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Camera Mounting Pole - Metal Light Pole Vs. Wooden Utility Pole

UI
Undisclosed Integrator #1
Feb 28, 2018

Hi guys,

Which option is more preferable for mounting cameras on? Height of cameras 20-25' off of the ground.

 

Metal light pole or wooden utility pole?

No poles exist yet.

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Brian Rhodes
Feb 28, 2018
IPVMU Certified

Metal is easier to install and will last longer in use.  Utility poles are wood based on price and 'disposability' because utility companies routinely replace them and often own forests that grow them.

But for surveillance work, aluminum or steel poles are easy enough to install (via poured footings) and last decades.  

Here are a couple of guides that may help:

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UI
Undisclosed Integrator #1
Feb 28, 2018

Thanks Brian,

I'll check out those links.

 

JH
Jay Hobdy
Feb 28, 2018
IPVMU Certified

We always use metal but only go around 14' to 16'. I think metal will look better if you do a black powder coated pole, plus you can put all your lines inside the pole.

A metal pole may be easier to install due to weight. A 25' wooden pole from the ground to the top may mean a 30' to 35' pole and that joker is going to be heeaavvyy...

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Sean Patton
Mar 01, 2018

Earned a Funny for referring to a wooden pole as "that joker".

Also utility poles last as long as they do because they're coated in some really foul chemicals. Without those chemicals, the life of the wooden pole is going to be reduced - much dependent on the climate. With the chemicals, they're really nasty and a pain to deal with for service.

U
Undisclosed #2
Mar 01, 2018

to be fair though, Sean....

you live in one of the US's most foul weather areas along the southeastern shores of the Great Lakes.

Snow/-10F temps/Ice/Salt/Thaw/Repeat over and over again between early Oct and mid April.

Is the foul chemical applied to wooden poles something used to combat your eskimo weather or is it a universal thing? Do they do the same thing with wooden poles in New Mexico or Washington state?

I really don't know... :(

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Sean Patton
Mar 01, 2018

I think the chemicals have more to do with insect/animal damage than environmental rot. I'm pretty sure its rather universal in its use; however I can only speak for the large Telco that I worked for, and the dread of wearing long sleeve flannel all summer...

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Brian Rhodes
Mar 01, 2018
IPVMU Certified

from: Preservative Choices for Wood Utility Poles

The most prevalent wood preservative utilized for poles in service is pentachlorophenol (penta). Approximately 63 percent of poles are treated with this preservative, followed by CCA (16 percent), creosote (16 percent), copper naphthenate (3 percent) and ammoniacal copper arsenate or ammoniacal copper zinc arsenate (1 percent).

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Undisclosed #2
Mar 01, 2018

nice OGB - I also embarked on a google learning experience and found this:

Pole materials[edit]

Most utility poles are made of wood, pressure-treated with some type of preservative for protection against rot, fungi and insects. Southern yellow pine is the most widely used species in the United States; however, many species of long straight trees are used to make utility poles, including Douglas fir, jack pine, lodgepole pine, western red cedar, and Pacific silver fir.

Traditionally, the preservative used was creosote, but due to environmental concerns, alternatives such as pentachlorophenol, copper naphthenate and borates are becoming widespread in the United States. In the United States, standards for wood preservative materials and wood preservation processes, along with test criteria, are set by ANSI, ASTM, and American Wood Protection Association(AWPA) specifications. Despite the preservatives, wood poles decay and have a life of approximately 25 to 50 years depending on climate and soil conditions, therefore requiring regular inspection and remedial preservative treatments.[4][5][6] Woodpecker damage to wood poles is the most significant cause of pole deterioration in the U.S.[7]

Other common utility pole materials are steel and concrete, with composites (such as fibreglass) also becoming more prevalent. One particular patented utility pole variant used in Australia is the Stobie pole, made up of two vertical steel posts with a slab of concrete between them.

In southern Switzerland along various lakes, telephone poles are made of granite. Starting in the early 1900s, these 18-foot (5 m) poles were originally used for telegraph wires and later for telephone wires. Because they are made of granite, the poles last indefinitely.[8]

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Undisclosed #2
Mar 01, 2018

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Brian Rhodes
Mar 01, 2018
IPVMU Certified

Creosote is nasty stuff. Tar-like and leeches out onto everything. Wind blows gobs of it everywhere near a pole.

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Sean Patton
Mar 01, 2018

I'm guessing these arent going to help much on those old Switzerland poles...

Do we have any members from Switzerland who can take a picture of a Granite telephone pole? A quick search of google reveals nothing...

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Brian Rhodes
Mar 01, 2018
IPVMU Certified

Granite telephone pole = 'heavy joker'

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Sean Patton
Mar 01, 2018

Also known as an "obelisk" in some cultures...

U
Undisclosed #2
Mar 01, 2018

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Brian Rhodes
Mar 01, 2018
IPVMU Certified

TIL the Romans used telephones?

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U
Undisclosed #2
Mar 01, 2018

stop making me look up your hipster initialisms

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Sean Patton
Mar 01, 2018

Commas, are our, friend

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Sean Patton
Mar 01, 2018

That's a scan of a drawing... and whats the speed limit on that road? I need to know how many cones I need to dig out of the back of my van.

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Brian Rhodes
Mar 01, 2018
IPVMU Certified
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