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3rd Party Providing All Electric Locks For Access System?

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Jay Hobdy
•May 24, 2019
IPVMU Certified

We just got called in (first meeting/plan review was yesterday) on a ~15 door system, new construction, electric already roughed in, and drywall just weeks away. We don't even have electronic plans yet. :Sigh:

 

** *** ***** ******* ** * door ********, ** *** ******* **** is ***** ********/********* ** ****** *** we *** **** ******* **** ** providing *** *** *******, *** *****, etc.

 

** ** ****** *** *** **** vendor ** ******* *** ******** ********? Strikes, *** *****, ***?

 

*********** *** **** ** **** *******, it *** ** **** ** ***'* have ** ***** ***** ******* *** which *****, ***.

 

 

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Daniel S-T
•May 24, 2019

** ***** ******** ***** ********* ******** locks, ****** *** *** ******** **** some *** **** ** ** **. I **** **** ***** ********* * locksmith **** ** **** *** **** work, *** ****'* *** **** ******* it. ****** ****** ** *** ******, we **** **** **** ** *** to ** ** ** ** ****, which **** *********** ** *** ******** (at *** ****, **** ** *** power ******** **** *** **** *******).

*** ** *** **** **** * did **** ** ******** ******** *** the **** ****** ******* **** ** the ******** ********, **** ** ***** about **** *** *****. ** ***...**** of * *********. ** *** *** electric **** ****, *** ***** *** some ********* ** ** *** *** providing *** ***** ******** *** *** doors. ** *** *** **** *** on *** *****, *** ******** ******* we **** ***** **. ******* ***** probably ***** ** * ***** *** General ********** ***** * **** ****** in *** **** ******* ***** ** what **** **** *** ***** ********, but **** *****'* ***** ** ******* them, **** ******* ****.

* **** *** *** ******* ** that *** ** *** **** ****** not ********* *** ****** *******, * little ********* **** **** ** *** hinge **** ** ** ******* *** door ** *** *******. *** ** spec ****** ** ** **** **** time ** ****** *** *** ** wire **** **.

** * ***** **** ** ***** to ***** *******, **** **** **** your **** ** **** *****. "**** connecting ** ******* ******** ********/*****" ** what ****. ********** ** **** *** doing ********* ********, ** **** ******* or ****, **** **'* ****** **** to **** ***** ** *** ******* power, *** ** ******* **** ** anecdote *****, *** **** ********* ***** electric ******** ***** * **** ****** that ** *** *** ****.

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Sean Patton
•May 24, 2019

** *** **** ****** ** ***/**** jobs ***** * ******.

****** *** **** ********** ** ********** contractor ***** ** *********** *** *** physical ********** ******* ******** *** ******, and *** ******** ********** ***** ** responsible *** **** *******, ***********, ***, contacts, *** ********.

* ********* ** ** *** ************ environments, ******* ****** *** **** *** info ** *** **** *****, ********, frame ****, *********** ** *******, ******** configuration, ** ** ********** ** ******* the ***** ********** ******** ***% ** the ****. *** *** **** ********** supply ****, ** ** **** ****** to **** ** *** **** ***** or *** ******** ***** ** *** a ****** ***** **** ** *** door ** *** **** ******* ** install * ******, **** *** ****** equipped ** **** **** **.

U
Undisclosed #1
•May 24, 2019

** ** ********* ****** *** *** Division */****, *****, *** ********(***) ********** to ******* *** ******* *********** ***** on ************ ******** ** *** ****, and ** *******, **** ** ******* the **** *** ** **. *******, it **** ******* **** ******* ************ between *** ****** -- ******** **** EC's ******* *** ******* *** ****** conduit ******** *** **** ****, ******** that *** *** ********** ******** *** correct ***** *** ***** ********* (*.*. electrified ******), *** **** ******** **** there ** ****** ************ ******* *** DFH ********** *** *** ********** ** get ********** ***** ** *** ********* correctly.

*************, ***** *** * *** ** holes ** ********* **** ****. *** example...

* ** ******** ** ******* ** too ****, **** ***'* ******** ********** pathways **** ******'** **** ******** ** the **.

