Locator Tool For Drilling Blind: Magnespot

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Brian Rhodes
Dec 21, 2017
IPVMU Certified

This install tool seems pretty useful: Magnespot XR1000

Especially for penetrating exterior walls or drilling between floors, understanding exactly where your bit breaks out is tough.  This is called 'drilling a blind hole'.

It can be a bad experience if you break out in the middle of a crowded wall, or you under/overshoot the spot, or drill into a pipe.  

Doing it right generally means using two people connected by phone taking 'reference measurements' from common points like wall corners or existing penetrations. 

The Magnespot uses an electromagnetic transmitter and receiver to locate points, and can be setup and used by 1 person.

The demo video below shows detail on how it works:

The manufacturer claims it works in walls 48" thick and is accurate to 0.125" for 10" brick walls.  That's pretty good!

Looks like street is ~$200 for this tool.

Has anyone used this?  How do you deal with drilling 'blind holes'?

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Ethan Ace
Dec 21, 2017

WHOA, if that works, it's awesome.

My way of drilling blind holes was to make someone else do it. Failing that, I measured 40 times and used the longest bit i could find. It didn't always go the best...but I never had any critical fails.

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Chad Rohde
Dec 21, 2017

Probably every person I have ever worked with uses your first technique. And most newbies will avoid drilling through a wall like the plague. The remaining "not scared to drill through this brand new million dollar building" installers are usually the ones fired the next day for hitting water line, electrical line or some other infinite amount of possibilities for disaster and lawsuit. 

That being said, it doesn't bother me anymore. I don't do installations much anymore, but have probably averaged 1 a day over a 20 year span of doing that type of work. But even if someone did 10 a day over their entire life, I guarantee you there will always be a new scenario where something doesn't go as planned and you will be standing there looking at that wall telling yourself "How did I f^ck that up that bad"?

I've never heard the term "blind holes" and if that was a standalone question I would say I never have drilled a blind hole. If you don't know where your bit will end up on the other side of a wall, then you shouldn't be drilling at all.

Best advise I can give is measure twice and drill once. Measure from the inside and outside and then measure again. You may have to drill from the inside out or outside in or both. Stud finders can come in handy. And those little mini snake cameras can really come in handy. I've had probably every tool available to man over the years but always come back to just a tape measure. Take your time, and drill slow.

Have quality bits and 2 of each size, and have every length they offer. Have every model too. Regular bits, pilot point bits, masonry, step bits, spade bits, wood bits.......... If you see them for sale in the hardware store and think you don't need a bit like that then you haven't been doing it long enough and probably been doing it wrong half the time. Buy every model that you can afford. Stick with the name brands too. Trust me when I say it's not worth saving 75% off the price going with cheap ones. 

If you are required to drill through a customer's wall, then those few minutes usually become the most important minutes of the physical installation. 

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Ethan Ace
Dec 21, 2017

Actually now that I read it again, I was interpreting "blind holes" as where you have to drill from both sides because the wall is too thick to penetrate with one bit. But obviously it could mean you just can't see what's on the other side. 

Of the former, I've done few. Of the latter, I did them all the time and they didn't worry me too much. Though I've been putting off penetrating a closet to run speakers and a camera to my front porch for all of 2017 because I have convinced myself it's not as easy as it looks. Hoping Rhodes will buy me a Magnespot for Christmas.

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Chad Rohde
Dec 22, 2017

Though I've been putting off penetrating a closet to run speakers and a camera to my front porch for all of 2017 because I have convinced myself it's not as easy as it looks. 

 

And you are probably right. It sounds easy to me, but those are the ones that end up with 3 blank wall plates mysteriously mounted next to each other in the oddest location to cover up the extra holes. 

I'm not exactly sure of the "Blind Holes" meaning  but one thing I forgot to say about drilling through exterior walls is try to avoid doing it all together. If you mount the camera on an exterior wall and can penetrate directly behind the camera then that is usually OK. We always recommend to customers and always try to enter the attic space or crawl space and then drop down an interior wall. But sometimes those options aren't available. 

 

 

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Undisclosed #1
Dec 22, 2017
IPVMU Certified

...where you have to drill from both sides because the wall is too thick to penetrate with one bit.

Double-blind?

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Undisclosed Integrator #2
Jan 07, 2018

Oh, the stories I could tell ;)

My favorite success story was drilling from a basement through the exterior walls (no pop out) to the attic if a 2 story home.

My brother drilled horizontally through a lawyers library of legal books about 3’ wide.  You could see the books wiggling as we searched for the drill. 

So many more.....

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Ari Erenthal
Jan 07, 2018
Chesapeake & Midlantic

I used to be the guy others would ask to drill. It's simply a matter of understanding how walls are constructed, how bits flex when you apply pressure to different points of the drill, and being the boss's son so you wouldn't get fired no matter what. 

Joking aside, learning how to drill precise shots and making holes exactly where you want them is a skill that only comes from long experience and practice (and, yes, making mistakes).  

