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Pixels Per Foot, DORI And Large Government Client Who Wants To Standardize On A Particular Camera

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Undisclosed #1
•Aug 25, 2019

I am working with a large government client who wants to standardize on a particular camera(s) in addition to other security products. Over the years reading IPVM and others, the words "pixel density" or ppf have been addressed, but all have conditional statements that make it difficult for owners to understand; or for consultants to specify, much less prove. In attempting to explain this issue is i use the definitions from the D.O.R.I. (Detection, Observation, Recognition and Identification) classification scheme (which are themselves different from one company to another). I used Hanwha and Bosch (below) because these are the cameras that are new or existing. The BSIA (British Security Industry Association) was used as kind of a "neutral third party" (sure..). I will add others as needed.

Take a look at the differences. Why does Hanwha take nearly 3 times the pixel density do the same thing as Bosch. If anyone could shed light on this I would appreciate it. Also, Is there a place where this kind of thing is referenced for all the big players? Since this will be a "Competition" we will select from manufacturers who's product meets are exceeds these numbers under specif conditions that will be common to all. Remember, this is just the pixel density demonstration. There will be others that will be exactly the same conditions for each participating manufacturer. As pointed out by John, the image is in the eye of the beholder. The "beholders" in this case, will be former police officers and dispatch personnel who are now in the security position within that company, plus a couple of suits who have some crazy expectations as to the quality of the image produced.

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* **** ****, *****, ********** (*** i ****), *****, *** ***** ********* Electric *********: . **** *** ** questions *** **** **** ****** ********:

*. **** ***** ************ ***** *** recommend?

*. **** ***** "********" ********** ***** would *** *********?

*. ****** *********** ** ******* ** Observers?

*. *** ** *** ******* ** be ****** **** ** * *********** (many ** *** *** **** **** be * *****-******) . **** **** not **** **** * *******. ****** they ** ***-*******?

*. *** ***** ********?

******. **** *, * ** **** anxious ** **** **** ******** ** this

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JH
John Honovich
•Aug 26, 2019
IPVM

****** ****. **'* ********** *** **********, i.e., *** ********* ** *** ****** can **** ************* ********* ************ ***** what ***** ********* '************'.

*** **** ****** **** ****** * times *** ***** ******* ** *** same ***** ** *****.

******* ** ** *** *** '**** thing'. ** ****** **** ** ***** 80ppf ***** ***** **** ***** *** 'identification' **** **** *** **** ***** is ******, **'* **** **** *****, for ******** ****** ******* *** * more ******* / ********** ****** *** what **** **** '**************'.

***, ***** ***** ** ********* *** cameras? *** ****** ** ** ******** and **** **** *********** ************ ******. ***'* *** *** ************* ***** the ******* ** ** ***** *** will **** ** ** ********** **** compression ** ***** ****** *** ******** scenarios.

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U
Undisclosed #1
•Aug 26, 2019
In reply to John Honovich

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**** * ** ****** ** ** is ****** * "**** ****" ***** using "****** *********" * ****** ***'* care ** *** ************** **** ** 8 ** ** ***. **** * care ***** ** **** ** ********** panel (*****'* ******** ****) ***** *** image ****** **** ** ** **** level ** ***. **** ** *** of *** ********** ********. ***** ******** includes ******* *** *******, ******* ** the ************, ****** ** ***** ********, warranty ***********, ***.

** **** ***** *** ** ** make **** **** ** ********* *** manage ************ ** *** ******. *** do **** ***** *** ********* ***** procurement ***?

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Sergio Guzman
•Aug 26, 2019
Pine Crest School • IPVMU Certified
In reply to John Honovich

*** *** ********** **** ** ** current ******* ******* * *** *** Axis ***** *** ************ ******? **** are ****** *** ** ** ** perimeter, *** **** *** ******** ***** own ******* ** **** ** ******. Should * *** ***** ****?

JH
John Honovich
•Aug 26, 2019
IPVM
In reply to Sergio Guzman

*********, *** ****** **** ******* ******** changes *** ****** ** ****** *** track *** *********. *** ***********, ** is ****** ****** - **** ***********: less ********* ***********, ******** ***** ***** quality *** **** *****. ** **** or *** ****** ** ****** ** sell *** ** ***** ***** ******* or ***** *** *********, *** ****** always ** ******* **'* *** **** a ******* ****** ***** *** ****** about *** ******** (*.*., *** ******* is *****, *** ****/* *** *** compression ***** ** *** ** ** and *** ****** **** ***** ******* has **** ********, ***.)

