"Responding To RFPs Is A Waste Of Time" Agree? Disagree?

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Brian Rhodes
•Dec 27, 2023
IPVMU Certified

I spoke to a local (North Texas) integrator who said:

We don't respond to RFPs (Request for Proposal/Prices) anymore, even if invited. Responding to RFPs is a waste of time.

**** ********* **, *** *** ***** was **** *********** *** ********* *** such ***-*********** ***** *** *** ********** biased ** **** *** **** ******* them *** ********** ** **** ** almost *********.

*********** *******, ********** ** ********** ***********, still *** **** *************/******** ****** *** response ** ***** *******.***:

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********, ********** ************ **** *** ** get ************* **** ** ***** ** new *********.

* ** *** ***** ****-********** ** RFPs *** **** **** * ******** way ** **** ***** *************, *** this ********** *** ******* **** **** the ***** ****.

** *** *****?

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Undisclosed Integrator #1
•Dec 27, 2023

**’* * ******** ******** ***** ** the ******* ************. **** ********* **** estimators **** ** ******* *** ******* to ***’* *** ******** ******* ***** conducive ** **.

*** **** **** *** *** ***.

**’* ****** ****** **** *** ***** the *************, ** **** ************* ******* does.

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Brian Rhodes
•Dec 27, 2023
IPVMU Certified
In reply to Undisclosed Integrator #1

**’* ****** ****** **** *** ***** the *************, ** **** ************* ******* does.

*************, * ****** ********* ** ********** to **** ** ********** ** ***** and ************ ******** ********** ** **** with *** **** ********* ****** **** integrators *** ******* ** ****. *** do *** **** ** *** **** or * *********** **** *******? ** there * ******* ****?

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Undisclosed Integrator #1
•Dec 27, 2023
In reply to Brian Rhodes

******** ** *******. ******** ****** *** promote ******** *** ***** *******. ********* provide ******* ** ***** **** *****.

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Brian Karas
•Dec 27, 2023
Pelican Zero

** *** *** **** **** ****** chasing ****** **** **** *** * higher *** *****, **** **** ** going ** ** * ****** *** of **** ****.

* ***** ******* ** **** *** not ****** ******* *** *********** ****, the ********* ****** ** ******* ********, and ****'** **** ******* ****** ** say **** *** ******** ******. **** there *** *** **** **** *** so ****** ******* *** ***'* ********** bid ** **** **** ** *** wanted.

* ***** ***** **** *** **** majority ** *********** ***** ****** ** no **** ******* *** ******* ****** RFPs.

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Undisclosed Integrator #2
•Dec 27, 2023

*** ***** *** ******* ** ***** on ***** *** ** **** ****, it ** ******. ******* ****** *** an ***** *** ** *** *** not **** ******* **** **'* * waste ** ****. **'* * **** and * ***** ** **** *** anyone *** **** *** **** *** to **** *** **** *** ** not ***** ** **** *** ****.

  • **** ** *** *** ***** *** antiquated ** ******** ** ******* *** has ** **** **** **** *** doing.
  • ******* **** **** ** * ******* the ******* **** ** *** *** project **** ****** ***** *** **** out ** *** *******.
  • ****** *** **** ******* ** ** with *** ******* *** **** **** experience **** *** ******* **** *** to *** ** *** ******* *** undercut *** ******* **** *** ****** to *** *** ******* **** *** worked **** *** ****** ** *** them **** **** ****.

** ***** *** ****** **** *** margins ** ******* *** *** ******* do *** ***** **** **** ** after *** ****** ** ********** ************ and **** **** *** ****** **** they ********** ******.

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Michael Silva
•Dec 27, 2023
Silva Consultants

*** **** ****** ** ********* *** already **** *** **** **** ** hire *** **** ** ******* *** RFP ******* ** * *********? ***.

