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"If You Have Even ONE Chinese Product You Are A Hypocritical A**Hole, And My Bet Is You Have Many More Than One."

UI
Undisclosed Integrator #1
Nov 13, 2021

Tell me Robert. Where was the device from which you spewed that diatribe made in? Or your televisions? Your PC components? Half the stuff on your car? Your appliances? Shoes? The technological creature comforts you've gotten used to? If you have even ONE Chinese product you are a hypocrite, and my bet is you have many more than one (I was going to call you a hypocritical *sshole, but you have already established that you are very much the latter).

But I do very much enjoy the fact that I can get your blood pressure up so easily. Ten years ago I'd have been offended by your accusations, but now I just laugh at you and your ilk. Keep it comin!

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JH
John Honovich
Nov 13, 2021
IPVM

*** *** ** **** #*, *** are ******** *** ****.

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** * ***** **** * ******* ticket *** *** *** ***** *** against ****, ***** ***** *** **** have ****** *** ***?

* ** ********* ********** ** ************* this ********.

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UI
Undisclosed Integrator #1
Nov 14, 2021

*******, ****, ****** **** *** ******** about ********** ** ********** *** ******* regime ** ********** ******** **** *****. That's **** **** ****** *** ************* making **** ** ** *****. ***** Chinese ******* *** ********** **** *** to *** ***, *** ******* ******** can ** *********** *** **** ***********, so *** ***'* *** ******* ** ALL ******* ********?

**** ******* ** ********** ******* *** are ****** ** ******** ********. * better ******* ***** ** **** ****** is ******** ******* *** **** ***** industry *** ****** ****** *********, *** then *** * **** ****. ** a ***** **** * ******* ****** but **** ****** *** ***** ******* parking. ****** *** ***** ******* ******** while ******** *** ******* ****** *** using ******* ********, ** *** **** definition ** *********. ***** ****'* *** "no-CCP ********" ****** * ** * bit ******* ** **** *********.

*** ****** ******* **** *** ***** to **** *** *** ****** **** is ***** *** ** ******* ** of ****** ** **** ***** ******* to ***** *** *****'* **** ********* Robert's *****. * ** ******** *** anywhere **** **** ************ **** ** I'm **** *** *** ******, *** Robert's ********* ******* ****** ****** ** a *** ***** ****. *'* **** it's ****** ** **** ************* *** discussion *** ******.

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JH
John Honovich
Nov 14, 2021
IPVM

* ****** ******* ***** ** **** Robert ** ******** ******* *** **** drink ******** *** ****** ****** *********, and **** *** * **** ****. Or * ***** **** * ******* ticket *** **** ****** *** ***** illegal *******. ****** *** ***** ******* products ***** ******** *** ******* ****** and ***** ******* ********, ** *** very ********** ** *********. ***** ****'* new "**-*** ********" ****** * ** a *** ******* ** **** *********.

** *******, ** **** *******, ****'* you *** *** *** ** ******** a ***-**** ** **** * ***?

UI
Undisclosed Integrator #1
Nov 14, 2021

***** ****, ****'* ** *** ** I *** *** ***** **** **. You ***** *** ** *********** *** you *** ***. **** ******** *** you?

JH
John Honovich
Nov 14, 2021
IPVM

* ** ***** *******. * ** not ********. ** * **************** **** you **** / ******* *****?

***'* **** **** *** ***'*. ** point ** **** *** ******** *** make ("***'** * ********* *** ******* people ** ** ******* ******* * saw *** **** ******** * ****") is ******* *** **** ** ******* who **** *** ***** ** **** activity (*.*., *** *** *** **** that ****** * *** **** * day). **** **** **** ***** ** you?

* ** **** **** ***** ****** but * ** ******* ***** **** argument ***** * ** ******* ** the **** ****** ******** ***** ********** take ** ****.

RS
Robert Shih
Nov 14, 2021
Independent

** *** ******* ** **** ***'** generalizing *** ***'* **** *** *** specificities ** ****** *** *** *** have * ***** ************* ** *** first *****. ******* ********** ** *** the **** ** ****** ********* ** a *******.