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Sergio Guzman
•Aug 29, 2019
Pine Crest School • IPVMU Certified
In reply to John Honovich

***** ***, ****. ***'** **** * great *******. ***** ***** * *** of **** ******.

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Donna Whiteside
•Aug 29, 2019
In reply to Sergio Guzman

******, ****'** *** ********. **** *** cameras *** ********* **** **** ******** personnel ****** *** ***** ******* ***** to **********.

*****

U
Undisclosed #1
•Aug 30, 2019
In reply to Donna Whiteside

*** * **** ********. ** * was ** ********** * ***** ***, "It ** **** ** **" ** "its **** *** *********." ** "****, but * **** **** * ****** order". ** *** *** ********** * large ****** ** ******* ** ****, it ***** *** ** **** ** the ********** ** **** ***** *** end ** *** ******* ** *** say *** ***** *****. *** **** way ** ** ******* *** ****** you **** ******* *** **** **'* the **** ******* *** **** *********.

U
Undisclosed #4
•Aug 30, 2019
In reply to John Honovich

** * **** ***** *** *** right... **** ** ********** ************ *** can *** ** **********.

*******, *** *******, ** ** * decent ********* ** *** ********** ********** of *** (** **** ** *** also ******* **** **** ** *** to ** **** ** **** ***** applications - ***** ** *** ** what *** **** *****).

JH
John Honovich
•Aug 30, 2019
IPVM
In reply to Undisclosed #4

*******, *** *******, ** ** * decent ********* ** *** ********** ********** of ***

********** *** '**********' ** *********** ** fine. *** **** ** **** ******* mean ********* ****** ** ****, ** the ******* ****** ***** **** ******** from *****, ******, ***.

** ******* **** ***** **** ** that **'* ******* **** *** *********** want. ** *** *** **** **************, does **** **** ***** ** ***** or **** ***** ******. ****** ** precisely *** ************** ***** **** *** level *** **** **** **** ****** interpret ************* **** '**************' ***** ** them.

UI
Undisclosed Integrator #2
•Aug 26, 2019

**** ** ** ******** *** **********. You *** ***** ** ** ****. It ***** ** ******* **** *** may *** ** ******** ********* ** those **** ******* ** ** ************* of *** ******* ****** ** * camera ******. * ***** **** **** on ****.

* ***** ***** *** ************* ** adjust *** ******* ******** ** *** environment ** *** ****. ******** ****’* always *** ******* *******. **** **** said, * ***** **** *** ********* viewing ******** ***** **** ** ***** a ****** ** **** *** *** live *****, *** ****** *** ***-***** seen. **** * ******** **** ****. This ** ********* **** ** **** test.

* **** ************ ** ******* ** these *** *** ** **** *** choices **** ***** ******* ***** ****** brought ** * ******** *** ******* for ***** *****.

* **** ********* ****** ****** *** worst ******* *** ***** ***** *** brought ** * ******** ********* ** displaying *** ******* **********. ** ****** how ** ******** *** ******, *** image *** *** *****.

** * ******, *** ******** ******** 4MP ******* ** *** ****, *** output ******* ** *** ******* ** similar. * **** **, *** ** wasn’t ** **** *** **** ****.

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JH
John Honovich
•Aug 26, 2019
IPVM
In reply to Undisclosed Integrator #2

******** ****’* ****** *** ******* *******

****** *** ***-******** ************* ****** ** capturing *******. *** ***** *** **** brighter ** ****** *** ******* *** like *** ***** ****** **** *** but ****** **** ** **** ****** more ******* ** * **** ** license ***** ** ***** ******** ******.

** *** *** ***** * ******** and *** ***** ** *** ************* change ********, **** ****** **** *** and *** ****** ****** ***** ******** so *** **** ******* **** ** set, ****** **** *** ****** ******* it ** *** *** **** *** having ** ***** **** *** ******* or ******.

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U
Undisclosed #1
•Aug 26, 2019
In reply to John Honovich

**. *** ***** *** **** **** should ** **********, **? * **** if ******* * *** * ******* that ******* ***** ** ********* **** a ***** ***, *** ******* * occupies **** *** ** *****, * would ** ***** ****** * **** to *** *** **** *** *******, server *** ******* ********* -- ************ when **** ** ***** ******* **** eventually ** ** ****. ** **** should *** ********* ******* **?

JH
John Honovich
•Aug 26, 2019
IPVM
In reply to Undisclosed #1

** **** ****** *** ********* ******* be?

******* ********* ***'* *** ******** ********* settings (*.*., *** ** ******** *** not ***********, *.*.,*** ** *** ** *** - Surveillance *********). *** **** ** ******* ********* for *** *******, ****** *** *********** levels. ** **** ******* ******* *** more ********* *** **** **** ** investigate ** ** ** **** * variance ** *********** ** ********* **** cameras *** ****** ***** (**** ** the **** *****, **** *****, **** frame ****, ***.).