*** **** **** ****** ******* ** people *** ****** ***'* ********** **** they *** *****? ***.

**** *********** ** ************ *********** ********* "low-ball" ******** *** *** *** **** legitimate *******? ***.

** ** ****** ** ******** ********* a ******** **** * ***** *** knows *** ****** *** **** ** is ** ******* ** * ******** issued ***? ***.

**** *** **** ***** ****, * would ***** **** *** ******** ** the **** **** ** *** ********* sincere ******** ** * ***** ** select * ********* ********** ** **** their *****. **** ********** ****** *** required ** ** ******* * ****** RFP *******, ****** ** ***, ** by ******* ******, ************ *** ****** projects.*********** *** ****** *** ** ******* to **** *** ******** ** ****** a *********** ******* ** *** ******.

** ****** ** **** ** **** that **** * ******* ** ***, the ****** ******* *** *** ******** to ******** ** *** **** **** integrator *** ****** **** ******* ***** out ** *** *****. ** ** example, * *** *** ********** ****** client *** **** ** *** *** ten-building ****** ******* ******* ***** ***** $400,000. ** *** ****** ********* ** grow *** ****** **** *** **** three *****, *** ********** ***** ** getting ** ***** ******* ******* ******* of ********** **** **** **** **** client.

** **** *****, *********** *** **** to *** ******** ******* *** *** process *** ***** ** *** "** *** ******"****** **** ****** *** **** ** review ***** *** ************. * ***'* tell *** *** **** ********* **** I **** ******** **** ********** ******* the ************ ** *** *** ***/** contained ******* **** ********* ***** *******'* qualifications *** ********** ****** ****** "** are *** ****...".

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Jerome Miller
•Dec 28, 2023

** ***** **** ** *** **** in *** **** *** ***** ******* to ***** **** **** *** *** by ********* ** **** ******** **** we *** ****** ****. ** ** was ****** ***** ** ***** *** meet ** ********** *** ***** ** passed.

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Undisclosed Manufacturer #3
•Dec 28, 2023

*** ********* ***** ** ** * lot ** ***'* *** *** ** biased ****** **** *** ********. *** win ***** **** ******* *** ** the ****** *** ******** ***** ***** to **** *** **** ****, ** if *** *** *** *** **** to ** ***** ** ** ********* considered. *** **** * *** ** the ******** **** *** *****, *** more * *** ** **** ***** real. *** ***, *** * **** portion ** **.

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Undisclosed Integrator #4
•Dec 28, 2023

** ** ********** ** ** ***** only ******** *** ** *** *** depending ** *** ******; *** **. mostly **** ********** ********* *** ** other ****** ******* *********, *** *** RFP ** *** *** **** ********* to ** *****. **** ******* ******** have **** ****** ** ***** ** the ***** ** **********, *** *** others **** *** ***********; *** ** is * ****** ** ****** ********* the *** ** *** ********* *******. Also, *** ****** **** *** ** the ********** *** * **** **** performance, *** **** **** ***** ** the ******** * ***; ** *** able ** **** ***** ********** *********** because ** ****, **** ** *** SOW *** ******* *** ****. ** takes *** **** ********* ********* *** the ******** ********, *** *** ********** MUST ***** **** ** ************* *** Agencies *********, **************, ***********, ***. (**: FAR, *****, ***, ****, ***.).

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George Peffer
•Jan 02, 2024
PCSystems.BIZ

****. ** *** **** **** ******** all *** **** *** ***** ******* tail *** ******* ** ****, ***** even *** ** *************** ** *******. That **** ** ***.

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Undisclosed Integrator #5
•Jan 02, 2024

**** *** **** ** ***** * have ********* ** ****** ** ****. I ***'* ***** ** *** ** them **** * *** ***** * was *** ******* ********** **** *** end **** *** * ****** ************ or ************ ************. ** ** *******, RFPs *** * **** ********* ** finalize * ********** ********** ******* *** or ********.

