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What Laptop Do Your Field Technicians Use?

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Undisclosed Integrator #1
Feb 17, 2017

My company is looking to replace several field laptops. With so many options on the market, it has been a challenge to narrow down my choices. Does anyone have any recommendations for manufacturers they like?

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Armando Perez
Feb 17, 2017
Hoosier Security and Security Owners Group • IPVMU Certified

We are using surfaces. Mixed results. Love the small footprint, hate having to carry hubs and adapters and they're not exactly rugged.

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Michael Miller
Feb 17, 2017

We have some cool 3 port USB/Ethernet dongles for ours and they all go in cases.  I like the dongles vs built in ethernet ports for tech laptops as its cheaper to replace the dongle then the whole laptop when ethernet ports stop working. 

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Jon Dillabaugh
Feb 17, 2017
Pro Focus LLC

It's common of NICs and power ports to be on daughterboards, not on the actual motherboard. At least it has been in the past. I'm not entirely sure on the tablet style PCs, but your run of the mill laptops usually are that way. 

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Michael Miller
Feb 17, 2017

Still faster/cheaper to replace the USB dongle then opening up the laptop to replace a NIC.

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Jon Dillabaugh
Feb 17, 2017
Pro Focus LLC

I know that my comment seemed like an argument, but I do agree with you in general. I just wanted to point out that ports aren't always non-replaceable. The cost delta between the Surface Pro and your average laptop would cover quite a few port daughterboards. Just saying. 

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Armando Perez
Feb 17, 2017
Hoosier Security and Security Owners Group • IPVMU Certified

We use the same adapters. and also a CDROM adapter and a couple of others. so lots of extra stuff to carry around. 

Im having some issues with them being powerful enough to load alot of video sometimes depending on what we are working on. I think its because its not a PRO and its just the standard verizon surface with a data connection. Which model do you guys use Michael? Do you give them a hotspot or let them use their phones for data?

 

I hear what Jon is saying tho, by the time we have the surface, the cover, the adapters, etc. These arent exactly disposable.

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Michael Miller
Feb 17, 2017

We have both Surface i5 PRO 3 and i5 PRO 4s.   I beat the hell out of mine and I have no issues.   I don't do much programming in the field anymore but I do demos almost every day.   I use my Surface with a projector and pull up 300+ HD cameras at every demo.  It never has any problems. 

Also, we use our phones as hotspots when we need to or just jump on the WIFI network as we do a lot of WIFI deployments too. 

What are you using a CD-ROM for these days??

Here is the dongle we use

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Jon Dillabaugh
Feb 17, 2017
Pro Focus LLC

I think that is a testament to Avigilon HDSM more than to your Surface Pro. We have some pretty fast i7-4770 desktops with 16GB RAM, 970 GTX dual graphics cards, dual SSDs, and they still choke when we load over a hundred HD cameras via Spectrum. I'm sure if we could transcode them, rather than force them to low res, we could load nearly that many.

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Michael Miller
Feb 17, 2017

LOL... I know and that is one of the big reasons we sell so much Avigilon as customers don't have to upgrade all their client computers to support the software. 

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Luis Carmona
Feb 19, 2017
Geutebruck USA • IPVMU Certified

300+ camera views on one display? Are you actually able to make anything out?

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UI
Undisclosed Integrator #5
Feb 20, 2017

Hi Michael,

just curious, how do you pull up more than 300 HD camera's on each demo? Simultaneously? With what software? On that little screen?

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Kyle Folger
Mar 02, 2017
IPVMU Certified

I have the same dongle for my SP4. I also purchased Mini DisplayPort to HDMI, VGA, and DisplayPort cables so I am able to connect to just about any system. I use the UAG case for protection.

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Michael Miller
Feb 17, 2017

All my guys use Serface Pros

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Jon Dillabaugh
Feb 17, 2017
Pro Focus LLC

The Surface Pro can be rugged if you buy a decent case for it, similar to smart phones in that aspect. However, if rugged durability is the most important factor, the Toughbook and Toughpad are still king. 

