Should IPVM Ban Testing Dahua And Hikvision Products Because Of Human Rights Abuses?

We are going to continue to test all major products but we do want members to have an opportunity to discuss and to understand our reasoning as a number have recently objected (e.g., 1, 2, 3).

First the poll:

Here is why we will continue testing all major products:

  1. Accurate Reporting - We need to report accurately and fairly about products and companies. We should and do criticize Dahua for building and operating police stations in Xinjiang but baning or unfairly criticizing Dahua products (when they work well) undermines a core principle of accurate reporting.
  2. Convincing more people - If IPVM bans testing Dahua and Hikvision products and only criticizes them, we are much less likely to convince more people about the serious ethical and political issues of these companies since people will be more likely to dismiss us as simply 'hating' them.
  3. Need to know - The industry needs to know where products compare competitively. Dismissing PRC products as cheap or crappy or evil may make some people feel good short term but if non-PRC companies are going to truly compete, they need to know where they stand and be motivated to work harder.
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