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Undisclosed Integrator #6
•Jan 02, 2024

**** *** ******* **** **** * tool *** ** ***** ** *** to ***** ********* ******. *** **** way ** ** ********** - ** you *** ******* ** ** *** for *** ***** ****, ** ** be ***, ***** ** *** *** ideal ***** ** **... *** **** then, **** *** *** ** ***** is **** ***** ******* ***** ******** motions - ** *** ** ***** preferred ************/******. *** - *** **** to ******* * ************ **** * new ******** **** *** * **** chance ** ***** * ****-**** ******** relationship. *** ** ******* - ** they *** ******* *** ** *** - **** ***** **** ** **** out ** *** ***** **** **** need *********. **** ** ********. *** question(s) * ***** *********, ** ********, is *** **** ******* *** **** are ***** ** ********* ***** ********* will ** ***** - *** *********? Then ****** ** **** - **** this *********** ** ******? ** **** will *** ***** ***** ********** ******** and/or **** *** ***** *** *******, you *** ******* **** ****.

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Undisclosed Manufacturer #7
•Jan 02, 2024

** * ***, ** **** ** RFPs * ****** ***********. ** *** often ***** ** ****** ** ********** to ********* ** *** ******* ****(*) will **** *** ****** ** *** document. **** *********** **** **** ** the ****** ******** *** ****** ** to ** *** *** ****...********, ******* specification ***********, ***. ** ******* ** theses ***** ** *** ********** **** the ********** **********. ** ** **** a ***** ************, *** * ********** chance ** ******* ****** *** *****, we ** *** ** *** **** and ******. **** ***** (******* *** majority ** *****), **** *** ********** has * **** ****** ** **** (and ** ****** ******** **** ******* the **** ** *** **** ******), we ******** **** * *** ** decline. ** *** ** ******, ** many ** *** ************* ** ********* think **** ***** *** ** * sales **** *** ****** * **** court ***** ** ***** ***********.

* ***'* ******* **** *** ***********' perspective, ****** ** *** ** ******* that ** *** ***'* *******, **** you're ******.

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Undisclosed Integrator #8
•Jan 03, 2024

** ***** ********** ** ******** * real *** ** ******** ** ********** to ****.

* **** *** ** ******* **** modern ****** *** ********** ******** *** details **** *** ****** ** ******** to **********. ** **** ******* **********, legal ************, ************ ******** ***********, ******* definitions, ******* *********** ************, ******** **********, labor **** *** ************, ***. ** will ******* ***** *** ********** **** require ** ******** ** ****** *** possible ******** ** ******* **** **********.

** ****** **** ******* **** *** bidder ****** ********** *** * - 5 ********* ******** ** ******* ***** and ****. ** ****** **** ******* the ****** ** *********** **** **** technicians *** *** ******* ** *** product ****(*) *** *** ** ******* around.

** **** ******* **** ********** ******* resumes ** ***** ******* *** *******, a ** **** **** ****** ****** construction ********, * ** **** **** interface ******** **** *** ** ** customer *******, ***. ** **** ****** require ********** ** * ***-*** ******* with *** ***** ********* ******* ***** Q & * *** *****. *** notes **** *** ******** **** ** compiled *** ********* ** *** *** express ** ******** ** *******.

** **** ***** ******* ******* ******* for ****** ********* *****. ***** **** be * *****, ******* ******* *** documenting *** ************ ****** ******. ********* requirements ** *** ****** **** ** clearly *******. ********** **** ************ **** be *** ****.

**** *** *** ** ******** ** the ********* ******* ***** **** ** a ****** ** ********* *** *******. All ******* ******* *** ********* ***** and ********. ** *** *** ******* to *** *** **** **** ****** has ******* ******, *** *** * check ***.

******** *** ****** **** ********* ********* for * "****" *** ** *** will ** ***** * ********** ****** of **** ** ******* * ******** and ***. ** *** *** * call ** ****** ******* *** * "chance" ** *** * *****-*******-****** *** and *** *** ** *** **** Friday, *** *** * ***** ***.