* ** *******, ********** **'* **** painfully ****** ********* ** **** ********, and *** *** ********* ** ** full *** ******** ******* *** ******** potential ******

*** *******, *** ********* **** ********* little ********* ** *********** ********.

* *********** *********** **** ** ***** fingers **** ** *** *** **********, and *** **********'* *********** **** ** point ******* **** ** ***********. **** results ** ********* ****** **** ****** installation *** ** ******* ******** ******* -- *** ** *********** ** *** door ***** *******, ***.

** *** **** ******* ** ***** that ***** **** ******** *** ***** it ****, **** ** **** ** cases **** ***** ** **** ***** yourself *** ********** ****** ********. ** you ***'*, ** ******** *** ******, I'd ******* ******* ******* **** *** can ********* ** **** *** **** you ****** *** ********* ** **** sure **** ********** ** ***** *********** properly. ** * **********, ****'* * huge **** ** **** * ** on ***** ******* **'** ******** ** -- **'* ****** * ******** ***** of ************ **** ********** *** ** be ***** ** ********** **** *** go ******** ****.

 

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Michael Miller
•May 24, 2019

** *** ******* **** **** ** a ***** ******* *** ** ** a ****.  ** ***'* **** *** is ********** *** ******** ** *** is ********* ** *** ** *** responsible ** **** ** *** **** and ******* **.   **** ** *** on **** *** *** *** ******** we **** *** ******** *** ********* and ** ** ***** **** ****'* the **** ******** ** ***** **** the ******** ********* ** ******* * door. 

U
Undisclosed #2
•May 24, 2019
In reply to Michael Miller

*** *** * **** ******** ******** in *** ** ***** ** ** architectural ******. ****** ***'* ** ** isn't *****. 

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MM
Michael Miller
•May 24, 2019
In reply to Undisclosed #2

** **** *** *** ** ***** but **** *** **** ** ** do *** ******* *** *** ******** is ********** ********* ****** *** ***. 

* **** ********* * **** ****** with *** ******** ****** *** ** supplying ** *** *** ** ********** it.  *****, **** *** ** ******* it *** *** ****** ****** **** are ****** *** **** ** *** starting ** ******* **** ****** *******.

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U
Undisclosed #1
•May 24, 2019
In reply to Michael Miller

** *** **********, **'* *************** ********* to ******* **** *** ******** * schedule *** *** ******** * ********* ** ******** *** ******. *** ****** specifications *** **** ** ******* ** most *****, *** **** ******* **** turn *** ** ****** ** ********, but ******* **** **** ***'* **** door-by-door ******, ***** ** ******* ********* for ******** ****** ********.

**** ** * ****** * ******* back ** ** ********** ****...* ******* a ***** ***** ***** ****** * few *** **** ***** **** * literally ***** *** **** ****** *** team ** ***-**** ***** * *** a ******** * ********* ** ****** and *******. **** ***** ******* *********** pretty ******* ***** * **** **** clear.

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MM
Michael Miller
•May 24, 2019
In reply to Undisclosed #1

****, *** ******** **** *** **** for *** ***** ******* ** ** was ** "* **** *** ** moment".  **** *** *** ****** ** rebid *** **** ******* *** ******** us **** *** ****** ******* ** this *****'* ****** *****.   

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U
Undisclosed #2
•May 24, 2019
In reply to Michael Miller

** **********,

********* **** **** ******** ************ ** DIV ** **********, **** ******** ************ hardspecs ***** *** ****** **** **** them **** ** *****. ** **** ignores ***** ** **** ***** *** does ******** **** ****. *** ** contractor **** *****, *****'* **********, *****'* keep ** **** ********/*******. *****'* ***** any ******** ** *******.

 

*** ****** ********, ** ********* ***'* mess ****** *** ******* ********* *******. 

 

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MM
Michael Miller
•May 24, 2019
In reply to Undisclosed #2

****, *** **** ******** ** **** ******** working **** *** *&* *** *** have **** ******* **** *** **.  So ***...

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Brian Rhodes
•May 24, 2019
IPVMU Certified

** ** ****** *** *** **** vendor ** ******* *** ******** ********? Strikes, *** *****, ***?

********* ***** *******: ***.

** ** *** **** ******, *** typical.  *** **** ***** ** ** now ** ** **** ******* **** that ****** ******** *** ****** *****/*********** correct ******** ****** ******* ** ******* and *******.

