Ban Rules Released: Use Dahua or Hikvision, No US Government Contracts

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Undisclosed #1
Jul 13, 2020

** ****** **** *********** **** * choice: *********** ** **********-****** ****,******* *********/*****/****** ********. *** *** ***'* have ****.

***** **** ****** ***** * *** extreme ** **** ******, * ** not ***** ****** ****** ** *** that ****** *** ***** ** ** at **** *****.

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UD
Undisclosed Distributor #2
Jul 13, 2020

*** **** *** **** **** ****** a ******* **** *** ** * global *****.

** ** **** **** *** ** Dahua ******* *** ** **** **** still ** ********* **** ********* ********** contracts ** *** ** ?

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Charles Rollet
Jul 14, 2020

** ** ***** ** *** ****, there ** ***** ** ***** ********** of **** "****" ***** ** ** don't **** ** ****** ******* * banned ******* *********** "***". ("***********" ** a ****** ******* ****** ** ********** "covered ********" ******* ** *********, *******).

*******, ***** ** ** ************** ********* in *** ***, ** ** *****'* matter ** ***** ** * ******* product ** ** *** ** ** outside, ************ ** ***** ** *** table.

** *** "****" ********, ** **** probably *** **** ******* **** *** final **** ** ****** ***** *** 60 *** ****** ******* ******.

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Undisclosed #3
Jul 13, 2020
IPVMU Certified

*** ******** **** ******** ** ********* for "********" *** "*******" ************ ***** with ********* **** "****** ***** ** redirect **** **** *******":

*** *** **** ********, *******, **** this **** *** ***** ** ***********:

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**** ********** *** ******** **** ** integrator *** **** ***** ****** ********* products *** ****** ** ****** ** blacklisted ******* *** ********* "****** ***** or ******** **** **** *******".******** *****.

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********* ** ***** ***** ** **** to **** ***** ** (*), ***** if ** ******* ** (*) ** well, ***** ** ************ ****** **** such ********* ***** ** ********.

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Charles Rollet
Jul 14, 2020

****** *** ******* ****! ***'** *****, it *** ** *******. * ********* the *******:

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U
Undisclosed #3
Jul 14, 2020
IPVMU Certified

****** *** ******* ****! ***'** *****, it *** ** *******.

********, ** ****** *******, *'* ******** wrong!

* ****, ***** ***** ** **** parallel ******** ***** *** ***** *** Analog ** *** ** ** **********, but ** **** ******** *'* ******** you're ***** ******* ****** *** ***** an *** ********(***) **** **** ******* equip, **** ** *** ***** *** buy ** ********:

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**** * ****!

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UI
Undisclosed Integrator #4
Jul 13, 2020

*** ***** **** ***** ** ********* like ********* (*******) ** ***** **** have ***** ******** ** ***** ******* lines ** **** ***? *** **** this ****** ***********/*********** *** **** ***** brands *** *** *** ***** ******* products? * ** *** ******* *** broadly ** ********* "** * **** of ***** ****** *****".

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Charles Rollet
Jul 14, 2020

** ** ***** **** ******* **#*, ***** ** ***** ** clear ********** ** **** "****" ***** so ** ***'* **** ** ****** selling * ****** ******* *********** "***". However, *** *** **** ** ***** that "***********" ** * ****** ******* is ********** "******* ********" ******* ** blacklist. ** *** "****" ********, ** will ******** *** **** ******* **** the ***** **** ** ****** ***** the ** *** ****** ******* ******.

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Charles Rollet
Jul 14, 2020

UPDATE: *** ********, ***** *****

************ ** *** ********* *** **** ** ****** * delay:

** **now ******* **** ******** ************** ** “**** *” ** Section *** ***** *** ******** ******* Authorization *** (****) ** **** –must ** *******[emphasis added]

(* ***** ** ***** ******** ** the ** ******** ******** ***************** ** ******* *** ******* (*-**) which ****** ************** ** ****** ****.)