** ** **** *** ******* **** of **** ** ****** *** * job >$***,*** ** ** ** ** likely ******* ******* *** *** *** a ***** ***. ****** *** *** the *** ** ***** ******** ** dollars ******* ** ** **** * vendor *** ****** * ***** ******* in **** ** **** **** **** other ******* **** **** ******* ** their ********* *** ***** ** **** weeks.

* ***'* ***** *** ****** ** times * ****-**** *********** *** **** my ****** **** * ***+ **** RFP *** ****, "**'** *** * great ****** ** ******* **** !!!" and * **** *** ** **** 4 - * **** ** ******* a ********. **** * **** **** "No" *** ******* *** **** *** to ***** *** ****** ** ******* it ******. *****, **** **** **** out **** *** *** *** ******* to "******* *" ***, ** *** way, *** **** ********* **% ** their ***** *******, **** ******* ******* that *** **** ******** ** **** are *****-**** ** *** ******* ******** and *** ******** *** ******* **** the ******** ** ** **** ***** preferred ****** *** *** ********* *** required ***** ** ******** *** *********** process.

**** ****** *** *****, ****** *** from ******, *** *********. * **** relationship ** *** ********** ** *** sale. ** ******, ********** *********** ** the ****** ******* ** ********* *** the ************ ******* *** ***** *** salesperson ** *** ****** ** *** process. *** **** ** ** **** witnessed ****** *** ******** ***** *** buddies **** ***** ******* ********, *** their ******* *** ** **** ****** of ******, *** *** ********* ********, etc. ? *** ************ ** ****** enough **** *** ******** ********* ** purchase **** *** ******, **** ****** their ***** ****** ** ***-***.

** *** ***** ** ********** *****, the ************ ** **** **** *********. The **** ********** ********** *********** **** the ********* ************ ****** **** *** government ********* **********. * *********** *** knows *** ********* ************ *** *** can **** *** ******** ******** ***** own ******** ********** **** ** ***** to ***** * ************ **** ** long-term, **********, *** **********. ** *** mentioned *******, ** **** ********* **** a ****** ** ****** ******* ******* of ******-** **** *** ******** *** be ******* ******* ***** ******* *** RFP ******* *****.

******* ** ** * **** * saw ****:

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Michael Silva
•Jan 03, 2024
Silva Consultants
In reply to Undisclosed Integrator #8

********* *******! * *** **** **** you **** ********** **** ****** *** block * *** ***** :)

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Brian Rhodes
•Jan 03, 2024
IPVMU Certified
In reply to Undisclosed Integrator #8

****** *** ****!

*** ***** *** ***'* *** *** boat *****, *** ***** ****** ***** is ***** '******** ********,' ***** *** luxury ***** ** ** ******* ** named '****** *****. '

*** ***** ** ******** ****:****** ****** - ********* *********, ********* Unethical.

** **** *****, *** ******** ********/*** with ***** *** **********/********** ******* ** just * ******* ******* ** *******/******* the ******* *** **** ** ********** more ********* ****** ****** ** ******** 'Change ******'.

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Michael Silva
•Jan 03, 2024
Silva Consultants

* **** **** ******* ******** ******* RFPs *** ********** ********* *** ** years.

******* *** ********** ****** ** **** people ****, * *** ****** *** that ****** *** ** *** ******** of **** * **** **** ******** with **** **** ********** ******** ** locate * ********* ********** ** * reasonable *****.

* ***** *** ********* *********** ** a ******* ***** *** ******* *** a ******** **********, ******** ** * couple ** *********, * **** *********** been ****** ******. *** *****, ******** that *** **** *** ****** ** a ***** ** **** ** ****** not ****.

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Undisclosed Integrator #8
•Jan 04, 2024
In reply to Michael Silva

* ******* **** ********* *** ********** to ****** *** *** ******* *******. I **** **** ** *** ******** industry ** ***** *** * *** assure *** **** **** **** ***** are ** *** **** ********. ** is * ******** ******** **** *** design ********* **** ** ******* **** for ********** - *** **** **** it **** ** ****** *** ** are * ***** ***?