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Jay Hobdy
Feb 17, 2017
IPVMU Certified

What is the advantage of the Surface over a normal laptop?

 

I am curious to know what kind of specs one would want in a field laptop that would run diagnostic software as well as run something like Milestone for demos.

 

I gave my laptop to a tech so I need a laptop and am in the market. Great topic.

UI
Undisclosed Integrator #4
Feb 17, 2017

The surface is small, portable, has a tablet style touch screen, but also has the ability to be used with a highly accurate digitized stylus.  I believe only Microsoft and Sony have something like this last I looked.  The Surface was much more economical.

At my prior employer I used a Surface Pro 2 for about a year.  Aside from some clunkiness with Windows 8.1 it was by far the most productive portable machine I have had.  After being forced to switch to a company owned computer I moved to a Macbook Air.  While I am at heart a Mac user and I enjoy Mac OS the quantity of applications I needed to run in Parallels (Windows Emulator) was cumbersome on the puny MBA processor.

I can vouch the Surface has ample power to run AutoCAD and Milestone without issue.

The criticism about the Surface Pro needing dongles for ethernet, USB, video is valid.  While the USB to ethernet dongle wasn't an issue having to have video dongles, a USB hub to get more than one USB port, and so on can be a hassle.  The Microsoft Arc Bluetooth mouse drivers were so bad I switched to using a wired mouse.

I now have to use a windows laptop and a seperate tablet.  Very cumbersome.

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Michael Miller
Feb 17, 2017

Not sure how well the Surface PROwill run Milestone but it runs Avigilon perfectly. 

I like the Surface because they are small, portable and powerful.  I also like using them on my lap compared to normal laptops because they don't generate any heat.  The stylist/touch screen work very well and it is very small so it takes up much less room in my bag. 

Also since we all have the same laptops it's easier to manage and we can share power supplies if needed. 

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John Bazyk
Feb 17, 2017
Command Corporation • IPVMU Certified

We use whatever we can find at Costco. Technician laptops don't usually last long around here...

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UI
Undisclosed Integrator #4
Feb 17, 2017

We have some ruggedized laptops.  The problem with that is the cost is steep and the durability is so wonderful that many are woefully out of date.

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Undisclosed End User #7
Feb 28, 2017

Refurbished Dell's have been good to us

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Kyle Folger
Mar 02, 2017
IPVMU Certified

And I bought my SP4 at Costco. They had a good Black Friday deal and I noticed they seem to have the same deal going on now for them.

UI
Undisclosed Integrator #2
Feb 17, 2017

Dell and Lenova laptops.  We have surface 4 tablets also, issue with them is for the money you get more bang for your buck with a laptop.  Video demands put on by the higher resolutions tend to work better on laptops also.

 

Surfaces can be a pain with adapters also.

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Jeff Gack
Feb 17, 2017
IPVMU Certified

I use a Dell Latitude E7250 with a solid state hard drive and Windows 10 Pro.

It works great for me, has a network jack, USB ports, light weight (less than 3 lbs.), bright sharp display and boots up in less than 30 seconds.

It also has a touch screen if you like that (I prefer mouse, much more accurate)

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UI
Undisclosed Integrator #3
Feb 17, 2017

The Panasonic Toughbook is the only way to go. Native DB9 (Cisco switch programming), touchscreen, waterproof, and a heater to warm up the hard drive in the event you leave it in your car during a snowstorm.

Mine is still going strong after 3 years. It's fallen off the ladder three times, water spilled on it twice, and got rained on during an IP camera install.

Be sure to only load the basic/necessary business TOOLS on the laptop so it boots up fast and performs fast.

Remember, TIME IS MONEY.

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Michael Budalich
Feb 17, 2017
Genetec

From my experience, the Panasonic Tough book seems to be the most liked field tech laptop.