*** ********** *** *** **** *** not ********** *** ********** ** "****":

**** * **** ******** **** *********** with * ******** **** “****” *** covered ********* ** *******.This **** ** *** ******* ******* ** *** ** **********, yet contractors must certify compliance beginning August 13, 2020. [emphasis added]

*** **** ******* ** *** ********* cost ** *** **********:

*** ******* ********** ********* **** ** will **** *********** **** ***** $** billion ** ***** ********* **** *********** on *** *** ** ******* ******* telecommunications *** ***** ************ *********

******* ** ****** ****, *** ********** *******"***** *****" *********, $** ******* *** $89 *******. (***** **** ******* *** largely *** ** *** ****** ** the **** ** *** ******* ******** rather **** ***** ************).

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Charles Rollet
Jul 14, 2020

**** ** ******* ** *******:

*** ********** *********3 ***** ** ********* is required for each Section 889 "representation" to the government for each federal contract:

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************ **** * ***** ********:

****** *** ************, ******** *** ****** of *** ******* ** *******, *** complete *** ********** ******** **********, ** applicable.

********* ***********, ********* ******** **** *******, gathering *** *********** *** **** ******, and ********** *** ********* *** ******

** *** **** ******** ** ***** on **** * *****, ********** ** the ****** ** ******** ********, ********** by *** ******* ****** ** ******* contract ********* **** * *-**** ******, multiplied ** * **** ** $**.** per ****:

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*** $**.** *** **** **** ** based ** ****** *** **********'* "**** 5" ***** ********** ******** ******:

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Charles Rollet
Jul 24, 2020

******:******* *** *******'****************** * *-**** ********* ****** ******** *** *** **** ******** ****** **** ****,******** **** ******.**** ***** *** **** ****** *** a ********** ***** ** *** ********* clause *** ******.

U
Undisclosed #5
Jul 14, 2020

***** ** *** ***** ****...

** **** ** "*********" ******* **** is * ******* ***** ********** ******. A ******* ******** ** ***** ********** and ***** ***** ************. * *** customer *** **** ********* ******* *** they ********* ***** **** ** ******* access ** ****. ***** ** ** this *********** "***". ******* ** *** this **** ***.

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UI
Undisclosed Integrator #6
Jul 14, 2020

***** *** *** **** ********** **** and **** ** ******** ******** **** by ********* *** *****. *** **** legally **** *** **********?

**** ***** *** *** ** ****** from ********** **** *** **** ** be ******* ** ********* *** *** most ***** **** *** ******** ******?

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John Honovich
Jul 14, 2020
IPVM

#*, ** **** ***** ** ****.

***** ** ****, * **** ** Bosch ******** **** ** *********. ***** are ***** ******** **** ** *****, as ** ********* ****:***** ******** *****

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UI
Undisclosed Integrator #6
Jul 14, 2020

*** *** ***** *** *** ** OEM, ********** **** ******* ** ******** to ******* ******. ******** ********* ** field?

UI
Undisclosed Integrator #6
Jul 14, 2020

** *** ********, *** ********** ****** ask ****** *** * **** ** all ******** **** *** ********* *** Huawei ************ **********.

**** *** * *** *** ********* if *** *******, ** **** “***” any ** ***** ******** ** ** can ****** **** **** “***”.

** ***** ** ***** *** *** hires ****, ***** **** ******’* **** the *** ******* ***** *** **” smart **** ****** ***** **** ** be ******** ** ** **** *** “use” ****.

*** *** ********* ** ******** *** refusing ** ******* ** ********** **********?

**** **** ***** *******? ***.

UI
Undisclosed Integrator #7
Jul 14, 2020

** * ******* ******* *** *********** connect ** ** ******* ***** *** it ******** ** *** & ****'* convenience ***** ***** *** **** *** the **** ******* ******* ** ********** a ********** ******** ** ***** * violation ** ********?

**** ** ** ******* ** ** cameras? ** ******* *** ** ****** or *** *** *** ****** ** to ** *** ****** *** **** someone *** ****** **** *** ****** get ****** ** ** **********? **** would *** ************* ** ** ******? I ********** ** *** ******* *** has ** ********* ** * ***, but ******?