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U
Undisclosed #1
•Aug 26, 2019
In reply to John Honovich

*** *** *******. *** ** *** it ***********; ** **** ***** ****** the *** **** ** ********** "*********"? If *** ***** * *** ******* in * *** *** ******* *** the ***** *********, *** ** *** evaluation ******** ***** ** *** ********* used ** ******* * ***** **** setting.? **** ** ****, **** **** is * ***********.

JH
John Honovich
•Aug 26, 2019
IPVM
In reply to Undisclosed #1

**** ** ******* * ***** **** setting.?

*** **** ******'* ****, ****** ** not *** '**** *******'. **'* ** invitation *** ***** *** ******** ******. Either *** * *** ****** (******* it ** *, **, *****, ***.) or ******* * ***** ***** ** FoV ** * ******* ******** (********** of * **** ***** *** **** cares *****) *** **** ******* ***** on *********** *****.

**** ** ****, **** **** ** a ***********.

**** ** **** ***** *** ****** of **** ** **** *** *********** flawed *** ** *** ****** **** this *********** ** ** ********, *** need ** ****** *** *** ****** all *** **********.

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UI
Undisclosed Integrator #2
•Aug 26, 2019
In reply to John Honovich

*** ***** ** ** *******.

**** ******* ******* ** **** ** be ******* **** **** ************ ****** applied. ******* ****, *** **** ***** not ** ********. ** ****, **** cameras ******* ** **** *** **** the ****** **** **** ******* ********.

* ********* * ***** ********** **** Pelco ** *** **** ** ** brand ******* * ********** * ****** camera ** ***** * **** ***** couldn’t. *** *******, *** *******, *** right ***** *** ****.

******** ***** **** ******** *********** **** frame ****, **********, ***-**** *** (**** use) ****** * ****** ** *** scene. *** **** ***** ** *** manufacturer.

**** ** ********.

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JH
John Honovich
•Aug 26, 2019
IPVM
In reply to Undisclosed Integrator #2

**** ******* ******* ** **** ** be ******* **** **** ************ ****** applied.

***** **** ******* ************?

UI
Undisclosed Integrator #2
•Aug 27, 2019
In reply to John Honovich

*** *** **! ****, **** **. I ***** * ***** ******** ****** that ***** ******* ** **** ** interest.

**** **** *******, *** ***** *** cameras **** ******* **** *** ** WDR ******** ** * *******?

U
Undisclosed #1
•Aug 26, 2019
In reply to Undisclosed Integrator #2

******. * *****. * **** **** to *** ** **** **** ** all *** ************* ** *** ***** feedback ** ****. **** * **** try ** ** ** ******* *** set ** **** * ***, *.*. same ***** ** ********, **** ***, same ******** ** ****** **** *** same ****** ** ****. *** **** end ********** **** **** ** *** same *** ****.

** *** ****** * ******** ****** settings ** **** ** *** **** variable **** ***** ******.

UM
Undisclosed Manufacturer #3
•Aug 26, 2019

*** **** ** *******. ** *** manufacture *****'* **** **** ******* *** configuration ******* ** *****'* **** *** to *** ** ***** *** ******* for ******* **** ***********, ** **** only ** * ** **** ****** from *****.

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U
Undisclosed #1
•Aug 27, 2019
In reply to Undisclosed Manufacturer #3

** * ***'* ***** ************ ** each ************, ***** **** ** **** to * ************ *** *** ******** that **** *** ****** ******* ******?

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MR
Mike Rose
•Aug 27, 2019

******* ** ****** **********. ***** ** existing *** ***** ** *** ***** of *********. ** ** ** ******* years ***, ***** *** ** ********* for *** ****** ******* ** ***** cameras.

**** **** ******** ** ******** ** the *******.

* ***** **** ** * ***** folly

JH
John Honovich
•Aug 27, 2019
IPVM
In reply to Mike Rose

** ** ** ******* ***** ***, might *** ** ********* *** *** latest ******* ** ***** *******.

***** * ******* *** ******* ** not *********. ***** ***'* ****** ***** quality ** ** **** ** *** camera ********, ** *** ******** ** focused ** ***** *******, **** ****** be ****.

******** ** *** *******.

**** *** ** * ******* ** fixed ***** ****** ******* *** ***** used ***** ** *** ******* **** different *** **** *** ******* **** have ** ** ********* ** ********* the *****.