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Jim Elder
•May 24, 2019
IPVMU Certified

** ******** *****! ** ** ******* more ****** *** *** ******** ******** Supplier (***) ** ****** *** ********... but **** **** *** **** *** the ***** ***** ** **. ** a ******** ****** ********, ****** ** way ******* ** *** ********** ***** my *******, ******** *** **** ********. This **** *** **** ** *** to ********** ******* *** ******** (**** integrators **** *** ** ***** ***** sets); *** *************, **** **** *** door ******* ** *** **********'* *****. He **** **** *** ** *** design; ******* ** ********* ****** (*.*. a ***** ****** *** ***** **** is ******* ***  *********).  ***** *** also *********** ************ ****** *** *** responsibilities **** ** *** ** ******** in ***** ******** *** **** ************ involved **** ******** ********* (***** *** believe **** ******** ******* ***** ** more ********* **** ***** *********?). ** a **** ***** ******* ******, ** will **** ****** ** * ******** issue... *** *** **** *** ****? Just *** *** *** *** ******** guy ** *** **** ***** **'* done; *******, ***** ** **** ***** in ** *** *** ********** *** less ***** **** *** ***** *** to ***. **** ********** **** **** suffer ***** *** "****" ** * CHS **** ** *** ***** ********** control. 

* **** **** ******** (** ** expert ******* ** ******* ******* * squabble ******* ********** *** ***'* ) in  ****** * ********* *** *** the ************** ** ***** *****. *** of ***** ******** * ******. :( 

 

 

 

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JH
Jay Hobdy
•May 24, 2019
IPVMU Certified

* *** ********** *** *** ********* of *** ****** ** ******* *** mount ********. * *** *** ******** issues ** ****.

 

* **** *** *** *****, *** door ******** ********. ***** ****? *** 2 ***** ***** *** *** **** on *** ********...

U
Undisclosed #1
•May 24, 2019
In reply to Jay Hobdy

****** **, ***'** ** *** * ride!

** *** ***********, *** ***** ** confirm ** ***** ***** ***** *** intended ** ** **** ***** *********-***** doors ** ******** ****/******-***** *****. **** is **** ***** *** ** *** as ****, ******* **** *** ********** of **** ***** ***** **** ********* these ****, ***** *** **** ***** provided ** *** ******* **********, *** the *** **********...***** ***** ***'** ******* with *** ******** ******** ** ** relates ** *********** ******** ******* ** just ***.

*** ****** *'** **** (*** *'* sure **** ****** ** ****) ***** boggle *** ****. ****** ******** ******** ordered *** *** ***** ***, ****** of ***** ******* ** *****, ********** that **** ***** ******** *********** ******* mechanisms ** **** (*** * **** -- *'** **** * ****** **** with ** ******** ******, ** *********** mortise ****, *** ** ** ***** device), ******* *********** ****** ** **********-********* hinges **** ***'* ***** *** **** of *** ********, ******* ***** ** Herculite-style *****....*** **** **** ** *** on. * **** ** ** **** and **** *** **** ** ** "wall ** *****" ********** **** *'** worked ** **** *** *****. ***** start * "****** ** *******"-***** **** about **, **** ****** * **** there's **** ***** ** ****** ** the ****** ***** ****** ** **** such * *****...

JE
Jim Elder
•May 24, 2019
IPVMU Certified
In reply to Undisclosed #1

***** *** ** **** *********** ******** in * ****.  **** * **** at *** *** **** ******** ***** ******** *. *************,  **** *** ** ***** sections ***** **** *** *** *** (not ******). *** **** * ****** years **** **** ******** ** *** highest ***** ** ***** **** ** coordination ********. ***** ** ** **** a ****** ** **** ******** **** sections ** *** ** ********* *****:

** ** ** *********** ******* ******* & ***********
** ** **.** ****** ********* ********** Locking *******
** ** **.** ******** ********** ******* Devices
** ** **.** *********** ******** ********** Locking *******
** ** **.** ****** ********** *** Egress *******
** ** ** ****** ********** *******
** ** **.** ******** **** ******* Egress *******
** ** **.** ***** ******** ******* Egress *******

******** **** *** ** ** ******* oriented. *** (*** **********) *** ***** long ***** (******** **** *** ** done ** *** *****'* ************.  