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UM
Undisclosed Manufacturer #8
Jul 14, 2020

**** **** **** *********** **** *** paid ** ****** ******* ******** *** install ********* ************?

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U
Undisclosed #3
Jul 14, 2020
IPVMU Certified

**** ***** **** * **********'* *****: a **** ** ***** *** ***** it ***** ***** ** ******** ***********.

***** *** ***** ******* *** **** extreme ************** *** **'* **** ********** one ** ** ***** *** ** undefined, *** ********** **** *********** **** wide ******** ** *** ********* ***********.

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Andy Newbom
Jul 14, 2020
Arxys

*** ********** *** *** **** *** months ** **** *** *** **** compliance **** ******** ** ***** **** from * ******* **** ***** ** a ***** ***********, ** ***** *** education ***********. ** **** **** ******* hard ** *** **** **** **** of ***** *** ** **** ** deliver *** *** **** ********* *********. It's *** ****. ****** ****** *** complex *** **********.

** **** ** *** ***** **** is ******* **** ********* *** *** NDAA ********** *** ** ******* **** will ******. **** *** *** ***** it, *** *** ******* ** ******** it ** * ******* ********.

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UM
Undisclosed Manufacturer #9
Jul 15, 2020

*** ********** ** *** ********** ** deliver. **** ***. *** **** * is ********** ** *******, ***** ** oeming *** ** ***** ** *** thing, *** *** ****** **** ********* with *** ******* ********** *** ** certify **** **** ** *** *** and **** ** ***** ******* *** covered *******. ***** ***** **** ***’* use * ******* *******, ********, **********, any ******* ******* **** *** * HIK ** ***** ****** ********* ** it, *** ********** ** ************* **** installs *** ** *****, **** ****** any ****** ** *** **** **** have ******* ** ******* *********, **** a ********** ****, ** ********* *** cloud ******* ********. ** ***** *****-******** prime ********** **** ** **** ** certify ** **** *. **** * legislative ****** ** ******* *** ***** is ********* *** ******, ********** ***** the *** ***** $*** ***** **** cost *** ****** **** *********** ********* than ** ********. *** ****** ***** of **** * *** ********* *** needed ** ******* *** *******, ******* the ************** ***** *** **** ******.* predict **** * **** ****** ** Jan. * ** **** *** ************* scope ******* ** * ****** “****”. Or “****” **** * ********* “**** in *********** ** *** ********” *** subsequent **** **** *******.

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UI
Undisclosed Integrator #10
Jul 15, 2020

* **** ** ******* **** ******* these ******** *** *** ********* **** and ***** **** ** *** **** products **** ******* ** *****. * never ****** ** *** *********/***** *****. Over *** **** ** ***** ***** moving **** ** *** **** **** the ******** ******** * **** **** installing ** ***** ***** ************ *******. Cameras **** **** * ********* ******* were ********* **** *** **** ** years *** ****** **** *** **** on *** ***. **** *** ***** we **** ** ********* *** ******** with ******* ************* ***** ******** *************, Axis, *********, ********, *******, ******, ****, IQinvision ***.

** ******* ** *********** ********* ********* to ******* ********* ********** ********* ** stop ********* * ****** *** **** customers, ******* **** **** * ****** camera ** ******. *'* **** ** all **** ***** **** ** ******* that ******* ****** ** ********** ********* and *** *** *** *** ******* provider ***. ***** ******* *** **** had *********/***** *******.

** ** **** *** ***** ** we *** ******* ***** ******* ********** facilities, *** *** *** ** ***** opens **** ** ******* ******* ****** projects **** **** ***** ***** **** the ******* **********.

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UE
Undisclosed End User #11
Jul 15, 2020

**********, * ***** **** ** **** how **** *** ****** *** ********* system; ***** ********* **** **** * financial ******** ** ******** ** ****** money ** ********, **** *** **** government ******; *** ********* ******** *** Hikvision *******.

**** **** **** **** ***** **** their ***** * ******* ** ******* grants *** ********* *** **** ****** school ****? **** **, ***** **** are ******* ********** ** **** *** guidelines ** ** **?

