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What Face Recognition Has VMS Integration, Open API, And Good Accuracy?

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Frederick Jacobs
Jul 18, 2018
Visuatech

We are searching for a face recognition that suits the options below.

- Integrated with the biggest VMS's

- Open true API/SDK to communicate with the database

- good accuracy in a small field of view (looking at and entrance)

Any feedback would very helpful.

Thanks.

 

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John Honovich
Jul 18, 2018
IPVM

Frederick, How much do you want to pay? Do you want real-time alerting? Or just searching? And for 'biggest VMS's', what do you mean? Genetec? Milestone? Others?

There's an explosion of facial recognition offerings so if you can share more info on what you want, that would help.

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Frederick Jacobs
Jul 19, 2018
Visuatech

Hi John,

Thanks for the feedback. It need to be for real time alerting when a person on the "black or white list" enters again. 

VMS: Genetec, Milestone, Excaq vision. 

For price i see a lot different offerings. The more expensive, more accuracy and more face matches per second. Or is their more that is different/better?

Camera's will be installed at an entrance zoomed in on the faces that are entering.

Getting access to the database true the API/SDK is also very important. 

Because i see that most face recognition modules are working with a price for the license and the database i think this is the most difficult part?

 

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John Honovich
Jul 19, 2018
IPVM

For price i see a lot different offerings. The more expensive, more accuracy and more face matches per second. Or is their more that is different/better?

The big price problem is that face recognition offerings range from effectively free to thousands of dollars per camera (e.g., Anyvision, Herta, NEC, etc.).

The ones though that have real documented APIs and VMS integration are going to be quite expensive.

Briefcam recently announced facial recognition. How good it is, I don't know but it does have mature VMS integrations and a REST API.

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Undisclosed #1
Jul 19, 2018

Hi Frederick,

I posted earlier but it was removed for being to vague and uninquisitive.

This is my second approach and by no means am I promoting my suggestion, I only have experience with their pricing and deployment in which I will leave to you to engage and purpose on your own will.

In regards to integrations: Milestone & Genetec have been "integrated" however if you were to consult the manufacturer I will link at the end they can describe how their client versus a VMS client is utilized.

In regards to API/SDK integration, said below company utilizes Linux, Linux containers LXC/Docker. MongoDB NoSQL file system, j.son file apparatus all which are based on application(fulcrum AI) and client functionality and maintenance. This said, those systems needing web provisioned access as an API/SDK with a MongoDB is agnostic in nature and common amongst todays current deployed curriculums.

In regards to the small field of view. I will state that all analytic features ARE dependent on FOV, distance to subject, mounting elevations and resolutions. Those should be the defacto baselines analyzed and proofed prior to settling on any AI subject for software rendering. In other words, the installation may need to tailor to AI applications as some lobby, or entrance type camera FOVs are not accurate for the AI algorithm performance. No one wants to see bald people analytics over time.

This is my non promotional suggestion in which you will have to click the link to reach out and engage your own research, possibilities, references and of course pricing matrix. This is my second attempt to post the link, I hope the forum moderators see that I am not promoting this company only suggesting as that is what you have requested "Any suggestions for face recognigiton…" I am suggesting this company because all of the predecessor analytic companies I have experience in are outdated and not worth the mention. Here you go:

https://vintra.io/

Good Luck!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Carlo Kuijer
Jul 19, 2018

Herta will be the best possible solutions

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Undisclosed Manufacturer #2
Jul 19, 2018

Have a look at ntechlab

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John Honovich
Jul 19, 2018
IPVM

ntechlab's product offering for video surveillance appears to be FindFace Security, though the website has no details on VMS integration or APIs.

Related, from Bloomberg: Moscow Deploys Facial Recognition to Spy on Citizens in Streets, Nteclab is listed as the supplier.

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Skip Cusack
Jul 19, 2018

Frederick, I would gravitate towards an FR vendor that tightly integrates their software to the camera (and lighting, etc.) or at least can speak in detail about this. Too many vendors just "throw the software over the wall" and leave the rest up to the integrator. For the application you describe, you'll presumably want high accuracy (FR<.1%, FA<.1%), quick response (<1sec), database of 100s (black and white lists), day & night operation and resiliency to changing ambient lighting (as the sun moves during the day, as the lights come on a night, etc.). 

The software must work hand in glove with the hardware and engagement dynamics. 

2D based systems reached an inflection point of diminishing improvements some time ago, and newer technologies (e.g., RGB-D Cameras) offer the next leap in robust automated Face Recognition.

Good luck! 

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Pedro Navalpotro
Jul 19, 2018
IPVMU Certified

Herta and NEC works both quite well.

Regards

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Andrew DeMattos
Jul 20, 2018
IPVMU Certified

I’ve been liking what I see from Anyvision. 

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