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Marty Calhoun
Feb 18, 2017
IPVMU Certified

Honestly, we have a bunch of the older reconditioned Motorola laptops that came from one of my municipal customers and were used in squad cars for a few years. They are tough as nails, look like hell but I swear by them. We have tried the Surface pros and they were too much hassle. as I said before try the new Triplett 8071, its better than a laptop in many situations.

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Jorrit Verhoeven
Feb 20, 2017

Depending on the "environment" the people work in, I would pick laptops that offer speed (Time is money) and durability at the same time.

CDROM drives are very clumsy and ask for trouble with the laptops.
Most of the driver software is downloadable, and if the engineer is prepared he/she will know what software to use before driving out.

If not it's easy to have all drivers of the hardware you work with installed or as zip file on a storage somewhere.

Now to the Flavour, that's always a good question and fully depends on what the company is willing to pay.

If there are rough conditions there are great rugged laptops on the market dust, water resistant.

In normal conditions i would go for a laptop with not to many toys and tools also here the brand, is personal choice.
Google is your friend for "rugged laptops site: " and "durable laptops site:"
(SITE:US / UK / DE /NL etc etc for your country)

 

Regards J

 

 

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UI
Undisclosed Integrator #4
Feb 20, 2017

It was taking too long for someone to do this.

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UE
Undisclosed End User #7
Feb 28, 2017

I see your Osborne, and Raise w/ a Kaypro:

 

 

CP/M was awsome!

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UI
Undisclosed Integrator #6
Feb 27, 2017

Lenovo E460 laptops here; they offer a lot for the money and have a relatively small footprint. When equipped with an i5 and SSD they are plenty fast too.

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Jay Hobdy
Feb 28, 2017
IPVMU Certified

Did you upgrade the RAM? I see they come with 4 GB RAM.

 

http://www.microcenter.com/product/466369/ThinkPad_E460_14_Laptop_Computer_-_Graphite_Black

 

No SSD but the drive is 7200 RPM.

 

My purpose would be to run some video clips, Milestone Demo, etc for demos, and basic service such as device discovery tools.

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Jon Dillabaugh
Feb 28, 2017
Pro Focus LLC

Adding RAM and an SSD should be child's play for this group of nerds, no?

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Jay Hobdy
Feb 28, 2017
IPVMU Certified

Yes but he says the laptop is fast. Does fast mean after upgrading the memory? I am just wondering if I need to spend the money on more memory.

 

This is more of a performance/value/price question.

 

The unit has 2 memory slots, with 1 slot having a 4gb stick. As the slots are not balanced from the factory, I assume I can stick a 8GB (max size) in the second slot for a total of 12GB. Anyone can confirm or deny?

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Luis Carmona
Feb 28, 2017
Geutebruck USA • IPVMU Certified

Adding RAM and an SSD should be child's play for this group of nerds, no?

Don't see why not.

 

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UI
Undisclosed Integrator #6
Feb 28, 2017

I've found that the component which makes the biggest impact on speed/performance in most instances, without a doubt, is going from an HDD to an SSD:

https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B01F2P5M1Y/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&th=1

 

Going with at least 8GB of RAM is suggested as well. As for size of SSD, that all depends on what you're trying to store locally and what you're actually using it for. In my experience, for techs, 240GB is plenty. You could probably get away with a 120GB, but it's only a couple bucks more to double it in this instance.

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Jay Hobdy
Feb 28, 2017
IPVMU Certified

I pulled the trigger on a Lenovo E460 with 16GB RAM, and 240 GB SSD. I also bought an external USB powered 1TB drive. We have alot of stuff on Google drive that I like to sync.

I will follow up after I get it set up.

UM
Undisclosed Manufacturer #8
Feb 28, 2017

Our techs ONLY use Lenovo notebooks/laptops. "Why?" you ask.

