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Does Anyone Have Experience With Anyvision?

UI
Undisclosed Integrator #1
May 15, 2018

I've been hearing a lot about a "newcomer" to the Facial Recognition platform, AnyVision.  I know they've been around for a little while, but couldn't find anything on here or much on the web (outside of marketing bs) about them.  Does anyone have any experience with the company?  Does anyone also have any updates on facial recognition/enrollment with regards to the new Biometric laws that some states are now enforcing?  I would love to see an article comparing different facial recognition companies.  Also something addressing all the requirements behind them.   Generally a customer tells me "I saw this demo, and it's amazing, why aren't we using this?"  I have to show them the hidden costs (of servers, higher end cameras and added lighting usually needed) and reliability in real world environments compared to in the demo.

 

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John Honovich
May 18, 2018
IPVM

I reached out to the company a few days ago, spoke with one employee, waiting for a formal response. Thanks for asking!

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Michael Miller
Jun 09, 2018

Any updates?

JH
John Honovich
Jun 09, 2018
IPVM

Thanks for bumping this. They did not respond. I emailed them again just now. Either way, we will do a post on them this week since they are hiring salespeople at a rate nearly unprecedented for a video surveillance startup (see Anyvision USA employees on LinkedIn).

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John Honovich
Jun 12, 2018
IPVM

Update: We had a call with them today. Planning on another call within the next week and then a post.

Suffice to say, they are very, very ambitious. How real it is, I don't have a sense yet.

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Daniel Cyr
Jun 15, 2018
Sirix Video Monitoring Central

I have been implementing and testing many solutions for the past 5 years and although I've found some solid players such as NEC, Axxon & Herta, I still have some requirements that are not met and for what I have gotten so far from one of their reps the solution seems it all on top of having one of the best recognition rate in the market... If you look at the profile of some of the employees they have brought aboard in the past weeks/months, it looks very promising. Can't wait to see a post on this company and the solution, I'm actually anxious and excited!!

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John Honovich
Jun 15, 2018
IPVM

If you look at the profile of some of the employees they have brought aboard in the past weeks/months, it looks very promising.

Daniel, thanks. One of the questions we are trying to solve is what their real technological background / strengths are.

I do agree with you that they have hired a number of experienced, reputable salespeople, but that, by itself, does indicate actual product strengths. Have you heard or seen actual specifics about their technology beyond their marketing claims?

Also, my second concern, which I did express to them, was that hiring lots of salespeople at once as a startup, significantly increases risk if they struggle at all with product market / fit, they are going to have very stressed out, unhappy salespeople while burning significant money.

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Daniel Cyr
Jun 15, 2018
Sirix Video Monitoring Central

For now, indeed this is all talk and marketing I agree with you. I will deploy their solution and test it out in the next couple of days in a real environment and will get you some information.  They were referred to us by a top manufacturer in the industry which highly recommended them and boasting about the high level of positive match they had. Is this too good to be true... we'll see :)

UM
Undisclosed Manufacturer #2
Jun 12, 2018

They're hiring some legitimate talent, like Danny Peleg and Brian Krause, so it doesn't look like it's being half-assed.  Maybe they got something...

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UM
Undisclosed Manufacturer #3
Jun 29, 2018

Hired a couple Avigilon performers as well.

UI
Undisclosed Integrator #1
Jun 29, 2018

Just bumping this again.  I'm working on scheduling my first meeting, through the magic of linkedin I've been able to get a hold of a few of their sales people.  I'll update on what I see too.

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John Honovich
Jun 29, 2018
IPVM

#1, I met with them at IFSEC and we had a follow-up call this week. We'll post it the week after next to avoid the abbreviated 4th of July week.

Here's key findings:

  • Relative to Dahua and Hikvision, it actually seemed to work pretty well. No face captures of the back of people's head, a more polished UI, and from checking its performance on me over 3 days, it worked fairly well (many matches, no mismatches even when searching). This is of course not a real test but a positive sign was that I did not see any immediate glaring problems that are common in many systems.
  • It's expensive. They are charging thousands per camera so it's going to have solve real crimes /  catch actual bad guys fairly regularly to justify the cost.
  • They are quite aggressive so beware them overselling. Also, since the sales team is so new they are not going to have a lot of hands-on experience yet themselves. On the positive side, they did handle our push back on their claims maturely and thoughtfully so if you are thorough, and I recommend you be, they should be able to handle. 
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Paul Grefenstette
Jul 12, 2018

John, we will be setting up a pilot this month bringing in cameras from the streets of Chicagoland for a police client of ours to get a real world feel for what this can do.  I have seen the demo and we had some fun with the technology in our office but if this can ID people from street cameras effectively I have a lot of police clients that would be very interested.

