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Question On POE Extenders

UE
Undisclosed End User #1
Nov 05, 2018

I have a wire run that is 500 feet, and plan to use an Ethernet/POE extender that I've used several times before. The issue is that when the wire was ran they failed to bring a loop down at the half way point like I asked to accommodate the extender. Getting a lift in this space at the half way point may be difficult given a very high traffic volume on the plant floor.

Several of these types of installations are currently is place. Axis T8133 high power POE midspan 30W is at the switch, with the Ethernet extender at the half way point. Most are about 500 feet in length. 

I can obviously try to coordinate a lift at the half way point for the extender, which is probably preferable. But what about putting the extender near the switch where it will be easier to install? Will it give me the 500 feet I need right out of the gate? What about putting the extender just before the camera where it will also be easier to install?

If I have to put it at the half way point, fine, I just want to be clear on my options.      

UE
Undisclosed End User #1
Nov 05, 2018

My apologies if this has been addressed. It seems like a basic point that would have come up before; however, I was unable to find it on any of the other POE extender discussions.

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Brian Rhodes
Nov 05, 2018
IPVMU Certified

In general, extenders provide the extra length for the segment out from the extender, not to the switch.  So in your case, putting the extender at a midpoint vs. near the switch is likely not an issue.

Which extender were you looking to use?  Using something like a Veracity Longspan requires installing one converter at each end, but the 500 feet run between is within spec:

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UE
Undisclosed End User #1
Nov 05, 2018

I was going to use the Veracity Outreach Max.

For clarity, I'm asking if this can be done....Switch/midspan/extender/500ft cat5e/camera.  

SD
Shannon Davis
Nov 06, 2018
IPVMU Certified

Yes it can be done.

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Shannon Davis
Nov 05, 2018
IPVMU Certified

The issue I see long term is if you get a lift and put the extender half way now is that when this device fails, and it will, you are going to need the lift again. Brian's suggestion above would eliminate having to install an extender up in the ceiling where you would need a lift. The one time lift cost could be more than using a media converter like the one above. Essentially you would use the twisted pair converter to get your Ethernet extended to the length you have. Also 500' is no problem with most media converters these days, even pushing POE across.

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UI
Undisclosed Integrator #2
Nov 05, 2018

Use the type where one goes on the switch end and one on the camera end. If you mentioned it is pain getting to the midpoint today service and troubleshooting in the future will be even more difficult. 

UI
Undisclosed Integrator #3
Nov 05, 2018

Does ths longspan work if you are using coax and an encoder at camera / NVR end?

U
Undisclosed #4
Nov 05, 2018

Some extenders are really more like a 2 port switch, they are regenerating the signal, keeping everything "real" Ethernet, and then giving you another 100 meters of segment length. For this type you would need to be within 100M of the end segment.

Other extenders convert the Ethernet signal to some other format, generally an xDSL-ish signal, which can cover longer distances. With these you can often go 1000ft or more, but either way you only need to be within their rated spec of the end point, and there is generally not much benefit to putting them any closer together than the rated spec distance.

Overall, I tend to not prefer little islands of equipment in the middle of a cable run. It's often more hassle to install, and makes it harder to do a proper cable test if you suspect some other activity in the building may have damaged the cable.

In your case, I'd look for an Ethernet extender rated for 500ft or more and put the devices at the far end of the cable and leave the overall cable run in tact.

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Fred Kincaid
Nov 05, 2018
ADT Security

We have successfully used Altronix PACE modules as “end-span” POE extenders for up to 1000ft. They work very well. You need a transmitter and separate receiver but specifically you’ll want the  “mini transceiver” for mounting out at or near the camera; as it will be much easier to fit in a box. They sell a variety of kits or items individually. 

 

Here is cut cut sheet on mini transceiver  it will work with any single or multi port receiver.

Altronix IP and PoE+ over Extended Distance CAT5e
Hardened Mini Transceiver

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Carl Kristoffersen
Nov 06, 2018

Or... just hook it up and see what happens.  
I did that with a run of about 450' of cat 5e with no issues.  I put my network tester on it running at 100Mbps and a couple tests came back just over the threshold but a camera running at 4Mbps will not hit those marks.
A year later and all is well.

What type of cable are you using?

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Ken Jenkins
Nov 06, 2018
IPVMU Certified

Take a look at this company, they have solutions that will span 1,100 feet.

IP Video Surveillance Storage + IP Transmission Devices with POE

Veracity manufactures surveillance storage systems, industry-leading IP transmission devices, IP camera installation tools, POE and EOC adapters and extenders, and direct-to-storage products. We developed the world’s only storage system specifically designed for IP video surveillance data. We collaborate with IP camera manufacturers and surveillance industry companies world-wide to develop innovative solutions.

 

www.veracityglobal.com

 

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Shannon Davis
Nov 06, 2018
IPVMU Certified

One main point to consider is environmental factors. If these will be outside make sure it meets the conditions of the area.

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