** ** ****, *** and **** ******* *** * **** spy ******** ******* ***** ***** ** others **** ****, **********, *******, ********, philosophy.

*** *** *****...*** *** *** ****. Look ** ***** *************...** *** **** to *****, *** *** *** ****** out *** ***** * **** ***, game ****.

****: **** ** *** ******** **** and **.

UI
Undisclosed Integrator #9
Jun 01, 2020

******* **** ****** *** ******* ** buy ******** ** **'* ***** ****** and ***** ******* **, *** *** a *** ** ***** **** ********* (and *******) ****'* ***** *** ****** that.

*** **** ****** ***** *** ********* almost *** **********-************* ******* *** *** last ******* *****.

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