**#* *** ****** ***** * ****** sheet **** *** ***** ****** *** let ******** ***********.....:)

TM
Ty Mullen
•May 27, 2019
COR Security, Inc.

**** ******. *** * **** **. 

*** **** *** **** ** ****** it ** ******* *** *****. ** worse *** ***'* **** *** **** to ****** *** *********** ******** *** say **** **** ***'* **** *** to ****** ****. 

*** **** ****. ********** ** *** have ** **** ***'* ***** ***'* working.

JH
Jay Hobdy
•May 27, 2019
IPVMU Certified

** **** ** * ******* ** the **** ********.

**** **** * *** ****, **** are ***** * **** **** ***** is * ***/***** *** **** ******** rods, * **** ***** ******, *** door ******** ********.

 

*** ** *********** *** ********** *** power ****** ** *** ***** *** connecting **** ******* (****) ** *** power ******? 

 

 

 

 

U
Undisclosed #1
•May 28, 2019
In reply to Jay Hobdy

***....** **** ****** ****....

*. *** ** ****** ****** ** responsible *** ********* *** ********** ****** to *** ***** ********. **** ****** not **** ** * ********** **** from ******.

*. ***** **** *** ***** *** connections **** ** ** *****, *** bigger ******** ** *** **** **** happen? ****'** ********* **** *** ** will *** ******* "** ***** *** header ** *****", *** ****'** ********* a ********** ***** **** *** ** provision *** ** *** ******. ******* knowing ******** ***** **** ****, ****** that ********* * ********** ***** (********* a ***** ****** *** ********* * would **** ** ***) ***** ******** NOT ** ******** ***** **** * door **** *** ***** ********, ** I'd *** ***** **** ****. ****** every ***** ***** ************ *** ******* for ** *** ****** ****** ***** mortise ******, *** **** * ***** hinge ***** *********, *'* ******* **** there ** **** ****** *** ******* a ****** **** ***** *** * Securitron ****.

****** **** *******.

*. **** **** ***** ** **** coordination ** *** *** ******* **** run ** *** ****, ************ ******* the ***** ****** *** *** *****. Ask *** **** ******* ** *** the ******* ** ***** *******, ** provide **** ******** ** ******** *********.

*. *** ***** ****, ** ******* approach ** **** *** ********** ** always ***% *********** *** *** ****** connections, ********* **** *** ***** ****** to *** ******. ***'* ***** *** waters ** ****** ****** **** **** connections ********.

*** *********, * ****** ******* **** the ********* **** *********** ** *** lock ****** *** ******* * **** between *** **** *** *** *****. If ** *** ********, ** **** for "***** *******" ***** *********** ** all *****, *** **** **** ******* the ******** *********. **** *****, ** we ***** **** *** *** "***** connect" ***** *********** ** *** ******, it *****'* ****** ****** *** ***** the *********** ** *** "****" **** of *** *****, *** ** ***** are ** *****-********, we **** *** *** ********** ** **** *********** ** **** ***** ** *** *****.**'* ****** **** ** ***** *** "back *** *****" *** ********* **** how **** **** ** *** ***** gets ********** -- **** ***** ** own ** ** **** ** **** make *********** ** *** ****.

*. *** ************** *** ************ ** the ***** ***'* **** **** *****. They **** *** ** "*** *** Exit" *** *** ***** ** "*** ELR". *** ******* ** **** **** of *** ******* **** * **** number ** ****,***** ** *** **** ****** *** surface ******** ****. **, **** ** ***** *** surface ******** *** *******.