** **** ** *** *** ****, the ****** ****** **** ** * snails **** (**** ***'* ****** **** pass * ***** ******** ** **-**** most ** *** **** *******), **** less ****** *** **** ** *** out ******** ** ***, ********* ** cameras, *** **** ** ***** "*********** viable" *** **** ** ** ** without **** **** ** ********.

******* *** ****** ****** *** *** use ** ******** ***** ** ****, or *** ****** ******* ** *********** over *** ******* ******* *******.

**** ****** ***** **** **'* **** tailored ** ******* ****** *********, ** not ***** ********* **.

JH
John Honovich
Jul 15, 2020
IPVM

**********, * ***** **** ** **** how **** *** ****** *** ********* system;

********* ** ********** ******** ****** *** by *** '*********' **** *** ** the ***** ******* **** **** *** use ** ******* ***** ******** ** August **, ****.

**** **** ** *** ****** *** debate ** ***** *** * ***** that ** **** ****.

AS
AJ Smith
Jul 16, 2020

*** ******* ****** *******, **** **** ban ****** ** *** *******, ************, & ****** ********* **** ** *****? Or **** ** ********* ************ ** those * *********? *** ***** **** Servers **** ******* **********, *** ******* or ******** ******** *** ******** *******.

****!

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Charles Rollet
Jul 17, 2020

** **, ****** *** **** ********. The *** **** ****** ***** ** equipment *** ******** **** ***** * companies: *********, *****, ******, *** ******. There ** ** ******* *** ** Chinese-made *********.

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Robert Shih
Jul 22, 2020
Independent

** ***** ****** ******** ******* *** a ****** ************** ** **** *** to ***** **** ***** ********** *** scrutinized? **** ******** *********** ** **** to *** **** ** ***** ************ and **** *** ***** **** **** items **** ********** *** **********?

JH
John Honovich
Jul 22, 2020
IPVM

**** ********, ******. **** **** ** have ****, ***** ** ******* ********* that ****** *********, ** ******* **** component, ** ********. *** *******, **** Uniview ** *** ******** ***-****** **** cameras *** **** *******.

U
Undisclosed #3
Jul 22, 2020
IPVMU Certified

*** *******, **** ******* ** *** offering ***-****** **** ******* *** **** purpose.

***** ****, ***** ***** ** ***** lot ** ****** *** *********** ** banned ******* *********, ** *** ****** to ** ** **** *** ******* unbanned ******* ************?

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Robert Shih
Jul 23, 2020
Independent

*** **** ** * ******** ** Axis ** ******* ****** ** **** with * ****** ********* ***. **** removal ** ******** ** **** ** be ******* ****?

U
Undisclosed #3
Jul 23, 2020
IPVMU Certified

**** ******* ** ******** ** **** it ** ******* ****?

*** ********* **?

U
Undisclosed #12
Jul 23, 2020

** **** ** **** *** *** stuff.

****-** ******** ****

****** **** ** **** **** **** photos *** ***** ***** *** *** money **** *** **** **** ** sending *** ********** *** ********** ** other *********.

U
Undisclosed #3
Jul 23, 2020
IPVMU Certified

***** ***** *** *** ***** **** has **** **** ** ******* *** technology *** ********** ** ***** *********.

*** **’* ********* * *** ** money - **** ** **** * new ** **** **** *** ***** set *** **** $**,*** (** *****’* $).

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** ** ***** **** **** *** manufacturing ** *** **, *** ********** the ***** *****, *** **** ********* people ** *** **, ******** *********** involved ** *** **** ** *** would **** **** *** ****** ***!

UE
Undisclosed End User #11
Jul 23, 2020

***'* ******, **** ***** **** * LOT **** **'* ** **** **** that **** ***** **** -- ****'* the ******* **** ***** ********* ** that ********* **** ***** *****, **** want **** *******, *** **** **** them ***... ****** ***** ** ***** if **** **** $*** ** ******** costed **** **** ** **** **** all ** * ******, **** ******* of ***** **** **** ** ** made.