**** * *** **** ******* ** bid * *** *** * **** large **** *** **** ******** * large ****** ** *****, **. * headed ** * **** ** *** designers *** * **** ** ***** folks *** ******** ********* ** *** various ******** ** *** ***. ** rented *** ******** ***** ** * hotel, ******* * ******* ** *** everyone ******** *** **** *** *** to *** *** *** *** ***. We ****** *** *** ***** *** 12 **** ** ***** * ***** fantastic ******** ** *** ***, ********* CAD ******** ** *** ******** ***** backbone, ***. **** *** ** ***** 1996 ** ****** ****** ** *********.

** ********* ****** ** *** *** response ***** ** ***** *** *** date *** **** - *** ***** guy ****** **** ***** ****** **** the ******** ******* ****** (*) ** our ******** **** ******* ****** *** response **** ****** *** ******. ** also ******* **** **** ****** ** our ******** ** **-* ***** ** they ***** ****** ** **************. **** proved ** ** * ***** ********.

*** *** ******** ****** * ******* person **-**** *-*, *-* *** ** long ** **** ********** * *** contract **** **. **** *** * first *** ** *** ****** ** be * ********** ******** ** *** client.

******* ***** ***** * *** ******* with *** ******** ** **** *** bank *** ** **** ** **** our ******** ** *** *** *** in * ***** *** **'* ***. I *** ****** * ******* *** we ******* *** ****** *** ******** into **** *** **** ** ********* to ***** **** **** - ***** in ***** *** ********. **** ***** that ****** - *** ****** ** cross-reference ******* *** *** *** *** response. ** **** **** ********* ********* obvious.

** ****** **** ******** ********* ****** options ** ******* **** ****** **** their ******* ******** ****** *********** *** competency *** *********. ******** ** **-***** service **** *** ****** ** * great ****** *** ********* *** **-* with *** ******** *** ***** ** the ****. ** **** ** **** not *** ******** *** ** *** margin *** *** ****** ****** ***** agreed *** ******** ************ ***** *** capability **** ******** ** ** ***** the *********** ****. **** **** **** comfortable ******* *** ******* **** *** hands *** ** *** *** ***.

*** ***** ******* *** *** ** $3.8 ******* ******* *** ** ***** up ******* **** $*.* ******* ** add-ons *** ****** ****** ****** *** project *** ****** ********, **** * years *****.*** ** **** ** **** *** budgeted $*.* ******* ********** *** **** the ***-*** *** ***** *** $* million ****** ** ******* *** ******* came ** ***** ********* ****.**** ******* ******* **** ***** ** being * **+ **** ******** ************ worth ******** ** ******* ** ** and ***.

*** ***** ** **** ******** *** that *** ******** ********* ** ********* detailed, ******** ***. **** **** *** bidders ** ******** **** ** ******* AFTER *** * & * ******* was *********. ** ****** ******* *** weekend ** ****** ** ***** **** the ******** *** ***** **** ******* along *** *** **** ******** *** working **** *** ** *** ** done.

***** *** ********* ******** ** *******, legal, ************, ********, *******, ********* - the **** *** **** *** *************. It ************ **** **** ***** ******* for * ******* ** ******** **** and **** ***** ******** ****** *** US. ** **** ************ **** **** it ***** **** * *** ** time ** ******** ****** * ******** that ****** *** **** *** ****** and *** ********.

**** ** *** * *** *** RFP ********** **** *** * **** short ******** ********* ** *** ***** pursuing - ****** *** ******* **** a ***** ************ **** *** ******** and *** *** ** * ******** to **** "*********" *********.

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Michael Wood
•Jan 12, 2024

****** ** **** ***** ******** *** time ** ***** ******* **** **, we ** *** ******* ****** ***** is * **** ********* ****** ** do **. **** *** ** ** get ** *** ***** ** * larger **********, ** **** ** *** be *********** **** ****. ** ** more ********* **** **** *******, *** still ********* * *** ****** ** the **** ********.

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