** **** ************** ** **** *** think ** ** ** *****, **** I'd **** *** ******* ** **** ship *** **** ********* ** *********** in *** ***** ***** *** ** to *** ***** ********. ** *** very ***** *'* **** ** **** inside ********* **** ****'** ******* ***** and ******* ***** ******* *** ***** to ******* ** *****.

****'* ** ************* ** *** *******. Personally, *'* ****** **** **** ** and ********* *** ********** *** ****** a ********** ****** **** *** **** speech *** *********, *** **** ***** require * ***** ** ***** ****'* also *** ********** *** ** ** expect ** ** ****** ********.

*** ** ***** **** *** ***** specific ************ *** ********* *** *** not ** ******* ** *** ****** idea ** **** "****** ******* *********** is ********** ********". ****** ** ******** and ***** *** **** ******* ** consider. **** **** ** * **** post, ** *'** **** *** **** important ******/*********.

*. *******,Huawei ********* *** ********* *** **** ******* ******** ** *** ******* ********** *** *** ***/********** ***** ****** *********** ****** ** ***** *********. Thus decisions within these companies are directly for the sake and benefit of the government and the ruling party. They are both complicit and have motives beyond profit. Additionally, a greater **** ******* ********** ** ***** ******** *** *********** ********** ** *** *****. Dahua is different as a privately own company, but they are still a major customer of Huawei Hisilicon and implement their chips en masse, which still contributes to the issue.

******* ** ******** ******* *** *** of ********* *** *****, * **** rally ******* *** *** ** ****** phones *** *** ***** ****** **** use *** ********* ***** *******. ****, I **** ******** ********** ** **** point.Not *** ******* **** *********** *** ***** ** *********** *** ** ****** **, ********** **, *** *********** ********** ** *** ******* ********** ** ****** (** ********* *** **** ******) **. I still focus on buying those specific products that avoid this problem. For that reason, I also prefer Intel wireless chipsets to anything else for these reasons.

**'* **** **** ******** ******* *******. When *** ******** *****'* *****, * moral ****** ****** ** ****** * change ***** *** *** **** ******** and **** *** *** ********* ** catch ** ** **** ***. ** the ********, **** ****** ***** **** actively ******** *** *********** ** *** industry ** * *****, ****** **** settle *** *** ****** ***. *** day, *******, ****-***** ****** *** *** segment ** *** **** ******** **** can ******* **** *** ******** ******* farmed ********.Wanting **** ** ** ****** **** ******* ********* **-** ***** *** ****'* ******* **** *** *** ** ** ***** ** ******* ***** *** ******* ** **** ****** *** ********* ****** **** *** ***** ** *** *******.

*.Hikvision, *****, ******, *** ******* (*** ******* *** *********) ******** ****** ********, **********, *** ********* ******* ** *** ******* *********** ************** ** *** ******** ************* *****. They have yet to real face consequences from these actions. Personally, while I don't believe outright bans are appropriate for the privately held companies, the conditions I'd place on them to rebuild trust with the international community and make up for their amoral business choices would amount to the same effect since I don't expect them to meet those standards. Thus, I'll take the ban since it achieves the same primary goal of creating consequences.

****, ********* *** ***** ****'* **** bother, ** *** **** ****, ** separate ********** ** *** ******** ****** capacity, ** ******** ********** **** *** primary ****** ** ****** **** *** of ***** ******* *****. ******, ** specificity, ** *** ******* ****** ** all ** **** ****** ** ** do *** **** * *** *** and ********** ******* ********* *** ************ 5G ************** ********* ****** *** *****, providing **** ******** ****** ** *** cell ***** ************** ******** ** *** entire *****.