U
Undisclosed #3
Jul 24, 2020
IPVMU Certified

***'* ******, **** ***** **** * LOT **** **'* ** **** **** that **** ***** ****...

***, **** *** ******** ** ***** :)

************* ** ***** ** ***’** **** of *** ******** ***** *********.

***, * ***** ********** **** *********** fixation **** *** “***** *********” **** China.

**** **** ** ***** (********), ** give **** ***** (*****).

** **** ** *** ******** *** equal ** ***** ** *** ***** paid *** ****, ***’* **** **** trade?

*** ***** **** ** ***** **** the ***** **** ***** ** *** expensive!

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Charles Rollet
Jul 30, 2020

******: *** *** *** ********* ************* *** ************** ** *** ********* clause, ****'* **** **********.

Existing ******** ********* **** ******* *** *** ****** *** ****** ****** ** ** ***** ****** **, ****.That means no leeway or loopholes for existing contracts.

*********** ******** *****, ** ********** **** FAR *.***(*), ******— ******** ********** ******** contracts ** ******* *** *** ****** for ****** ****** ** ** ***** August **, ****, ***** ** ******* any **** ******; *** ******** *********, task ******, *** ******** ****** ** include *** *** ****** ** ********* a ************ ** ****** *** ****** of ***********, ********* ********** ** ******, on ** ***** ****** **, ****

For ********* *********,No details on how much time that actually means, and "should" is only a recommendation (as opposed to "shall").

**** ********* * ************ ** ****** the ****** ** ***********, ********* ********** an ******, ** ** ***** ****** 13, ****, *********** ******** ***** ****** the ************** *** ****** ******* * sufficient ****** ** **** ** **** provide ****** *** ********** *** ****** and ** ******* *********** **** ******** time ** ****** **** *** ****** and ******* *** **************.

If * *********** ******* ****** * ********** ** ***** ****** ** ***** **************, *** ******* ***** "******* **** *** ******* ******" *** "***** *******". Not many details beyond this, but it's an indication the DoD is preparing for some contractors to file dishonest representations in order to keep their government business.

** ** ******* *** *********** “**** not” ** *** ************** ** ********* (d)(2) ** *** ********* ** *** 52.204-24, *** *********** ******* *** **** on *** **************, ****** *** *********** officer *** ** *********** ****** ** question *** **************. ** *** *********** officer *** ** *********** ****** ** question **** **************, *** *********** ******* shall ******* **** *** ******* ****** or ********* ******** *** ***** ******* on *** ** *******

System *** ***** ********** ***** *** *******.The SAM update should provide more details to the many questions contractors still have about the blacklist clause. However, this update is still in the works and DoD did not provide a specific timeline.

*** *** ******* ** ******* ** update *** ** ******* * ************** for *** *********** ** ***(*)(*)(*)

contracting ******* ***'* ********* ******* *** ********** ******** **** ******* *********/******** **** *** ***** ***** *** ** ****.

** *** *********** ******* ** ****** to **** * ************* [...] **** award ***** *** ** **** ** that ******* ****** * ****** ** granted.
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Charles Rollet
Jul 30, 2020

******:*** ** ******* * ********* ****** ** *** **** ******** can ****** ********* ****** ****** ***:

  • *** ** ******* * **** *** recorded ******* ******* **August **, **** *:** *.*. ***. Register****
  • **** ******* ** ********* ** ******* from ***'* ******** ***** *** **** explain *** **** *** ************ ******* 889 ** ***** ******** ******** *****
  • ********* **** **** ****** ********* **** have **** ***-********* **** ********
  • ****** **** ** **** ********* ** later **** *:** *.*. ***, ****** 5, **** **************@***.***.
UM
Undisclosed Manufacturer #13
Aug 05, 2020

*'* *** ***** ** *** *********** are ******** ** *** "***********/*******" ******. Does **** **** **** ** ********* providing * ******* ******** ** ****** products ** * ******** *** ** longer ** ******** **** *** *** Govt?

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