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Suggestion For Encouraging Full Disclosure Of Company Bias

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Undisclosed #1
Aug 14, 2018
IPVMU Certified

Perhaps similar to the “Post Without Disclosing Your Name” checkbox, their could be a “Post Without Disclosing Your Company” checkbox.  If unchecked, the company would show.  Their could be a little instruction/admonishment, e.g. “Uncheck this box if commenting on your own company, company’s products.”

This might encourage more disclosure from newbies and those who should know better.

The two checkboxes would be independent of one another.

Also, in case a concern is the cluttering of posts with company names, the company name could be hidden and only shown as a mouse-over.

*Maybe even a stronger encouragement could be given when the poster is posting undisclosed but his company name is in the post or the title of the discussion ;)

UI
Undisclosed Integrator #2
Aug 14, 2018

While I like the idea, I think John does a good job on calling out the extreme cases.  There was a post a few weeks ago where John called out a rep who was trying to hide the fact that he was in fact working for the manufacturer.  Sometimes some of us don't want to let their employers know how much time we spend on IPVM, and "Undisclosed" keeps us posting away :)

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U
Undisclosed #1
Aug 15, 2018
IPVMU Certified

He does do a good job.  This would be to lessen his need to do that by providing a clear, unambiguous way to comment undisclosed with disclosed manufacturer.

On the other hand, seeing John rip into the occasional red-faced manufacturer who thinks that Undisclosed means “hidden from John” represents about 6% of my total enjoyment on IPVM, so I’m ok either way :)

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UM
Undisclosed Manufacturer #3
Aug 15, 2018

I work for a manufacturer and am very careful to keep bias in check.

There are lots of things I would say about the industry in general that I am certain my company would not want associated with their name. I am very thankful to be able to post here on occasion without that issue.

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Sean Nelson
Aug 15, 2018
Nelly's Security

I think this would rarely be utilized.

Unless you are a manufacturer that has a ton of logins it would be fairly easy for your boss to find out who posted the comment. And I assume that a large percentage of the time that when you post undisclosed you do it so it wont come back to haunt you by your employer. And if thats the case you probably dont want your company name disclosed in the first place.

 

You know what would be really cool for fun but will never happen. If you could have a monthly budget of "Disclose the Undisclosed" You are allowed 3 DTU's for anyone who has something sarcasticly snotty to say about you. Now that is a feature that would be utilized!!!

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Undisclosed #4
Aug 16, 2018

Why I pay for my own account. 

U
Undisclosed #1
Aug 15, 2018
IPVMU Certified

Unless you are a manufacturer that has a ton of logins it would be fairly easy for your boss to find out who posted the comment. And I assume that a large percentage of the time that when you post undisclosed you do it so it wont come back to haunt you by your employer. And if thats the case you probably dont want your company name disclosed in the first place.

Here’s the thing though, there is almost no overlap between the primary use cases:

Therefore, you would show your manufacturer name only in cases when promoting your company’s product.  In which case you probably don’t mind them being able to figure out it’s you.

JH
John Honovich
Aug 15, 2018
IPVM

I doubt the undisclosed pro-company poster is worried about their company seeing. The more important desire is to avoid looking like it is a promotion. If a guy says "I am with CrappyCam and CrappyCam makes the best cameras," it will have little impact but if the guy can deceive people into thinking he is making an independence, objective recommendation, it carries far more weight.

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U
Undisclosed #1
Aug 15, 2018
IPVMU Certified

I doubt the undisclosed pro-company poster is worried about their company seeing.

Right. That’s what I’m saying, as shown by the tiniest overlap between circles.

The more important desire is to avoid looking like it is a promotion.

Yes, this is the primary goal.  It’s really just an easier and more consistent way of typing out the old “Full Disclosure: I work for Absurd Alarms”.

Also, it’s a constant/option reminder to do so, since it would be listed right above the post reply button, with the other tics.

The secondary goal would be to allow for those who don’t mind their company affiliation to be disclosed with all posts.

Ironically, in the current system, you sometimes have a better sense of where someone is coming from when they post undisclosed, because of the industry tag, “Manufacturer”, “Distributor” etc.

By allowing those who wish to share their affiliation to do so, you would provide greater context to the discussion.

Finally, I imagined you might object to the clutter or the plastering of company names multiple times up and down the screen. So I suggested showing the company name only on mouse over.

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Jon Jones
Aug 16, 2018

“Mouse over” is a little 1990s thinking. I would say 75% of the time I am reading these blogs it is on my phone.

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Undisclosed #1
Aug 16, 2018
IPVMU Certified

“Mouse over” is a little 1990s thinking. I would say 75% of the time I am reading these blogs it is on my phone.

Applications for mobile devices developed using jquery, (such as IPVM), have various implementations available to them for hover, for instance.

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Jon Jones
Aug 16, 2018

So I guess I am using my phone wrong.  Haven’t run into a single instance of this (yet) when using safari.

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Undisclosed #1
Aug 17, 2018
IPVMU Certified

You wouldn’t know it was a hover just by using the mobile version alone.  Conditionally, depending on the target device, it renders it in some fashion that lets you still get the info.  Like you click once, then see the hover info, but then if you click that you get to the ultimate url.

RS
Robert Shih
Aug 16, 2018
Independent

I actually have to be reminded by John Honovich to use Undisclosed to CMA sometimes.

I wonder if he's ever gone back to switch that on for me, lol

My favorite line to hear from him is: "are you trying to get fired?" It lets me know I'm haven't been drinking the Kool-Aid.

U
Undisclosed #5
Aug 17, 2018

i'm not sure I understand the OP.

I post as Undisclosed a lot - though I sometimes use my own name.

However, whenever I post something in a string related to the company I work for, I will always post as my real name.

Even in a string that might be disparaging my company for some reason, I still know that if I work for the company that I am defending in such a string, that my relationship to the company should be disclosed - because to not do so seems unethical to me.

imo, the only reason to post Undisclosed in a string about your own company is if your company has a policy in place that prohibits you from posting on IPVM.  And if that is the case, the OP's suggestion might place these posters in peril of their identities being deduced by the very company which has prohibited them from posting.

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Undisclosed #1
Aug 17, 2018
IPVMU Certified

However, whenever I post something in a string related to the company I work for, I will always post as my real name.

agreed, you would have no need for such a feature.

However, for the many undisclosed posts where the author preemptively, or IPVM editorially, discloses affiliation in an ad hoc manner, this would possibly be of use.

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