U
Undisclosed #1
•Aug 27, 2019
In reply to Mike Rose

**** *** ***** *** ** **? My ******* ** ** ****** * camera ******** ** ************ *** ***** number:

*. *** ****** *** ** ********. As * ******, ** *** ** differnt ******* ********* ** *** **** VMS.

*. ********** ** *** *** ***. This ********* ***** ***** ** ********* for **** **** *********.

*. ***** ** ** ******** *** that *** ******* **** ******* **.

*. ***** *** ** ********* *** this **** ** ******* **** * am ***** ** (**, ** *** know?) * *** ******* * ****** using *** **** ****, *** ** contract ***** *** ** ** **** a **** ******** ********* **** ***** all *** ************* *** *****.

*. * **** ** ***** ** the ******** **** *** ********* ** based ** ********* **** *** **********.

***** **** **** **** **** **** here--- *** ***** **** *** ****** tells ** ** ** ** *** one ** ****. ** ****** *** there *** **** ** * ****** way, *'* *** ****.

DW
Donna Whiteside
•Aug 28, 2019

***, *** *** ** * ******** slope. *** ****** **** ******* ** your *****; ****** ********** ************ **** be ** *** **** ******** **** the ******. ***** **** *** **** of * ***** ****** ** ***** literature.

*'** *** ***** ** **** *** invites ** *******, *'** *** ** a *'**' ******* ***** *** ***** off * **** ********. *** ******* are **** * **** ** *** test **** ***** ** ****. ******* set ** ***** ******* ***** ** startup *** ***'* ****** *** ********. All ******* *** ****** ****** *** recorded. ******* *** ***** ** ** to * ********** **** ***** *** the ******* *** ********* ** *** same ****, **** *** ** *** how **** ******* ******* ***** ***********. This ** ** *** *** *****, and *-* **** ** ****** *** the ***** ** ****** * ******.

**** ****: *** ********** ****** ***** a ******* ** ****** ** ********* rates ** ********** ** ****** **** of *** **********. **** *********: ****** light *********, ******* *******, ****** *****, dim ******** *** ****** ***** ********. Subject(s) **** ******* *** ****** ** resolution *** ** ******* ****** ********* conditions. *'** **** ********** ***** ** the ***. ** **** ***** ***** to ****** *****, ***'* *** *** IR *********** ******* *** ****** **** view ******* *** *****.

** ********** ***** ** **** ******* in ***** ****** **** ******** ***** situations. **** *** *** ******* *** our ****** ** ******. ** **' we **** ** ** **** ** recognize ******* **** ****** *****. ** have **** ****** ***** ****** ***** we *** ** ******** *****, ***** plays * **** ** **** ** its **** ** **** **** **** one ****** *** **** *******.

** **** **** * **** ******* VMS **** ***'* ******* **** **** pixel ***** **** **** * **** to ****** ********* *******.

***** ***** * **** *****-****** ******. I ****** **** **** ******* *** cameras **** ****-***** **** **** *** be ******** ********, *** **** ***** has ***** ****.

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U
Undisclosed #1
•Aug 30, 2019
In reply to Donna Whiteside

****** *****. ***** **** **** *** a **** ******* *** ******* *** you ****. *****, *** * **** a *** ** *********. *** ***** comments **** ****** *** ***** ** IPVM **** **** **** ** ***********.

*. *** **** ************* **** ** your ****?

*. *** *** *** *** ** for *** ****? *** ***** *********** have * ****?

*. *** *** *** *** **** back **** *** ************?

*. ********* *** ****** ******; *** did *** ****** *** ******** *** the **** *** *** *******?

*. *** ***** ** ** *** repeat **** **** ** ****** ********** of ***** ****** ****?

*. *** *** *** *** ** do *** **********? ** **** **** PPF ** *** *** **** **** one ************ ** *******; ** *** decides **** ** ** "************" *****?

*. **** ******** *** *** *** to ********* *** "**** *******" ?

*. *** *** * ****** ****** I **** **. *** *** **** purchasing ***** ******* **** ****?

*. ** ***** ** ********.**** ******** were ******** ** ** *** **** among *** ************?

**. **** ***** ******* **** **** to ********* *** ********** ************?

* ** * ********* ******* *** vested ******** ** *** *** ***********. In ****** ****, * **** ******* cameras ** ** ******** **** *** of ** ** ** *************. ** some *****, * ** *** ****** satisfied ** *** *******; ** * am **** ********** ** **** **********.

**, * *** ***** ** ** one ****** **** **** ** ****** such * **** (****, ****). ***** you ***** ****** **** **** ** test ******** **** ***** ** **** in **** ****.

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