*. ***** **** ** *** *** of *** ****** *****, *** *** is ***** *********** *** ***** ******** and **** ***** * ***** *** willful ********** ** ****** *** **** actions ******* ****** **** **** *********** to ***** **** ** *****. ****,giving ******** **** ****** ********* ***** **** ***** *** ********** ** *** ******* ******** ** *** ***** ** ******* *** *** *** **** ** *** *******. This specifically applies to NICs, WLAN Chips, and SoCs where this potential security concern exists. I definitely make sure not to propagate this problem with my purchases and implementations. Huawei Hisilicon poses the greatest risk based on their ownership and their target markets. This ** ** ******** ** *** ******** ********* **** **** ** ***** ** **** ** ***** ************'* ******** *** ******** ********* ** **** *** ** ******** *** *********.

*. ********* **** ** **** ***** on ***** *** ***** **** *** first *******, *'* **** **** ** point *** ****the ****** ** . Thus, companies that are less impactful than Hikvision, Dahua, and Huawei with a smaller footprint in the market are not collectively going to feed China's war machine and concentration camp apparatus. However, *****-*** ********* **** *** *** **** ****** ****** ** *** *** ********** ******** ** ****** ** ******** **** ******* *** ***** **********. Also, these taxes still go to more than just the evils that the CCP perpetrate. They still have a country to run in the meantime.

*.Finally, *** **** ***** ***'* **** ** *** ******* *** *** *********** (while it is a problem in the periphery)with ****** ******* ********. *** **** ***** ** **** *** ******** ******* ********* ** **** **** ********* *** **** ********** ** *****'* **** ********* ******** (cyberwarfare implications, concentration camps, surveillance state control of their own population, etc.)than *** ** *** ***** ****** ********* ********.

In ***, ***** ******** *********, ** ******* ** ****** *** *** **** ** *** ******* *** **** ****** ******* ******** (everyday lifestyle or electronics)does *** ******** **** *** ****** *'** **** ***** *** ***, *** ******* **********, *** ******** ** *** ********** ********. Also, learn to debate the points, not just cry about who's making them.

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RS
Robert Shih
Nov 13, 2021
Independent

******* *********** ********** ******** *** ** effective ******* ************* ************, *****? **********, when **'* **** * ******* ******* against ** ****** *******'* ******** *** not ******* ********* **** *** *** perpetrators ** ********* ********.

******* *****, *'* ************ ********* **** diatribe ******* ********* **** *** ******** contributing ** ************* *****.

************ **** *** **** *** *** this ********. *** **** ******* ****** for * *** ******* *** ***** equivalency. *** ****** ** ***** ****** worthy ***** *** *****, *** *********.

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UI
Undisclosed Integrator #2
Nov 13, 2021

**** ****** **** *** *************.

** ******, ** ** ******** ******* that ******* ** ********* *** ********'* argument ** ********* *** ********'* *** personal ******** *** ******* ** ***** inconsistent **** ***** ********, ********* ******** hypocrisy.

* **** **** **** **** ** the ********* ******* (******** ****):

** ** * ******* ******* ******** ********* ** ******* ** *** opponent *** ********* ************ *** ***** ** *** ********. It ** ***** **** ** * red ******* ****** *** ** * special **** ** *** ** ******* fallacy

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JH
John Honovich
Nov 14, 2021
IPVM

*** * ***** **** ** ** more **** ****. * ***** ** sympathetic ** ** ******** **** "****** Killer *** *** ** ******** ** lecture ****** ****** ******* ** *** killing ******." * ** *** ***** to ******* ****** ******* *** * can *** *** ******* ***** ** angry ** ***.

** **** ****, *** ****** ** for * ****** *** ***** *****, by *** *********, ** *** "**** you **** * ***** *** **** in ***** *** ** **** **** China *****, ** ** *** *** same *** *** ****** **** **." This *** ****** *** **** ****** Hikua ****** ** *********** *******.

****'* *** * ******* ** ** a ****** *** ****** *** ***** of **** ***** ***** ******* ******* who *** *** **** * **** that ** *** ** ***** ** advocate ****** *******. ** ** * deflection *********.

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David Coles
Nov 26, 2021

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Mark Palka
Nov 26, 2021
IPVMU Certified

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