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Come On Engineers & Architects Get It Together Already!

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Shannon Davis
Aug 10, 2023
IPVMU Certified

This industry is really starting to test my patience, resolve, my want to with crap like this. How hard is to put out a spec that is at least somewhat current and accurate. Crazy because when we put a bid together we are expected to decode the overly cryptic, loose, ridiculous, OLD, typos, laziness and so on and so on and if you win the project you expect us to be accurate and provide and fully functioning system yet you can't even copy & paste from another spec that was written within the last 15+ years!!!

I get there are always mistakes going to be made in a spec or some parts aren't quite current since models of products change so frequently these days but come on. Circa 1990's still???? We get this crap from a recent spec. IP cameras are in the spec but nothing to hook them to.

* **** **!

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Brian Rhodes
Aug 10, 2023
IPVMU Certified

**** ********* ** ** ******* ** 'Living *** *****'.

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** ** **********, ******** **** **** would *** ** ******** '** *** submitted' ******** ****** *** * ****** summary ** ***; ***** ********** **** 'This ************* ***** *** ****** ** the ****** *** **** *** ******** obsolete, *********** ********** **** ***.'

* *** ****** **** *** ******** opened *** **** *** * ************ rather **** ************* *** **** *** a ****** ** *****. **** ***** writing *** '**** ** ** ****-**** specification' ******.

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UE
Undisclosed End User #1
Aug 10, 2023

*** ** **** ** *** ***

U
Undisclosed #2
Aug 11, 2023

* ****** *** **** **** *** paid *** *** ****.

* **** * ********** *** ** A&E **** ***'* **** ** ** because * "*****" ***** *****.

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UI
Undisclosed Integrator #3
Aug 11, 2023

* **** *** ** **** ** A&E ** ********** *** ** ***** a ****. * ****** *** *** copy/paste ***** ******** ***** **** ** plumbing (******* ******...*** ***** ** ******* change?) *** *** *** ***** **** everyone *** ***** ******* ***** ******* every * ****** ** **********. ***** oil ******** *** ********** ******. **** better ** **** *** **** **** out ** ***** ** *** ******** on ***** ********. **** ******** **** squirm.

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UI
Undisclosed Integrator #4
Aug 11, 2023

*** **** **** *** ***** *****.

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UM
Undisclosed Manufacturer #5
Aug 11, 2023

***** *&* * **** ** ** constantly ****** ** ***** *** ****. Most ** ***** ******** ****** **** A&Es ****** *** ******* ** ******** every ****** **** ** ***** ****** product ** ***** ****** ******** ** the *****.

****, ***** *** **** *&** (**** like ***** *** **** ************* *** distributors *** ***********), *** ***** *** overwhelmed *&** *** *** ** ***** too **** (******* ****** ** ******* the ****** *** *** ******* *** the ***** *** *** ***** *** the **** ******** *** **** ***** aspect ** *** ***** *** ******* systems!), *** **** *&** * **** with *** ******* ** *** ****** me ********* ***** ************ *** ***** and **** *** ********.

**** ***** *** *** *** ****. Do *** **** *** **** ***** somebody ***** ** ** *** * bid **** ********, **** *** *** bid **** ** ** **** * drawer *** ***** *** *****, ***** which **** **'* ********? **** **** once * *** ** **** **** a *** **** *** ******** ** my *********** * ****** *** ** more.

*** ***** **, **** *******, *** it's ******* *** ******* ** ****** or ************.

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U
Undisclosed #6
Aug 11, 2023

*** ********** ******* *** **** ** old ******** ********* *** ************. * thorough ******** **** ***** ***** *** masters *** ****** *** *********** *** each *******'* ************. *'** **** ********** use *** **** ********** ******** ** try ** ******* *** ** *** 28 ** ***** ******** - ****'** even ***** ** *** *** ********/******* that *********** **** ** ********** ********.

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Shannon Davis
Aug 14, 2023
IPVMU Certified

** ***** **** **** ********** *** is *** **** ** **** * few ***** **** *** **** *** the ******* **** ** *** ***** spec. **** ** **** **** **** a **** ** *** *&*. * see ***** ***** *** *** **** and ******* **** ***** ** ***, sometimes ******* * *** *** **** takes *** ****.

*** ****** ******* ******* ** ****** as ***. **** ** **** * few.

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UI
Undisclosed Integrator #7
Aug 17, 2023

"********* *.*-**** ****** ****,"

**** ****** **** **** *** *** need ** **** ** **** *** don't **** *** **** ** **** project. ***'* ******, ***'** ******** **** to **** **** **** ** ** regards ** **** ******* ** *** road *** ****'** ******* ***** *** their *********. **** *** ** ***** right?

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Robert Shih
Aug 29, 2023
Independent

**** ***** ** **** ** ********** 8 ****** *** ***** ********* ** this *****.

UM
Undisclosed Manufacturer #8
Aug 17, 2023

***...** *** ***** ** ****. ***** me ***** **** * *** **** stuff. *** * *** ** ***** a ***.

***** ** *****, ** *** ******* cable.***** ** **** *** ** ****** . ** ******.

RS
Robert Shih
Aug 29, 2023
Independent

*** ***** ** ************* * ***** come **** **** *** ****** **** wrote ****...

**'* *** * ***'* **** ** end *****.

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Shannon Davis
Aug 28, 2023
IPVMU Certified

*** ******* **** *** *** ***!

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Jerome Miller
Aug 29, 2023

** ***** *** ****** *** ** simplified **** ** ******* * ****** of ******/****** **** *** ********** *** requiring ***** ****** *** ******** **** is *** ** *** **** ** the ****** ***** ** *** ** alternate. *** *** *** *** ***** sometimes ******* ** **** *** *** speck ****** **** *** ***** *********** and ********** * ******* ********* *******.

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Zachary Hamm
Sep 06, 2023

*** ******** ** ** ***** ** be ********* **** ** *** **** 80's *** **'* ***** *************/********** *** more ********** ***** ***** ** ******* "turn ***", ******* *** ********** ** consultants. **** ******* *** ** *** reason. **'* *** ***, ** * consultant * ******* ** *** ***** to * ******* ****** **** *** parties *** ** *** **** **** and ********* **** **** ** ********. Whatever **** ********'* ******* *** ****** is, ** ****** ** **** ** that *** **** ******* ***** *****.

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