I love bellhangers and flexibits, but only because I really know how to use them. I used to be scared to drill blind, but my father insisted I learn how. And I did. 

As the video points out, you can eyeball it, but you do need to walk back and forth a bunch of times to estimate where the bit will pop out. Having this tool will save a lot of time, and eliminate the need to spend years learning to do without it. 

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Chad Rohde
Dec 21, 2017

I've had one for about 4 years maybe. I also got the MagnePull and Qbit. When I first purchased it I remember trying it out a couple of times with good results. But for some reason it never really became a tool I needed. I never tried going through 40" of concrete like they claim, and pretty sure it failed on much thinner material.

I think they had more than 3 products back then but I could be wrong about that. Either way those 3 listed now did work well. But unfortunately they joined the mound of other tools that I have collected over the years that I don't even remember I have. 

If anybody want's me to test anything out on them just let me know. And I hardly ever sell a tool, but if anybody wants to buy them I would be willing to hear their offer. They are probably in mint condition.

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Undisclosed #1
Dec 21, 2017
IPVMU Certified

The Magnespot uses an ultrasonic transmitter and receiver to locate points...

What no Magnet?

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Chad Rohde
Dec 22, 2017

Would like to see that magnet. Fits in your hand and works through 48" concrete walls.  Pretty sure that one isn't getting shipped through the mail. I had some rare earth magnets shipped to me one time with UPS. Got an empty box with a hole in the side. I imagine they caused a few problems when they made their exit. 

The Magnepul has enough magnet for both of them. Pretty strong.

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Undisclosed #1
Dec 22, 2017
IPVMU Certified

Would like to see that magnet.

Yeah me too, that’s why I was attracted to this discussion in the first place.

Fits in your hand and works through 48" concrete walls.

FWIW, concrete doesn’t affect fields really, and your iPhone’s magnometer can detect a relative change in flux from an handheld n52 magnet from at least several feet.

Or a mini-MRI might work as well, though a bit pricey...

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Guillaume Poirier
Dec 22, 2017
IPVMU Certified

It use an electro-magnet powered by a 9V battery.

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Brian Rhodes
Dec 22, 2017
IPVMU Certified

I edited this in the OP.  Thanks!

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Undisclosed #1
Dec 22, 2017
IPVMU Certified

It use an electro-magnet...

Yes, I had already gaussed as much ;)

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Brian Rhodes
Dec 22, 2017
IPVMU Certified

pun score = 0/10

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Undisclosed #1
Dec 22, 2017
IPVMU Certified

;)

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Chad Rohde
Dec 22, 2017

I couldn't tell you what a field is. All I know is when I finally got those magnets they where about the size of a regular cigarette lighter and came with a big, lengthy warning page. And it was the first warning message I have ever read that meant every word of it being possible. Getting them split apart was unbelievably hard. And then I got careless and got the one in my hand too close to another one sitting on the table. Almost lost a finger. 

I think these had about 100lb strength. And anything metal within 12" is gonna cause either the magnet or metal to take a flight. 

So I was envisioning a magnet that could move something from 4' away.  If it was that small and that strong you wouldn't need a drill. Just tape a piece of flat iron to one side of the wall and toss the magnet from the other side. It will find its way through there. 

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Guillaume Poirier
Dec 21, 2017
IPVMU Certified

This is a great tool. I love it. It’s very accurate. I used it primarily in residential jobs. Most commercial building it’s pretty easy to drill wall using a measuring tape. But in residential it’s a total different ball game.... this is where this tool shine.

Often my setup in residential require me to bring cables near the electrical panel. This is where 1” off can mean big damage. I used to feel it was always a gamble drilling near electrical panel. But now I can drill with total confidence.

In dont know about the 48” depth. I used it often on 12” concrete and it work fine. 

I struggle at first about the price point, but in the end if it save me one mistake, it’s totslly worth it. 

I believe Zircon (stud finder company) have something similar. 

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Chad Rohde
Dec 27, 2017

I struggle at first about the price point, but in the end if it save me one mistake, it’s totslly worth it.

And you will never make use of a tool if you don't own one.

My favorite excuses for having too many tools. Or not enough in my opinion.

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Simon Lambert
Jan 04, 2018
IPVMU Certified

I thought it was odd in the video that they cite a 1/2" precision, then their guy puts the drill against his mark and starts going in at God-knows what angle! With a drill that length he could come out way off, surely. It's always surprised me that in critical situations some sort of simple jig isn't put on the drill to ensure a perpendicular path. Heck, a posh jig could even offer predictable angled paths too. Off to the workshop... ;)

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Undisclosed #1
Jan 04, 2018
IPVMU Certified

 With a drill that length he could come out way off, surely.

The powerful magnet guides the steel bit to dead center like a tractor beam ;)

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Chad Rohde
Jan 05, 2018

Mine is gps guided with a thermal depth gauge.

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Dennis Ruban
Jan 07, 2018

I used that. Every tech must have this device, it saved us so much time! Very accurate, I used with bricks, concrete, wood

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