*. ***** **** **** ********** *** a ********* ******* (********), ***** *** ** ********** *** a ******** *******, *.*. * *******-**-**** switch. *** **** ** ******* ****** S (***** ** *** ***% *********) for ****** *. **** ****** ** reasonably ***** ** ***** ****-*******, ** it ********* **** ******* ** ******* it ******** ** **** ****** *** them ** *** ****** *.

*. ****'** ********* *** ***** ******** for *** **** **** ****. **** spec'd * ******* ******** (****), *** they **** ** **** * *** cylinder (****). **** ***'* ********** **** concern, *** ** ********* **** **** come ** **** *** ***** ***'* be ******...

 

***** *** ** ***** ******, *** those *** *** **** ****** **** jump *** **** * ***** ****...

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UI
Undisclosed Integrator #3
•May 30, 2019

** - * ** ** ***** and *** **** ****** *****, ***** is * ******* ** * **** schedule *** **** ***** ******** *** they *** ***** **** *** **** issues. ** **** **** ********* **** regs **** ********* ******* **** ******* which ******* ****'* ******** / ********** by ********** (*******) *** *** ********* only ********** ** **********, *** ** as *** ********** *** ******** ** sign *** ** ****.

******* ***** ************* *** ********* ***** is ***** **** *** ******** *** when ** *****. **** *** *** user *** *** ********** *** * call *** ** **** *** *** the **** **** ** ******, **** the **** ********** ******* ** - in **** **** *****. *** **** contractor ************ ****** *** ****** ** the **** **** ** ***** ************* and *** *** **** ************** ******* the ****** ******* ********** ** **** look ***** *** *****.

******

 

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Gregory Keeling
•May 30, 2019

**** ****** ********* *********** ******** = Fail **** ** *** ****.

** *** **** **** *** *** time *** ** ******** * ***** deal ** ***** ** ****** ** our ******** ** *** ***.

** ******* ** *** **** ** hardware *****, **** *** ******** ****** gauge ***** ****** ********* ** ******** from *** ***** ****** ********* **/* or **/*, * ** ******** **** will ** **** **************.

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JH
Jay Hobdy
•May 31, 2019
IPVMU Certified

** **** **** ** *** ** their ***** ****** *** ** * large ******* ** ****. **** **** no ******** *** ********* *** ***** during * ***** ******.

 

** * ***** ***** * ***** this *** ******* ******** *** **** to *** *********** *** ***** * HES ****/**** *** ******. ** ** I *******. *** **** ****** **** this *** *** ****** *** ********* and *** ** **** ** **** on **** *** * ********** ****. 

 

**** *** * *** **** ******* goes ** ** ~** **** *** we ***** *****'* **** ****** *** job, *** ***** *** * ********, etc.

 

*** ** ** **, ***** ** control ********** **** ******* ** *** own *******, **** *****, *** ** goes ** **. ******** ** **** to **** **** * ** *** new *****, **'* * ****.

 

***** *** ** **** * ******* where *** ***** **** ******* *-* weeks, ** **** ******* **** **** week, **** ****. *** *** ***** are **, *** ** ********* **** to ** ****** ** ****** *** door **** ** *** ****** **, before *** ********** **** ** *** wall. * ***** **** ** *********....

 

* ** ***** ** ***** ******* our ********* *** ********* ** ******* ourselves.

 

***** *** *** ********* ** ** early ******* ****... :)

TM
Ty Mullen
•Jun 01, 2019
COR Security, Inc.
In reply to Jay Hobdy

*** ************ *****. ****** ** ********** with ****** **** ***'* **** *****. Trying ** ***** **** ****** *** that ***** ** ** ****** ** changed *** *** ****** ** ****** pointless. ******* ****** **'* ** *** bid **** ** *** *****. **** frustrating!!

** ******** ** ****** ********** **** your ******* ******* *** ****** **** start ****** ********** **** ** ***** the *********. **'* ** *********** ***** that ******** ****. 

* *** ** ***** *** ********** that *** *** **** ** ******* or ****** ** ** ***********  ** against ******** ********. (*.*. ********* ***** because *** ** **** **** *****'* been ***** ***** *** **** **** extra). *** *** ****** *** *** exclusions **** ***** **** **. **** common ***** ****. 

 

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