Tyco Specifier Defends Dahua And Hikvision Backdoors

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John Honovich
Sep 29, 2017
IPVM

Finally, someone has publicly come to the defense of Dahua and Hikvision backdoors:

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John Honovich
Sep 29, 2017
IPVM

While firewalls and other technologies can help mitigate security flaws, ultimately it has to be the responsibility of manufacturers not to ship with such dangerous defects.

Also, ironically, both Dahua and Hikvision recommend port forwarding, which directly exposes their devices to the public Internet (indeed, amazingly Hikvision Hardening Guide Recommends Port Forwarding).

And cybercriminals should be condemned and prosecuted but security manufacturers cannot be given a free pass for making defective devices. If a safe manufacturer had a flaw that allowed immediately opening a locked safe, we would certainly and reasonably blame the criminal and the safe manufacturer.

However, on the positive side, having a powerful ally like Tyco is a benefit. Related, the specifier recently posted another LinkedIn item (since deleted) where he praised Hikvision for bringing low cost products to US federal customers and the support he received from Hikvision sales people. While that is a risk to the US government, this does show the combination of low prices and heavy sales spending works with Tyco.

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John Honovich
Sep 29, 2017
IPVM

Also, ironically, Tyco is a double OEM of Dahua, both through Illustra and Holis, so awkward.

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Undisclosed #1
Sep 29, 2017
IPVMU Certified

One (long) sentence says it all:

The articles that have been published never mention that almost 90% of these backdoor security breaches are as a result of the customer's / end users network administrators who has not kept up with the appropriate firewalls and there would have protected the Security system there data but most importantly there own infrastructure and when these particular customer / end user or clients become the victim of the backdoor breach they instinctively target the Dealers / System Integrators like myself but mostly the Security Manufacturers.

So it's not even the integrators fault, but the end-user's fault!

Poor Tyco caught in the middle of manufacturers buggy firmware and end-users reckless network setup.

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Undisclosed Integrator #2
Sep 29, 2017

All brought to you by an evil blogger looking to use sensationalist headlines to gain subscriptions. #TeamChina

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John Honovich
Sep 29, 2017
IPVM

Evidently #TeamHikvision is loving the Tyco specifier's post:

The industry's largest manufacturer and largest integrator are speaking truth to power...

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Undisclosed #3
Sep 29, 2017

Well there’s something that’s worth a damn.  Well, maybe worth a job offer, anyway.

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Undisclosed #3
Sep 29, 2017

David’s a good guy... great guy, but anyone that knows him will realize he is in NO WAY qualified from the standpoint of his background or technical proficiencies to make these arguments.

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Undisclosed #1
Sep 29, 2017
IPVMU Certified

David’s a good guy... great guy, but anyone that knows him...

And even a few that don't...

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Undisclosed Distributor #4
Sep 29, 2017

He may be a good guy, but issuing any kind of statement condoning back doors into systems just makes it look as though you have your head up your rear-end and that you're making excuses for yourself or someone who is giving you money.  Tyco should be having that little blurb erased form existence immediately.

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Rob Hammond
Sep 29, 2017
IPVMU Certified

I will take UM #3’s point that David is a good guy. But I find David’s comments terribly naïve.  Blaming the victim is never a good strategy.  Also, he seems to be very biased towards the vendors supplying product to him.  In a position like his (and I have been there), it is very easy to become complacent to people buying you expensive dinners and trips, and to overlook their product’s shortcomings. 

My advice to David is: apologize. Don’t let this fester and drag Tyco’s credibility into even more question.

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John Honovich
Sep 29, 2017
IPVM

Interesting response from someone on Twitter:

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Undisclosed End User #5
Sep 29, 2017

Yep, he wanna another job, so clear as an shiny day...

 

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Undisclosed #3
Sep 29, 2017

Yes, David is also notorious for audacious statements such as these when he is looking for a job.

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Undisclosed Manufacturer #6
Sep 30, 2017

I was hoping you guys would report this. Unbelievable. It will be interesting to see Tyco's response, or lack thereof, considering the partnership. 

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John Honovich
Sep 30, 2017
IPVM

It will be interesting to see Tyco's response

Considering Tyco almost never says anything publicly about anything controversial, I doubt there will be any public Tyco response.

The only thing that might happen is that he deletes the LinkedIn post based on Tyco's request. However, since the post is still on LinkedIn, that indicates Tyco has not requested that.

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Undisclosed Manufacturer #7
Sep 30, 2017

Thank you Tyco for providing material we can use against you when competing for jobs. That you think very little of the integrity of the products you sell, and unwilling to disclose up front the possible conflict of interest. I need to hurry up and make a copy of that post.

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John Honovich
Sep 30, 2017
IPVM

Thank you Tyco for providing material we can use against you

In fairness, this is not from Tyco corporate but a Tyco employee. On the other hand, as I have argued, there are No 'Personal' Opinions About Work, so such statements, directed or not, reflect back on one's employer.

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Undisclosed Manufacturer #7
Sep 30, 2017

You know John, you're right about that and I can't argue against it. But what also isn't fair is when a big company like Tyco tells customers that small integrators [like us] aren't as good as they are because they don't have the size and resources that they do. Which as you know and we know isn't always true, and sometimes to the contrary. And it isn't fair when they have they have the resources and connections to get in touch with, and wine and dine (bribe) executive decision makers about who their security integrators will be.

But hey, I hope it doesn't sound like I'm crying about the fairness of it, because that is not the American way. As long as it's legal, we'll use whatever ammo we have at our disposal.

And I mean this as a hint and a warning for the benefit of big companies like Tyco. ;)

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Undisclosed Manufacturer #7
Sep 30, 2017

And I made my copy. :)

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Joseph Hirasawa
Sep 30, 2017
IPVMU Certified

Sad.

 The underlying problem is that because  manufacturers produce "bad code" & get away with it, is the reason we live in a world where security vulnerabilities exist.

 We've gotten so used to it that the explanation is to blame the network infrastructure VS if products were produced, from the ground up, as being more secure we would all be better for it.

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John Honovich
Oct 02, 2017
IPVM

The Tyco specifier is not backing down, yesterday he defended his position:

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Undisclosed Distributor #4
Oct 02, 2017

Besides the grammatical/spelling errors "unless I has a back door issue", this person does not have a clue of what he is talking about.  It's the firewall administrators fault that there are backdoors into these products?  Keep talking Mr. Gonzalez, you are only broadcasting your ignorance to more people as you go.  I am amazed that Tyco is not addressing this.

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Gregory Keeling
Oct 02, 2017

David is a good man, but his statement can be viewed as naive and could potentially put him in hot water with Tyco Execs.

I respect him but I do not agree with his statement, he does not take into consideration the millions of people using Hikvision and Dahua in their homes. People who do not have the means to protect themselves from easily compromised security devices.

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John Honovich
Oct 09, 2017
IPVM

The Tyco specifier is literally triple downing with yet another re-post of his LinkedIn post on LinkedIn, emphasizing the support he is getting:

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