I also happen to own a computer company that sells, supports & services network, computers & laptops. Lenovo is the system that fails the least. Dell is the laptop that needs regular repairs, mostly because they are flimsy and parts fall off. When we repair them, the Dell is pure junk in terms of build quality, fit & finish. I sell & service virtually anything my clients ask for (Dell, HP, Panasonic, Sony etc.) but if they want my recommendation, I always recommend Lenovo. I almost never see them back for repairs & I likely won't be hearing complaints from clients who take my recommendation.

I don't get anything more from Lenovo for favoring their product other than a better quality & more durable system.

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Jon Dillabaugh
Feb 28, 2017
Pro Focus LLC

I, too have owned a PC repair shop. I have either worked as a tech or owned my own shop for most of my adult life. 

You can't judge a book by its cover. Sure, every brand has their disposable line. Dell Vostro units are disposable. Lenovo has their junk lines too. 

Some brands are completely disposable, such as Acer and almost every single Toshiba I have ever seen. The low end HP are junk, but their Pro series are very nice. 

So don't be so quick to judge Dell so poorly. You may haven't had a chance to work on their better units because they already are covered by extensive onsite warranties. Check out the Dell Precision and Lattitude lines. They are very well made. 

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UI
Undisclosed Integrator #4
Mar 03, 2017

I don't know about all Pro series HPs being good.   I have a work issued pro book G450 and want to skip this thing across a lake.  Even after an M2 SSD conversion and upgrade on RAM this thing is pokey.  At least it doesn't take 15 minutes to boot off the default hard drive any longer.  The trend of using ultra mobile dual core processors in almost all laptops is just awful.

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Jon Dillabaugh
Mar 03, 2017
Pro Focus LLC

That problem is a poor CPU choice. My case for HP Pro laptops was for build quality. I didn't say you couldn't find one without much power. 

UI
Undisclosed Integrator #4
Mar 04, 2017

If only I had a choice...

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UI
Undisclosed Integrator #10
Mar 03, 2017

Other than the the markup + SPIFFs for selling their equipment as a reseller?

UM
Undisclosed Manufacturer #8
Feb 28, 2017

Sorry Jon, I must respectfully disagree with you. I should have mentioned that we only sell & service the business class equipment. We have serviced many Precision & Lattitude systems and my opinion stands that these are sub-standard quality as compared to much of the other main stream systems for build, fit & finish. When I think of Dell, I think keys falling off, touch-pad failure, loose screens etc. I have been in the business for 28 years so no shortage of experience. We are Dell authorized and I will only sell them if I have to. I sell 5 times as many Lenovo's as Dell but Lenovo experiences 1/5 of the failures. Most failures we see are bits breaking off and screws etc. rattling around inside.

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Jay Hobdy
Feb 28, 2017
IPVMU Certified

I have a Dell leasing account and I swear I will never buy another Dell. I swear every Dell I owned in the last 15 years ended up with catastrophic failures, bad motherboards, screen failures. I do not think I ever replaced one just because it was old.

 

My wife works in the IT department of a local large company and they swear by Dell.... 

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UI
Undisclosed Integrator #9
Mar 03, 2017

Does anyone use a sub $500 laptop with good results? My uses are pretty limited to Hik VMS and SADP tool, basic router programming etc. 

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David Westberry
Mar 03, 2017
IPVMU Certified

I have been buying Microsoft Certified Refurbished HP Elitebooks of various models off Amazon. Add an SSD and the price has been <$400 and they come with a clean Windows install with zero added software. For the price this works for us.

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Jay Hobdy
Mar 03, 2017
IPVMU Certified

I used a refurbed Lenovo 200 ish something or another, maybe a 240? My former employer bought it at www.microcenter.com (they have 2 local stores here in Atlanta)

 

As operations manager I ran Quickbooks, PowerPoint, Word, Excel, etc, tons of web browser tabs, etc. I occasionally had to use it in the field and had all the discovery tools, Smart PSS (Dahua VMS), etc on it.

 

Refurb cost was around 350 I think. Of course I had a monitor as well. It performed fairly well, was a tad sluggish around PowerPoint, but nothing crazy.