Stay tuned.

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Chris Anderson
Jan 15, 2019

Hi Paul

Did you have a chance to run the demo?  Any feedback from your LE clients?

 

Thanks

Chris

UI
Undisclosed Integrator #4
Jan 15, 2019

I'm not the original poster, but we just completed a demo of their system in one of our retail stores. I myself, as the lowly technician was quite impressed. My managers were all quite impressed as well.

My bosses boss was the one who saw them at a trade show, possibly the same one John met them, I can't recall. One of the Vegas shows. We operate casinos and several retail stores, and I guess AnyVision is in a few vegas casinos.

We trialed it on our most robbed store, that was also under going construction, using two existing cameras. We did have some issues with the one camera at first, but the folks at AnyVision were quick to help us tweak the settings. They also did remind us quite frequently that were were operating on a loaner laptop (Though a Alienware one), performance would be hindered because of that.

We just added a few employees to the watch list (as well as many images of real people we were looking out for), and then had them walk in and out of the store several times through out the period we had the demo.

The success rate for capture was pretty good. I myself have facial hair and glasses, and noticed if I used a higher resolution image of myself, just about anyone with a beard and glasses would get picked up as me. Less so if an image captures from the actual camera onsite was used as the reference, but it still happened.We did get several misses, but that went down after some tweaks with AnyVision on the phone. Our employees were also doing a lot of things to intentionally fool the system. Wearing sunglasses, putting on a hat or a hood, looking down at their phone, things like that.

We even managed to get positive ID's of some actual people on our real watch list, from shitty images originally captured who knows where. Of course we were not live monitoring the system (Limitations with our IT department, nothing to do with AnyVision), so it served us no good stopping the person from robbing us, but in a live scenario the managers seem to think it would.

Either my boss heard this, or maybe I even saw it somewhere, there was a claim they can capture from any camera and any angle, but during our demo they did indicate optimal viewing is between 0 and 15 degrees. One of the cameras we trialed it on was at about a 18 degree viewing angle, if my math is right.

I didn't see pricing myself, but from what I hear John is right, it is quite expensive. You don't have to buy hardware (servers) from them, but their spec requirement is quite high so equipment costs will be high. A really good GPU is needed, we're looking at just doing two cameras per store and were recommended a minimum 6GB of GPU memory.

The software was pretty easy to use, from my point of view. A lot of initial setting up and tweaking, and I would even consider a burn in period. Maybe that's standard for Ai stuff, but this was my first foray into anything AI. For the first week or two there was a lot of tweaking to make things just right. We've even found we will probably need to move some of our cameras if we go with the system, catching a lot of side shots of peoples faces, because of how they enter the store and where the camera is. But again, that doesn't have too much to do with AnyVision, we were still getting positive hits on our test subjects with side shots.

Towards the end we tried putting in a higher resolution camera for our entry one and started picking up a puddle on the ground as a face. The image did sort of look like a face? You could see what looked like a nose, and eyes, and a weird little puddle mouth. I think that just comes down to needing to tweak things and go back quite often after the set up to verify as the new camera sat working over a weekend before it started picking up puddles as faces.

Everyone I personally spoke with at AnyVision claimed they were coming out with a new version of the software that would add a lot of features people were asking for. Of course I lost my notes as to what that was, it sounded like quite the update to their software. Better user permissions, auditing and stuff like that. As the engineer I spoke to called it, the "less sexy things". A more of an engineer update, vs a sales update.

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Undisclosed #5
Jan 15, 2019

I was able to conduct a day-long demo in a very dense environment and was overall very impressed. I received zero assistance (nor requested any) in either the setup (beyond their documentation) or configuration of any of it, and it worked fairly well straightaway and got better as I learned how to tweak it.

Based on my calculations for what a realistic system will cost to deploy, the best summary of it is just shy of a King's ransom. That said, this may be the first platform I've seen that can come anywhere close to actually justifying that cost based on how well it worked in my one-day demo.

I can't provide a lot more information than that, but if anyone has any questions, John can put you in touch with me outside of here and I will respond if I can.

Also, just to be clear, I have zero affiliation with or connection to Anyvision whatsoever.

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Michael Miller
Jan 15, 2019

We have been running AnyVision for over a month on our demo system in a city environment with over 12,000 faces detected.  We have it running on intercoms, standard dome cameras, and PTZ cameras.  Overall it is very impressive we are getting faces 150-175ft out at night time with the PTZ cameras on a city street.  We will be doing more POCs with some customers in the upcoming weeks but overall I am very impressed with AnyVision. 

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