Voting - What Went Wrong

Voting on comments has been removed - at least for now.

Here are the 3 main issues:

  • Comments that were witty / funny received the most votes. For example, Brian had a number of the 'top' voted comments including his 'Genetec is better than a mop' one and 'pimps and pricing'. By contrast, in depth technical or operational comments, by anyone, received very little votes. I think this is the opposite of what it should be.
  • Not enough people were voting. While it became more diverse over time, even at the end, a dozen people probably counted for about half of the votes, making it not an accurate reflection of what the overall membership felt.
  • A handful of people voted ideologically, i.e., if they supported a manufacturer, nearly all comments supporting their manufacturer got upvoted and any ones criticizing them got downvoted, regardless of the quality or depth of the comment.

What I want from voting is for votes to broadly reflect member's opinion the accuracy / value of the comment, not whether it is funny or it supports their business partner.

There are changes in how we present / list voting that could help. We also may need to do a little educational campaign with members to make it clearer the goal of voting.

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