 

I have a pretty quick computer at home and it sets the bar pretty high for everything else I touch. When I double click word, I expect to be typing instantly... LOL

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Jeff Gack
Mar 04, 2017
IPVMU Certified

Almost 8 lbs.

Might be a little large and heavy for everyday hauling and setting up at job sites.

I used to haul a big heavy Dell around and replaced it last year with a Dell Lattitude ultra book that weighs less than 3 lbs, much better.

Also I don't know if you can still get the free upgrade from Windows 8 to 10.

You probably won't want to be stuck with 8.

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Jon Dillabaugh
Mar 04, 2017
Pro Focus LLC

Used? I would pass. And a 17" display? No thanks. Waaaaayyyy too heavy as Jeff pointed out above. I have a 15" now and my next one will likely be smaller. 

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UI
Undisclosed Integrator #4
Mar 04, 2017

Depends on your most common use I suppose.  If I were in the field as much as I used to be ultrabooks are the only way to go.  You don't want to lug around a 17 incher all day.  Nowadays I would kill for a 17 inch workstation replacement.

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David Shepherd
Mar 04, 2017

The last place I worked at used Dell Precisions, M4700 I think. Core i7's with nVidia Quadro graphics. Very nice machines, but very big and heavy, not the sort of machine you want to be using while on a ladder adjusting a camera. Where I currently work we use a mixture of Acer Aspires/Toshiba Satellites/Lenovo IdeaPads, whatever we get from JB Hi-Fi on that particular day. I myself have an IdeaPad, Core i7 with 12GB of RAM and Radeon graphics. Not a bad machine, but not the sort of machine that I would prefer given that I tend to prefer enterprise grade gear, even for my own personal use at home.

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Undisclosed Manufacturer #11
Mar 06, 2017

Dell ATG Latitudes

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Undisclosed #12
Mar 08, 2017

Lenovo P50 is what we recently deployed for our senior technical staff. Our old Lenovo W540 models are getting passed down to the techs. Techs rarely get brand new laptops.

UI
Undisclosed Integrator #9
Mar 13, 2017

I just got a new laptop and realized it did not come with a ethernet port. What do you all use for USB to Ethernet dongles?

Do you buy one that comes with a driver or set up what come with the computer?

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John Scanlan
Mar 13, 2017
IPVM • IPVMU Certified

My laptop also does not have an integrated NIC.  I bought an Anker USB 3.0 gig NIC from Amazon and have been very happy with it.  There was no setup involved - just plugged it in.

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UI
Undisclosed Integrator #9
Mar 13, 2017

awesome thanks

 

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Eric Barker
Mar 13, 2017

We have gone through 3 different brands this year and settled with Lenovo.  Not sure if the brand matters but I required a minimum of I5 processor and solid state hard drives.  I went with the Lenovo series because it had several options I liked.  It can fold into a tablet, solid state hard drive, biometric finger swipe, I5, and backlit keyboard.  We have had zero issues so far.  I have been very happy with it.

 

 

UI
Undisclosed Integrator #9
Mar 13, 2017

Does anyone use the Bitlocker encryption that comes with windows 10 pro? 

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Jay Hobdy
Mar 14, 2017
IPVMU Certified

FWIW We did buy the Lenovo E460 and it is pretty nice. We got it with 16GB RAM and 250ish GB SSD. It boots up pretty quickly and so far so good.

 

I bought a 1TB USB drive I planned on syncing with Google Drive and apparently Google says it is a bad idea to use a removable drive for Google drive. Can cause problems. That was disappointing as there is no way I can fit everything onto the last 120ish GB hard drive I have left.

I am thinking to manually copy my Drive contents to the USB drive weekly.

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Kyle Folger
Mar 14, 2017
IPVMU Certified

I use Dropbox and use selective sync for my Surface Pro 4 due to the lack of space. I only sync what I need. It seems like that feature was added to Google Drive last year. There's no way I need every single file synced when in the field.

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